So is the Hyperion Wharf project dead?

flavious27

flavious27

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Kamikaze said:
Depends on how you judge. If you're going Worldwide gross, you're wrong, it isn't (simply because of ticket prices being so much higher.) It is also ahead of 'A Bug's Life' domestically. If you're talking number of tickets sold, the studios don't report that, so even though it is correct, there is no way to prove it.

Regardless, it is still the 118th (at the moment) highest grossing movie of all time. $440m is nothing to sneeze at. Disney made their money on it, and DVD/BD and merch sales only go on top of that.
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I'll tread lightly here about this. $440 million shouldn't be anything to sneeze at, but the production cost was $80 million more than the first one and it is still less worldwide than cars 1. Disney is going to scrap by with a little bit of profit for cars 2, like they did with tangled and tron. Home media sales will get disney a nice bit of profit, along with any extra merchandise sales.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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flavious27 said:
Disney is going to scrap by with a little bit of profit for cars 2, like they did with tangled and tron. Home media sales will get disney a nice bit of profit, along with any extra merchandise sales.
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Bob Iger summed it up nicely in his 3rd Quarter profits statement this week;

Cars 2 opened on June 24, and is on its way to earning well over $500 million in global box office. It remains one of the biggest and most important franchises at the Company. -Bob Iger
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The sales of DVD's and merchandise this Christmas will be huge. And then Cars Land opens at DCA in June, and the buzz on that will be like Potterland for the 4 to 10 year old set.
 
Kamikaze

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flavious27 said:
I'll tread lightly here about this. $440 shouldn't be anything to sneeze at, but the production cost was $80 million more than the first one and it is still less worldwide than cars 1. Disney is going to scrap by with a little bit of profit for cars 2, like they did with tangled and tron. Home media sales will get disney a nice bit of profit, along with any extra merchandise sales.
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The reported budget is $200m. They are at $440m. Thats a lot more than 'squeaking by'.
 
flavious27

flavious27

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Kamikaze said:
The reported budget is $200m. They are at $440m. Thats a lot more than 'squeaking by'.
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True, but that $443 million is just ticket sales, disney does not get all of that. As I said, I will tread lightly because disney isn't going to tell us how much revenue they will get and how they spent above the $200 million budget figure they released. There are different rules of thumb to how much they could be getting back, from 60% - 50% of ticket sales. On top of that, disney needs to spend money to print the movie and also advertise it. Disney's feature film division will see a profit from cars 2, but it won't be as much as they were expecting. This is the same thing that happened to Tron: Legacy and Tangled, they made some money at the box office but it is not as much as they were expecting.

TP2000 said:
Bob Iger summed it up nicely in his 3rd Quarter profits statement this week;



The sales of DVD's and merchandise this Christmas will be huge. And then Cars Land opens at DCA in June, and the buzz on that will be like Potterland for the 4 to 10 year old set.
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Cars Land will have the same buzz as potterland because disney actually spent the time and money to recreate radiator springs. I don't want to see tdo clone cl, but it would be nice if they are able to spend and produce a land that has the same level of detail to the source material. This could be a tron land with an exact replica of flynn's arcade and the end of line club, along with a lightcycle attraction that immerses the guests into the grid.
 
jt04

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Random Vids Inc said:
The Downtown Disney situation confuses me. Disney shutting down something that makes money!?! :lookaroun
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There is making money and then there is making money. It will make more sense in a year or two I think. In the meantime a construction trailer will soon arrive at DTD. Probably has something to do with construction. :D
 
juniorthomas

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TP2000 said:
Bob Iger summed it up nicely in his 3rd Quarter profits statement this week;



The sales of DVD's and merchandise this Christmas will be huge. And then Cars Land opens at DCA in June, and the buzz on that will be like Potterland for the 4 to 10 year old set.
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Agreed. Cars 2 may not have performed as well as TS3, but it is in no way underperforming. Pixar has a rather high standard, but even a weaker Pixar film does considerably better than nearly all animated films from any other studio.
 
juniorthomas

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Kamikaze said:
The reported budget is $200m. They are at $440m. Thats a lot more than 'squeaking by'.
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In the film industry, international gross isn't nearly as important as domestic gross. Usually when people combine domestic and international, it's due to one of the following things:

1) the film is close to the $1 billion mark, and adding the two gets them closer to it,
2) the picture is out of theaters and the studio is trying to puff it up for DVD sales,
3) the film is still in theaters and isn't doing as well, and the studio will take whatever PR help they can get - so they're trying to make the film sound bigger than it is, in an attempt to get people into the theater and bump up those numbers

Domestic gross is really important, prestige-wise to studios. It's a marketing/PR game. If you can't claim you're the biggest or the best, you aren't the biggest or the best, and you're left to spin whatever you can grab.
 
flavious27

flavious27

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juniorthomas said:
Agreed. Cars 2 may not have performed as well as TS3, but it is in no way underperforming. Pixar has a rather high standard, but even a weaker Pixar film does considerably better than nearly all animated films from any other studio.
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It is going to be awhile before an animated film will do as well as toy story 3.
 
Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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juniorthomas said:
In the film industry, international gross isn't nearly as important as domestic gross. Usually when people combine domestic and international, it's due to one of the following things:

1) the film is close to the $1 billion mark, and adding the two gets them closer to it,
2) the picture is out of theaters and the studio is trying to puff it up for DVD sales,
3) the film is still in theaters and isn't doing as well, and the studio will take whatever PR help they can get - so they're trying to make the film sound bigger than it is, in an attempt to get people into the theater and bump up those numbers

Domestic gross is really important, prestige-wise to studios. It's a marketing/PR game. If you can't claim you're the biggest or the best, you aren't the biggest or the best, and you're left to spin whatever you can grab.
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You'd be right if it was 3 years ago. Now whenever studios (or media) talk numbers, its the WW gross, because it is so much higher. For instance, the talk just this week about Potter and Transformers 3 breaking the $1b mark.
 
NoChesterHester

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Back on the subject of the thread, we are one week away from the D23 convention... any chance we will see an announcement regarding future plans for DYD?
 
RSoxNo1

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Ticket sales aren't even half of the revenue generated by Cars 2. The merchandise line is ridiculous and midway through next year it will get a bigger boost with Carsland.
 
Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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juniorthomas said:
In the film industry, international gross isn't nearly as important as domestic gross. Usually when people combine domestic and international, it's due to one of the following things:

1) the film is close to the $1 billion mark, and adding the two gets them closer to it,
2) the picture is out of theaters and the studio is trying to puff it up for DVD sales,
3) the film is still in theaters and isn't doing as well, and the studio will take whatever PR help they can get - so they're trying to make the film sound bigger than it is, in an attempt to get people into the theater and bump up those numbers

Domestic gross is really important, prestige-wise to studios. It's a marketing/PR game. If you can't claim you're the biggest or the best, you aren't the biggest or the best, and you're left to spin whatever you can grab.
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I think it really has to do with the way international releases can be so staggered sometimes. You're often not comparing apples to apples if you did international gross the weekend after the movie comes out domestically. It could have opened in some big countries a month ago, or two months from now. I think Harry Potter and Transformers both had international releases in many, many countries the same weekend as the domestic release. Rest assured, though, when enough time has passed and the company is discussing internally how much money a movie made, the international money spends just as well as the domestic.
 

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