Sightlines are being destroyed everywhere

Vegas Disney Fan

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Looking at these two photos from similar angles you can see what I expect once they replace the single row of trees that were once beside the train tracks
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. Will it be 100% hidden? I’m not sure but it’ll look infinitely better than it does today.
 

lazyboy97o

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Once construction is over and all the heavy machinery is moved out there will be plenty of room between the buildings and the retention pond and plenty of room in the front corner between the building and bathrooms/lockers.

Usually they only paint something blue if they think it’ll be visible from inside the park and they’re trying to make it disappear, the fact they didn’t indicates to me they don’t think it’ll be visible once the landscaping is installed so they just continued with the same panels they were using for the sides visible from outside the park.

Again, time will tell, we’re judging a project before it’s done. If they do nothing I’ll be just as disappointed as others, I just know in the past they’ve done wonders with landscaping so I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until they finish.

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What other purely backstage buildings have colored patterns on them?

What you highlight in your image is pretty much all shown as asphalt in the water management plans. And while you can build less impervious surfaces the building still needs things like emergency egress and access which would require a lot of that space.
 

The Empress Lilly

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Well, it was those coaster fans that continuously clambered for more coasters that required some degree of height to them. If the building bothers people they should ask themselves what alternatives there are. The water table in Florida is about 4 feet and since the demand is for things that are 30 or more feet high there really is no place to put it other then above ground. You cannot have both unless the area lends itself to easily being hidden. Soarin' was one of he buildings that had to be in plan sight if we decide it is more important to look up instead of concentrating on eye level. When it was first built I did indeed notice the building but haven't actually noticed the building for past 16 years. Enjoy the attraction and stop being so retentive about the things that are required to create your fantasies. When one level omni-movers were the thing, it was much easier to hide the show building. If you want coasters then something has got to give.
No, no.

The Horizons Omnimax screens (it had three) were even bigger yet than Soarin''s. And yet they weren't placed in a go-away sky-blue backstage box ruining sightlines regardless.

Instead, they were placed in a gorgeous pavilion that could be admired from any vantage point, even backstage.


As for coasters, before bare steel track with excuses...oops, sorry, 'backstory' became acceptable, Disney built mountain ranges.
 

Goofyernmost

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No, no.

The Horizons Omnimax screens (it had three) were even bigger yet than Soarin''s. And yet they weren't placed in a go-away sky-blue backstage box ruining sightlines regardless.

Instead, they were placed in a gorgeous pavilion that could be admired from any vantage point, even backstage.


As for coasters, before bare steel track with excuses...oops, sorry, 'backstory' became acceptable, Disney built mountain ranges.
That's because either the facade of Horizons was larger then the show building which was behind it or the show building was low enough to be hidden. Besides that the Omni-max screens were not as high as the lift setup at Soarin which' was much larger to enable it to be above the screen looking down unlike Horizon which was viewed from ground level. The need for height is what requires a larger building to house it. That along with the demand for "longer" more elaborate rides just plain requires more space. Since Florida is essentially flat and they cannot go underground after the original design is built and established then you get a building with go away ski blue box. Can sometime we understand the physical reality required to give you your fantasies. Unlike other parks in the world you are looking at a partially camouflaged building and not an ugly track structure. I don't really know why I defend it all since I don't like coasters anyway, but I also hate to constantly hear people complain about sight lines that we are not supposed to be looking at to begin with but also ignoring the Physical realities that are needed to create our fantasies. I'm the one that should be upset because they ruin my "sightline" and I get no benefit at all from it. The rest of you at least get a fun ride.

I know what you are going to say, Toy Story Land which people seem to not understand is that coaster is supposed to be a toy coaster left outside in the backyard and we are supposed to be toy sized.
 
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lazyboy97o

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That's because either the facade of Horizons was larger then the show building which was behind it or the show building was low enough to be hidden. Besides that the Omni-max screens were not as high as the lift setup at Soarin which' was much larger to enable it to be above the screen looking down unlike Horizon which was viewed from ground level. The need for height is what requires a larger building to house it. That along with the demand for "longer" more elaborate rides just plain requires more space. Since Florida is essentially flat and they cannot go underground after the original design is built and established then you get a building with go away ski blue box. Can sometime we understand the physical reality required to give you your fantasies. Unlike other parks in the world you are looking at a partially camouflaged building and not an ugly track structure. I don't really know why I defend it all since I don't like coasters anyway, but I also hate to constantly hear people complain about sight lines that we are not supposed to be looking at to begin with but also ignoring the Physical realities that are needed to create our fantasies. I'm the one that should be upset because they ruin my "sightline" and I get no benefit at all from it. The rest of you at least get a fun ride.

I know what you are going to say, Toy Story Land which people seem to not understand is that coaster is supposed to be a toy coaster left outside in the backyard and we are supposed to be toy sized.
Horizons didn’t have a facade. The whole entire show building was visible.

Reality is that you absolutely can go down in Florida. TRON has a basement level.
 

tanc

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I'm interested in how this will work with Tokyo Disney Sea and the Fantasy Springs expansion. I wonder if they are going to take sightlines into consideration or not.
 

Goofyernmost

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Horizons didn’t have a facade. The whole entire show building was visible.

Reality is that you absolutely can go down in Florida. TRON has a basement level.
Nice rhetoric but you know that there is a limit to just how far they can go without creating massive expense that would prompt them saying scrap that idea and then just put in another Buzz Lightyear. Spin it anyway you want, but it still is an improvement over what was there and the minor notice of a building is such a none important part of it that is isn't really worthy of all this angst. Plus I'd like to know exactly what sightline it is hiding.
 

lazyboy97o

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Nice rhetoric but you know that there is a limit to just how far they can go without creating massive expense that would prompt them saying scrap that idea and then just put in another Buzz Lightyear. Spin it anyway you want, but it still is an improvement over what was there and the minor notice of a building is such a none important part of it that is isn't really worthy of all this angst.
You’re the one declaring it impossible. That’s not true. Even the expense is dependent on the specifics of a site. You say you don’t care and yet you keep going on, so you care about something.
 

Goofyernmost

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You’re the one declaring it impossible. That’s not true. Even the expense is dependent on the specifics of a site. You say you don’t care and yet you keep going on, so you care about something.
Why is it a factor whether my shorts are in a knot or not? I have an opinion and I am expressing it. You yourself keep making statements about the physical ground and sub-ground condition of the area it is built in. Where is all that geological information coming from? I'm just mystified about why so many can be so concerned about so little. It makes no sense at all. But, you are right, if you folks feel like uselessly crying crocodile tears over something that you cannot control and just enjoy the attractions for what it is and not what it is housed in, the by all means. I will bow out and you folks can whine on. Again I will ask, what magnificent sight-line is it blocking.
 

DCLcruiser

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I know what you are going to say, Toy Story Land which people seem to not understand is that coaster is supposed to be a toy coaster left outside in the backyard and we are supposed to be toy sized.
I 100% get that we are toys, or maybe even ants haha, in a backyard amongst giant (to us) toys.

I think one idea that would have made that more clear is this:

GE's walkway to/from TSL has high walls and you could place Star Wars figures on top (like Storm Trooper sentries). I think that the sentries should progress from realistic (near GE) to obvious toys (near TSL). That way you would know that you were going from a real world, to a toy land. OR, if you made them all toys, it would signify that GE is also a toy an action figure land, not sentient beings.
 

UNCgolf

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I 100% get that we are toys, or maybe even ants haha, in a backyard amongst giant (to us) toys.

I understand that was the goal, but I think the execution doesn't work at all. I never really had any sense that's what it was supposed to be the first time I was there.

The old Honey I Shrunk the Kids playground area did this 10000x better.
 

lazyboy97o

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Why is it a factor whether my shorts are in a knot or not? I have an opinion and I am expressing it. You yourself keep making statements about the physical ground and sub-ground condition of the area it is built in. Where is all that geological information coming from? I'm just mystified about why so many can be so concerned about so little. It makes no sense at all. But, you are right, if you folks feel like uselessly crying crocodile tears over something that you cannot control and just enjoy the attractions for what it is and not what it is housed in, the by all means. I will bow out and you folks can whine on. Again I will ask, what magnificent sight-line is it blocking.
Whether or shorts are in a knot is a factor because you are clearly being disingenuous. You come to these types of threads berating people for discussing something you claim not to care about. That you read and respond shows you obviously care about something related to the subject. Why are you so bothered that people are discussing something you don’t care about?

What statements have I made about specific geotechnical issues? That there is a basement is a fact. You can see them in photos. That there are other Central Florida attractions with basements is a fact. That every site should be basic knowledge for someone who claims to have worked in construction and throws around how people don’t know the physical reality of situations.
 

DCLcruiser

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I understand that was the goal, but I think the execution doesn't work at all. I never really had any sense that's what it was supposed to be the first time I was there.

The old Honey I Shrunk the Kids playground area did this 10000x better.
What else could it be? There are plastic piece holders, instruction manuals and toy boxes with 90s green price tags (my favorite nostalgic part of the land).
 

lazyboy97o

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What else could it be? There are plastic piece holders, instruction manuals and toy boxes with 90s green price tags (my favorite nostalgic part of the land).
Scale and space. The land does not define either. It’s a big things in a field without a relationship between each other or the viewer.
 

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