Smoking areas GONE starting may 1st Pinned so people can still see the announcement.

[DisneyGigi]

They can't kill the festivals. Besides making a ton of coin, they're carrying Epcot these days.

Think about it; they're running three festivals, back-to-back, year in, year out.

They probably just did a little bit lol

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

May I ask, are there baby care centers in different locations throughout the park? Or just at the front of the park?

There’s one in each park, typically next to first aid. DHS it’s off guest relations. MK it’s by the Casey’s bathrooms (I consider those 2 “front of the park.” Epcot is next to First aid by the Odyssey bathrooms and AK was next to First Aid. It took some planning once we got a feeling for what they were to make it back throughout the day. She wouldn’t take a bottle unless we were in one (since they’re a bit quieter), so we quickly got a new “flow” for our days to work around it.

 

[UncleMike101]

I have a friend who is a lawyer. Over dinner, he suggested that perhaps they were 'upping the tier' of their tiered entertainment, adding a tier on the top of the pile for the uberrich, and subtracting the working class slob tier at the bottom.

Your lawyer friend is very astute.
All of the new procedures carry the possibility that a given number of people will forego their Disney vacation because they feel put upon.
Especially smokers who have an actual need to partake regularly.
I've seen members within this thread revel in the fact that some people may not visit the World because of the new procedures and some have actually told those affected to stay away.
It appears that Disney is guiding certain people away from the parks, likely to placate the guests who have more money than humanity and would prefer to not have the parks sullied by undesirables.
I'll be the first to say that smoking is a nasty, filthy, obnoxious, thing to do but as one who was formerly addicted to it I have to empathize with those who haven't had the incentive to stop smoking yet and I'll not fault them for wanting to experience WDW in spite of their "vice".
(Grandma always referred to smoking as a vice, as though doing it condemned one to Hades.)

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

It appears that Disney is guiding certain people away from the parks, likely to placate the guests who have more money than humanity and would prefer to not have the parks sullied by undesirables.

You’ve got to be kidding with this dramatic statement. Most people on this thread empathize and understand smokers may find it challenging to adjust, while simultaneously being glad there’s less second hand smoke on the horizon.

That sounds pretty darn fair considering that “vice” literally makes other people sick. The “I’m being persecuted” argument is really ridiculous. Undesirables? Please

 

[BoarderPhreak]

If they're trying to ditch the undesirables, surely the drunks qualify. As has been pointed out, drinkers make Disney money - smokers don't.

If they start nixing the booze, you'll have your answer... Disney is shaping their guests.

 

[UncleMike101]

You’ve got to be kidding with this dramatic statement. Most people on this thread empathize and understand smokers may find it challenging to adjust, while simultaneously being glad there’s less second hand smoke on the horizon.

That sounds pretty darn fair considering that “vice” literally makes other people sick. The “I’m being persecuted” argument is really ridiculous. Undesirables? Please

Sorry you don't like my observations.
And I don't make statements for drama's sake.
Also, perhaps if you'd investigate the chemicals released by the ton each year in Disneys fireworks displays you'd realize the abject stupidity on Disneys part by claiming that moving smokers beyond the entrance is in the interest of the guests health.
I've been involved with many people who refer to anyone under their income level, or who hold beliefs that are different, as undesirable.
I've seen quite a lot of that mentality over the years and it never sits well with me.

 

[UncleMike101]

If they're trying to ditch the undesirables, surely the drunks qualify. As has been pointed out, drinkers make Disney money - smokers don't.

If they start nixing the booze, you'll have your answer... Disney is shaping their guests.

Exactly.............

 

[Tanna Eros]

There’s one in each park, typically next to first aid. DHS it’s off guest relations. MK it’s by the Casey’s bathrooms (I consider those 2 “front of the park.” Epcot is next to First aid by the Odyssey bathrooms and AK was next to First Aid. It took some planning once we got a feeling for what they were to make it back throughout the day. She wouldn’t take a bottle unless we were in one (since they’re a bit quieter), so we quickly got a new “flow” for our days to work around it.

Thank you. I think the 'flow' will also help with the topic of this thread. Once people get into a particular pattern, they'll be able to work it.

I didn't think about changing tables in the bathrooms until someone reminded me-
but looking at the baby care centers online, it's a bit of a full service station and not a quick change station.
I can definitely see the need for a quieter place, and all the facilities they have, but I was afraid at first that there was only ONE place to tend to your kids, i.e., change them.
That would be worse than just one smoking section, even if the smoking section were outside the gate.

 

[MaryJaneP]

We were always told that "want" is different than "need", "than" is a comparison term and that "then" is a term that is used to designate time. But what do we know?

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

Thank you. I think the 'flow' will also help with the topic of this thread. Once people get into a particular pattern, they'll be able to work it.

I didn't think about changing tables in the bathrooms until someone reminded me-
but looking at the baby care centers online, it's a bit of a full service station and not a quick change station.
I can definitely see the need for a quieter place, and all the facilities they have, but I was afraid at first that there was only ONE place to tend to your kids, i.e., change them.
That would be worse than just one smoking section, even if the smoking section were outside the gate.

Oh my gosh that would be horrifying! Thankfully, no, and I used changing tables a few times. It was my first time traveling with a little one, though, so the baby care centers were so wonderful!

 

[Tanna Eros]

Your lawyer friend is very astute.
All of the new procedures carry the possibility that a given number of people will forego their Disney vacation because they feel put upon.
Especially smokers who have an actual need to partake regularly.
I've seen members within this thread revel in the fact that some people may not visit the World because of the new procedures and some have actually told those affected to stay away.
It appears that Disney is guiding certain people away from the parks, likely to placate the guests who have more money than humanity and would prefer to not have the parks sullied by undesirables.
I'll be the first to say that smoking is a nasty, filthy, obnoxious, thing to do but as one who was formerly addicted to it I have to empathize with those who haven't had the incentive to stop smoking yet and I'll not fault them for wanting to experience WDW in spite of their "vice".
(Grandma always referred to smoking as a vice, as though doing it condemned one to Hades.)

That was my friend's viewpoint, but more in legalese.

I'm Traveller on my mother's side, I understand the 'undesirable' factor, and that there are those that gleeful when one 'lesser' than they gets hurt. That's on them, not me. I don't have a 'lesser' scale built in.
So many stores I've had a manager follow right behind me, to make sure I didn't steal anything, being very obvious. I never had any intention to steal anything, never did steal anything, but it made her feel good to make the heathen feel unwelcome in her store.
But that's all she had; her tiny power of her tiny store, and it wasn't even hers, she was just the manager.
So in the end, I do feel bad for the revelers.

My childhood trip to Disney World changed my life, I'm not being dramatic, I'm being honest.
They were all so nice to me. I wanted to be that- not work at the park- I wanted to be that person that made people feel good, despite their station. In deciding on this trip, that was selling point to my husband; not the rides, the shows, but 'they are all so nice."
I hope this is still true.

I can see easy solutions for myself concerning this new smoking rule, and still keep my personal freedom. This is not a hard problem for me. My vacation is a way off, (And I've learned from KatieBug101 to PLAN WELL.) and I have confidence I'll have it aced.
I feel bad for the smokers that have reservations now, and must deal with a new rule they plan on. They must scramble for solutions that I'll find at my leisure.

 

[TestTrack99]

THANK GOD FOR THIS!!!! I don't know why anyone could enjoy something like smoking. It smells HORRIBLE and is extremely bad for your health!

 

[Gitson Shiggles]

I don't know why anyone could enjoy something like smoking.

Dopamine

 

[LittleBuford]

Dopamine

Dopey's mine:

 

[The Mom]

Plenty of people on other continents go in private too.

Sorry _ I didn't want to have to start listing specific countries/continents. We all know (or should know) that major cities, regardless of where they're located, have restrooms. In some countries, they become harder to find (or are not what the typical US resident is used to seeing) when you venture out into the rural areas. Just saw a photo of a public urinal in Amsterdam - and I do mean public, although I anticipate all bars, restaurants, homes, etc have restrooms.. Also passed a public one in Lisbon while walking around - but again, lots of restrooms in bars, restaurants, etc. That facility at the monastary in Meteora, Greece was also pretty public. Fortunately, there was a private facility a few minutes away.

 

[DisneyJayL]

I also agree.and I vape. Believe it or not people, 99 % of smokers or vapors follow the rules.

I know, but nobody calls out the ones that don;t. That’s a problem.

 

[larryz]

I don't know... I'd say it can cause medical problems for others. Some smokers can get pretty ornery when they're jonesin' hard.

It's not going to kill you like a bad case of impacted faecal matter might... no matter where in your body you may find it.

 

[NormC]

I think all the smokers are contributing to global warming along with my wife and her 45 minute hot showers. All that hot water goes down the drain and heats up the planet.

 

[Lensman]

It appears that Disney is guiding certain people away from the parks, likely to placate the guests who have more money than humanity and would prefer to not have the parks sullied by undesirables.

Sorry you don't like my observations.
And I don't make statements for drama's sake.

So is your point that you think Disney is making their parks "smoke-free zones" as a marketing maneuver to be more attractive to inhumane rich people? I tend to think that your inhumane rich people aspect is overstated and that it's merely non-smokers, but perhaps wealthy non-smokers who Disney may be targeting here. I think that @Sirwalterraleigh raised this potential point about 30 pages ago.

What clued me in specifically was their use of the term "smoke-free zone" in their publicity about this new policy. Just as we should have focused on the use of the term "loose ice" over on the loose ice thread. If they meant "ice cubes", they would have said "ice cubes". Instead, they said "loose ice" (like loose morals, speaking of vice, lol).

Anyway, perhaps we could discuss their use of "smoke-free zone" in marketing materials?

BTW, it's not that people don't like your actual observations, it's just that those observations are surrounded by overly dramatic statements that you're making for who-knows what purpose if not for drama's sake, lol! Also note that by adding dramatics into your statements you're actually obscuring your actual observations and forcing people to focus on the judgmental aspect of your statement rather than the actual discussable observations and theories on TWDC motivation.

Anyway, back to the point, let's discuss the merits rather than continue to focus on the lack of journalism. Apologies

 

[Tanna Eros]

So is your point that you think Disney is making their parks "smoke-free zones" as a marketing maneuver to be more attractive to inhumane rich people? I tend to think that your inhumane rich people aspect is overstated and that it's merely non-smokers, but perhaps wealthy non-smokers who Disney may be targeting here. I think that @Sirwalterraleigh raised this potential point about 30 pages ago.

What clued me in specifically was their use of the term "smoke-free zone" in their publicity about this new policy. Just as we should have focused on the use of the term "loose ice" over on the loose ice thread. If they meant "ice cubes", they would have said "ice cubes". Instead, they said "loose ice" (like loose morals, speaking of vice, lol).

Anyway, perhaps we could discuss their use of "smoke-free zone" in marketing materials?

BTW, it's not that people don't like your actual observations, it's just that those observations are surrounded by overly dramatic statements that you're making for who-knows what purpose if not for drama's sake, lol! Also note that by adding dramatics into your statements you're actually obscuring your actual observations and forcing people to focus on the judgmental aspect of your statement rather than the actual discussable observations and theories on TWDC motivation.

Anyway, back to the point, let's discuss the merits rather than continue to focus on the lack of journalism. Apologies

To be fair, it was I that brought up a conversation with a lawyer friend and wrote about the experience tier shifting upwards.