Calmdownnow
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And have paid the required tip -- with an extra premium to pay for the bullets...Oh, sorry, not in the USA. Bullets only have to paid for if you are executed in the China park.
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Smoking areas GONE starting may 1st Pinned so people can still see the announcement.
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UncleMike101
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Billed to the family...with their magic bands and toilet information packet so they can pre plan their trip.
Phil12
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They don't need to "keep" any of your bio-metric data.
Tanna Eros
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haha, yes, some go power mad, don't they?
Tanna Eros
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But not a Keenz one.
Scorp 16, if I would opt for any disguise, I wouldn't do the Groucho, I'd do my best to look like Walt Disney. All these photos of him with a cigarette makes it seem like he'd have a little bit more leeway than a Marx brother.
Tanna Eros
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Thanks for the idea of Make a Wish.
To be honest, my husband has been dropping hints of other vacation spots as well.
I'm sorry that it wasn't possible for you to take your trip, I can understand, though. You weren't given enough time to allow for any game plan, and it seems that the corporation didn't have a game plan, either.
Thanks for the idea of Make a Wish.
To be honest, my husband has been dropping hints of other vacation spots as well.
Help me out with the math here or am I crazy? 20 minutes a day would be 100 minutes a week (20 minutes X 5 days). There are 52 weeks in year. That would be 5200 minutes (52 weeks X 100 minutes). There are 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day, so a day contains 1440 minutes (60 minutes X 24 hours). If I divide 5200 minutes by 1440 minutes, I get 3.6 not 20. Is my math bad?
I've been on this board off and on since around 2005, and I have no idea what this means.
BoarderPhreak
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The general consensus is that there are 260 work days per year (in the USA) not including holidays/vacation. Let's assume 10 holidays and 10 vacation days (two weeks vacation).
20m x 240d = 4,800m. 4,800m / 60m = 80h or 3.33d. So... Nope.
Even if you smoked every day for 20m you'd still only come out to 5.07d.
People CLEARLY smoke like chimneys on the weekends, holidays and vacations.
Castle Cake Apologist
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Huh? I did, though... You asked why people wouldn't just inhale shower steam and I provided the two primary reasons.
Pointless back and forth really, wasn't trying to start anything.
BoarderPhreak
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Something doesn't jive. The wind was NNW at 15mph at 5:30pm. Going by your photo, you were standing approximately where the "D" is in the photo, facing the smokers. Basically, the light breeze would've blown the smoke away from both The Land and Nemo, towards the bathrooms(ish).
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donaldtoo
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Hey!!! That’s Walt with Herman “Kay” Kamen, the first Disney merchandising legend...!!!
Lensman
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I think the key thing wrong with both these calculations is that when you convert the total break minutes back into work days, you're both using a 24 hour workday while we really need to use an 8 hour work day or whatever the standard work day is. So an 8 hour work day is a 480 minute work day. So in @Bullseye1967's calculation that's 5200 / 480 = 11 work days. In @BoarderPhreak's calculation that's 4800 / 480 = 10 work days. In both cases we're still off by a factor of 2 but it's much closer.The general consensus is that there are 260 work days per year (in the USA) not including holidays/vacation. Let's assume 10 holidays and 10 vacation days (two weeks vacation).
20m x 240d = 4,800m. 4,800m / 60m = 80h or 3.33d. So... Nope.
Even if you smoked every day for 20m you'd still only come out to 5.07d.
People CLEARLY smoke like chimneys on the weekends, holidays and vacations.
I dug deeper and the original study was misquoted, I think. I found this page that says:
But even those figures in the article don't entirely line up unless you assume working 30 days a month and use 24 hours for the translation into a day, which I think is incorrect since the average worker doesn't work30 days a month and 24 hours a day. Sloppy.
If we do assume that the hour and 20 minutes a day is accurate, that ends up being about 40 work days lost a year. This in intuitively correct because an hour and 20 minutes a day is about 17% of the work day and 40 work days a year is about 17% of the work year. I can't speak to their survey methodology but here it is from: https://www.halocigs.com/labs/trading-in-smoke-breaks/
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DisneyDebRob
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And the number of vapors sky rockets. Your logic is wrong. Since vaping is listed by the US government as a “tobacco product “ which is clearly wrong according to every scientist and anyone with common sense you have to include them in your summation. ( They we’re losing to much tax money to people quitting smoking so decided not that long ago to put vaping in that category to collect their lost funds).
Amazes me how the government preaches about quitting and to improve your health, people listen, then they institute a high tax because they never had the foresight to know where their lost revenue will now come from.
Global Vapor Products Market Outlook and Forecast 2018-2023: Market and is Expected to Cross $43 Billion by 2023
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PorterRedkey
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Then why did this go I to effect now?
Could it be because the new Florida governor just allowed the use of medical marijuana, a law previously blocked by Gov. Scott? It literally happened 3 days before the ban went into effect.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I think they’re just pushing smokers out for appearances to reinforce their economic interests.
I’m sure MJ has something to do with it...but not the prime directive
I'm not sure that MJ doesn't have more to do with it. Right now, tobacco smoking is illegal in certain places, but otherwise it's up to a property owner setting rules. It is not illegal for those over a certain age to possess or smoke in designated areas - only if you violate the rules will you be asked to leave, and you have no legal recourse. The owner cannot have you arrested for violating an owner imposed rule unless you refuse to abide it.
However, MJ IS illegal unless you have a medical license to use it - which is a different conversation; I'm already seeing ads for "Get Your Medical License Here!" .
How would a CM know if you are legally using it? He/she would have to ask to see your license. A CM selling alcohol can control sales - no license showing you can legally purchase it, no sale, but they have no control over the sale and use of MJ, so would have to go around each smoking area asking for licenses. If no license, security would have to be notified as the guest would be breaking the law - not just a park rule.
Wouldn't it be much easier for WDW to have smokers right next to security so a CM would not have to wait to resolve the issue? And would someone who is breaking the law hang around until security/police show up?
PorterRedkey
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I have to disagree. Disney knew smoking was bad for years and years. It wasn’t until medical marijuana was allowed that this action went into action.
As far as an economic incentive, I think more smokers will just not go or go as often, not all smokers, but let’s say 10%.
MK has 20.45 million guests in 2017. Take the 10% of the guest as smokers (2.45 mil) and say 10% of the smokers decide not to visit because of the ban. That’s 245,000 fewer guests spending money at MK, not including the smokers who do this at the other parks.
I do hope that it will improve the appearance of the park, but if people are smoking anyplace they don’t see a cast member, it might be worse. At least before it was mainly confined to the designated areas.
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