Smoking areas GONE starting may 1st Pinned so people can still see the announcement.

[BoarderPhreak]

Strike one and you're done - on page 71.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Then strike one and your out of the park. Simple

I hear ya. And I don't disagree - that to get any traction on this, they need to enforce some type of penalty. But it doesn't appear they are willing to go that far.

A one-strike policy is a really bad optic. There will be those that honestly didn't know. Think of how many International guests go to the parks and come from places where smoking is more widely accepted. You don't necessarily want to start having that kind of press where you've kicked out a European or Latin American guest who has just spent a small fortune on their vacation - because they lit up a cig.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Because SCIENCE. The circle is 100m diameter... 50m radius.

 

[draybook]

Just for reference, Google Maps has the closest point of the smoking area only 30 yards from the Land stroller area and 42 yards from the Nemo stroller area.

 

[tallica]

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You missed his point it has nothing to do will his shooting skills, it has everything to do with his ability trough experience to judge distance

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Doesn't matter if it's 25' away or right next to the door - Florida has never had law against smoking outside public buildings. WDW, bring private property, has its own unique rules (not laws) about where you can smoke. Disney can declare anything outside game for smoking - or ban it completely. The only actual Florida laws applicable govern interior spaces only (see also: Florida Clean Indoor Air Act).

So honestly, putting the smoking areas where they are, are perfectly legal - decided upon by Disney's whim alone. They don't NEED to do anything for anyone.

 

[Calmdownnow]

Just for reference, Google Maps has the closest point of the smoking area only 30 yards from the Land stroller area and 42 yards from the Nemo stroller area.

Are you suggesting the stroller parks are badly located? That seems to be the inference if they are located closer to a designated smoking area than they are to the attraction they serve. have you thought about asking Disney to locate them closer to the attraction?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Just thinking out loud here - but I think come May 1st there will be smoking patrols (or something to the effect of). I'd expect Disney to make a concentrated effort to have CM's "on the lookout for" smokers during the roll-out period.

Six months later it may very well be the wild wild west. Self policing is not going to go well. Imagine a cranky, grumpy, and irritated individual gets to the point where they say "Screw it, there's nobody around, I'm lighting up a cig" - only to be approached a moment later by another guest saying "excuse me, you can't smoke here".........something tells me - that dialogue is not going to lead to a productive exchange.

 

[draybook]

It simply means that I am well-versed in measurements and distances. Nothing machismo about it.

You argued with me that the smoking sections were isolated, I gave photographic evidence to the contrary. You said they were 100 yards away, I dispelled that one too. I don't know if you're just expecting me to give in to you because you're my elder but it's your choice if you want to go 0-3 with me. You might not like my attitude but you can't deny the photo and data.

 

[draybook]

Are you suggesting the stroller parks are badly located? That seems to be the inference if they are located closer to a designated smoking area than they are to the attraction they serve. have you thought about asking Disney to locate them closer to the attraction?

Considering that that spot wasn't the original smoking location...

It used to be across from the popcorn cart closer to Figment.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I have a new theory...

Disney is trying to be clever about people not smoking weed in the parks under the guise of banning smoking altogether.

Disney, back in 2017 quietly updated a list of items barred from the property to include marijuana. This was ahead of the pending legalization for medical use, which just recently went into law. Now... I'm guessing their legal team told them they couldn't do that (since it's medical). So instead, ban smoking in the parks altogether. If people want/need to smoke their nicotine/marijuana - let 'em do it outside the gate.

Look at the wording of their park rules carefully. "Smoking of marijuana or other illegal substances is not permitted at any time." Well, marijuana is no longer illegal (medicinally). This statement is cleverly hazy. Disney can't tell you not to medicate, and this suggests it's illegal. Recreationally, it is. A few sentences later and you get "...the smoking of tobacco, e-cigarettes or other products that produce a vapor or smoke is allowed in designated areas..." Umm - what else produces vapor or smoke? I'm sure they're not talking about a meth pipe.

The moral of the story is you can smoke and toke all you want outside the parks; just make sure you have your card for the latter.

 

[draybook]

I've no idea where Disney has placed the stroller park for NEMO, but the map i'm looking at shows the smoking area is 100 meters from the NEMO entrance and I am assuming that the stroller park is close to the entrance of the attraction. So who knows the actual yardage. From memory, I do believe that the smoking area is about 20-30 paces from any main walking path. Could it be in a more isolated place, yes of course. Could it be better screened, yes but Disney so far has not done a great job of landscaping any of future world, or of screening any of the stroller parks so they are protected from the sun, rain, and wind. And whether you believe me or not, I think providing the right location and facilities for people with children and smokers should be equal priorities for Disney as all are customers. Call me old-fashioned, but I remember when the core of a successful business plan for a leisure industry was an ethos aimed at meeting and surpassing the needs and expectations of their customers.

Well, if the number of smokers is declining, seems that they are meeting those needs. As the number of smokers declines, so do the smoking locations. Easy peasy.

 

[Phil12]

What if I don't have my band? What if: "My wife is clear across on the other side of the park. I left my wallet and band with her, because Photopass is tied to my band and she wanted to do some shopping and needed my wallet, sorry. We're meeting up in 2 hours at Disney Springs. Here I'll give you my name, it's Smith, John Smith."

Will the CM follow me in a "hunt" for my MB for an hour or so? Or will they just tell me to put it out.

Security will ID you via their facial recognition software.

 

[Calmdownnow]

It simply means that I am well-versed in measurements and distances. Nothing machismo about it.

You argued with me that the smoking sections were isolated, I gave photographic evidence to the contrary. You said they were 100 yards away, I dispelled that one too. I don't know if you're just expecting me to give in to you because you're my elder but it's your choice if you want to go 0-3 with me. You might not like my attitude but you can't deny the photo and data.

Many designated smoking areas are isolated, and smokers would not have a problem if all of them were. Indeed, I have repeatedly emphasized that point in contributions to this forum.

I do think that you, and others on this thread, have deliberately over emphasized their personal "hurt" from smoking on site in order to attack those customers who do smoke. So yes, I do not like your attitude. I find it to be be based on unjustified anger at people you do not know and who have little real impact on your overall enjoyment of your vacation. It is mean spirited and is not aimed at improving the experience of everyone who vacations at WDW.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Hey you, on page 72 - no smoking in my zoo!

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Security will ID you via their facial recognition software.

Well they do already have my fingerprint but they ”say” that’s only to tie it to my band/card - and supposedly it’s discarded immediately. So if true, I’d think my fingerprint would be useless to them without the band (card)

Once Disney starts making me pose for photos or has the facial recognition warning posted - I’ll start using this:

 

[UncleMike101]

If caught, scan the Magic band for their information. Three strikes and ban them from the parks. That would get some attention.

If they can’t beat their addiction and don’t want to follow Disney policy, they can always choose to go somewhere else.

Then strike one and your out of the park. Simple

Why not simply execute the miscreants?
That's quicker, easier, and will serve as an example to other scofflaws.
Why waste the resources and precious work time of the CM's?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Why not simply execute the miscreants?

Will they give us a cigarette along with the blindfold?

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Will they give us a cigarette along with the blindfold?

And a last meal (provided you have a Dining Plan).

 

[celluloid]

And a last meal (provided you have a Dining Plan).

It will be to go as you pull it behind you in a wagon.