Rumor Siemens is going to end their sponsorship with the parks - Spaceship Earth and IllumiNations

mikejs78

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You know, the more I read threads around here, the more I think I must just have way lower standards than the average Disney fan.

I love Spaceship Earth. One of my favorite rides at Walt Disney World. Sure, there are things they could do to improve it, but there are things they could do to improve anything. But to say that the ride is "poop"? I just don't get it. I don't see that at all.

Then again, a good 80% of the threads around here are people talking about how things at WDW have gone to crap. Yet every time we go, I still think it's great.

Oh well. To each his own I suppose.
I'm with you. There are certainly issues, and certainly things that I wish they'd do differently, but to me WDW is still a great place to visit.

Oh, by the way, Spaceship Earth, even with the current less-than-stellar descent, is still one of the best attractions in WDW.
 

rle4lunch

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You know, the more I read threads around here, the more I think I must just have way lower standards than the average Disney fan.

I love Spaceship Earth. One of my favorite rides at Walt Disney World. Sure, there are things they could do to improve it, but there are things they could do to improve anything. But to say that the ride is "poop"? I just don't get it. I don't see that at all.

Then again, a good 80% of the threads around here are people talking about how things at WDW have gone to crap. Yet every time we go, I still think its great.

Oh well. To each his own I suppose.

I'm comparing it to when it was new. Since then, they've dumbed down the narrative, gutted the last 3rd of the ride, and tacked on whatever the hell you call that ridiculous ending. It embodies the laziness that is wdo.
 

mikejs78

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I'm comparing it to when it was new. Since then, they've dumbed down the narrative, gutted the last 3rd of the ride, and tacked on whatever the hell you call that ridiculous ending. It embodies the laziness that is wdo.
Actually it was fairly lackluster when it was new. No musical score, rather bland narrative... The Cronkite version fixed it, the Irons improved on that, and the current version took some steps forward (the ascent, the quality of the animatronics) and some steps back (the descent mainly) - but it's still very compelling as an attraction
 
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Big C 73

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Imagine if the spacer car projections had worked....

I was going to ask if you could possibly elaborate upon this concept somewhat more. I have heard it mentioned elsewhere in rather general terms, but did not receive information on the precise content of the projections or their general conceptual history. If you have that information, it would be most appreciated. Thank you.
 

disney4life2008

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Doesn't siemans own the rights to the video though? Or are the animations Disney? Regardless, the animation is outdated. Granted we are still way off from a robot fixing a broken bone from afar, its not too hard to imagine. Space ship earth used to be my favorite ride but they ruined it with the last refurb. It's messy and no disrespect to Judi Dench but she is a terrible narrator!
 

180º

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I was going to ask if you could possibly elaborate upon this concept somewhat more. I have heard it mentioned elsewhere in rather general terms, but did not receive information on the precise content of the projections or their general conceptual history. If you have that information, it would be most appreciated. Thank you.
Seconded, I’m eager to hear more. If I’ve learned anything from Martin Smith videos, it’s: If you can see juicy details about unbuilt projects, then it’s because we’ve reached a point where they’re never going to happen. I suspect we’ve reached this point with these “spacer car projections” and that’s why we’re suddenly hearing about them. Or maybe I just missed something.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I was going to ask if you could possibly elaborate upon this concept somewhat more. I have heard it mentioned elsewhere in rather general terms, but did not receive information on the precise content of the projections or their general conceptual history. If you have that information, it would be most appreciated. Thank you.
If I recall there were plans to have upwards / backwards facing projectors in the spacer cars. As you entered the vortex into 180top it would kick in and project images right in front of each car on a series of mist screens. The mist screens never worked as planned due to the buildings heating / cooling disrupting the airflow (the problem they also had with the ascent fog) so the effect was abandoned.
 

muddyrivers

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Wow, I can't believe I haven't seen this before! I've always been a huge spaceship earth fan. I'm actually a current cast member in futureworld and have been on two backstage tours of SSE, the latest one was just a few days ago! I went in with one question, and that was if the show scenes you passed on the descent just before the finale in the previous version of the ride were still there, and it turns out they are! At least the mannequins are, that you saw the reflections of (as they talk about in that tour video). They're still up there, just covered by a black sheet.
If I recall there were plans to have upwards / backwards facing projectors in the spacer cars. As you entered the vortex into 180top it would kick in and project images right in front of each car on a series of mist screens. The mist screens never worked as planned due to the buildings heating / cooling disrupting the airflow (the problem they also had with the ascent fog) so the effect was abandoned.

I believe the behind the scenes tour video I relinked to from YouTube makes mention of that as well. I definitely remember the guide mentioning projectors in the spacers and how they now (in 1996) only host audio, but I don't think he provided as much detail as marni did. Cheers!
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Let me add the effect was never run for guests. It didn’t make it past the tests. I don’t even know if a projector was mounted to a spacer. Given the moon station set was partially installed there’s a chance possibly that they got quite far with it.
 
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P_Radden

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Let me add the effect was never run for guests. It didn’t make it past the tests. I don’t even know if a projector was mounted to a spacer. Given the moon station set was partially installed there’s a chance possibly that they got quite far with it.
Do you have any pics of the top dome area with the lights on? Particularly the "tower" area the ride cars come up and out of?
 

Big C 73

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If I recall there were plans to have upwards / backwards facing projectors in the spacer cars. As you entered the vortex into 180top it would kick in and project images right in front of each car on a series of mist screens. The mist screens never worked as planned due to the buildings heating / cooling disrupting the airflow (the problem they also had with the ascent fog) so the effect was abandoned.
As always, thank you for the information!
 

RSoxNo1

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Each car has it's own onboard computer with Windows 7 installed (too funny when the BSOD shows up and a sound is still going, might make it sound like loud machine gun fire from the speakers) with onboard audio included, with onboard power routed via the connections every 6-7 spacers. All the other spacers are empty.
I've heard a loud banging noise while riding that I assumed was the actual ride system. Are you suggesting it was computer related?
 

Tom Morrow

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Why are Apple, Google, and Microsoft constantly the only companies mentioned? They are not the only innovative companies in the world.

3M now has "Innovation Centers" where they show off their latest products and demonstrate exactly what it is they do. As a material science company, that makes sense -- people don't know much about what the company does beyond tape and post-it notes. Having been to their Innovation Center in Saint Paul, MN, they have put together an EPCOT-like experience where you can get hands-on with their materials, learn about the science behind the products, etc. This is something that has the spirit of EPCOT Center, and would certainly be very relevant today.
This is going back a few pages, but I would be very excited for a company like Apple, where image and marketing is like 75% of their success, to sponsor an attraction, because you know they would throw tons of money at it and make sure its a quality experience. In the case of Siemens and similar, you get the impression that all they really cared about was having their name posted.
 

WDW862

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Don't know if this was posted yet, but the Siemens signage at the front was finally removed.
 

Goofyernmost

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JMO, but I rode SSE pretty steadily from '89-'98. Then I finally rode it again 2012 and my first thought was, "man these on-board screens are dumb".
I don't want to sound insulting, but, just like Sounds Dangerous, it seems to me the that general public just doesn't get the purpose or the message. The screens are an example of current communication technology. Had that been first introduced in 1982 everyones jaw would still be wide open from the revolutionary thing that was happening. You are riding in a familiar train type vehicle. At the beginning you go up an incline and a picture is taken. You continue the ride and there on the end your face shows up on an individual screen and is later displayed on a huge screen after you exit the ride all timed to be right where you are at the time. We have become so jaded with technology that we cannot see just how great that event was and how, when it came to communication it was a pretty recent development. 15 years before that wouldn't have been even remotely possible. However, instead of thinking man that is cool, (even if corny) we are upset because a few projected scenes, technology dating back years and years, is considered something special, but, that part, which was anything but inexpensive is considered a cheap substitute. I believe Martin when he says that there were other things that were left out, for whatever reason they had, but, something that doesn't exist is no more impressive then a technology that does. Yet, we can't see past that. It's like saying.... if only I had been born rich instead of incredibly good looking.

The same thing applied to Sounds Dangerous. We went to an attraction whose purpose was to emphasize sound effects. Remember the sound effects show, previously. Or maybe that was the problem. It was a very daring attempt. A movie starts and gives you an image that you are watching. Then after all the basics have been covered you lose the visual and the rest of the story is told completely through sound. The story actually works, we can visualize in our minds everything that is happening because of the sounds that we are hearing. Nope... completely missed by the public. Why did they show half a movie and then stop it... how lame. I didn't want to hear it I wanted to see it. My, my didn't we just go to a sound effects show more graphic then any other one ever shown. Guess not!

Another that was lesser was the objection to Test Track early on. No real story, just a ride... big deal. Never once taking into consideration that the focus of the attraction was the car. You allowed yourself to ride in a car that didn't have a driver. It was completely controlled by a computer. It went fast, it went slow. it slammed on the brakes, all with no driver. You didn't think that there was a person in a booth making each car do those things by remote control did you. Yet, no one was seeing the technology that enabled that machine to reach speeds of 64 miles per hours with no one at the wheel (there was no wheel, that was the only thing done mechanically by the slot in the floor steering the vehicle) and no one died or went zooming off the track into a deadly pile of scrap plastic and people. The car was the attraction.

It just seems to me that we are so overloaded with technology that we fail to see the obvious unless someone is whispering in our ear telling us what is impressive. Perhaps Disney should just go back to standard omni-mover attraction with simple age old illusions, like Peppers Ghost. The rest seems to be wasted on us. That is how I see it, others may not. Doesn't matter... I was able to enjoy the "dumb" screens, the sounds that told the story and the machine operating without a human at the wheel. That is all that I needed.
 
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Hatbox Ghostbuster

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I don't want to sound insulting, but, just like Sounds Dangerous, it seems to me the that general public just doesn't get the purpose or the message. The screens are an example of current communication technology. Had that been first introduced in 1982 everyones jaw would still be wide open from the revolutionary thing that was happening. You are riding in a familiar train type vehicle. At the beginning you go up an incline and a picture is taken. You continue the ride and there on the end your face shows up on an individual screen and is later displayed on a huge screen after you exit the ride all timed to be right where you are at the time. We have become so jaded with technology that we cannot see just how great that event was and how, when it came to communication it was a pretty recent development. 15 years before that wouldn't have been even remotely possible. However, instead of thinking man that is cool, (even if corny) we are upset because a few projected scenes, technology dating back years and years, is considered something special, but, that part, which was anything but inexpensive is considered a cheap substitute. I believe Martin when he says that there were other things that were left out, for whatever reason they had, but, something that doesn't exist is no more impressive then a technology that does. Yet, we can't see past that. It's like saying.... if only I had been born rich instead of incredibly good looking.

The same thing applied to Sounds Dangerous. We went to an attraction whose purpose was to emphasize sound effects. Remember the sound effects show, previously. Or maybe that was the problem. It was a very daring attempt. A movie starts and gives you an image that you are watching. Then after all the basics have been covered you lose the visual and the rest of the story is told completely through sound. The story actually works, we can visualize in our minds everything that is happening because of the sounds that we are hearing. Nope... completely missed by the public. Why did the show half a movie and then stop it... how lame. I didn't want to hear it I wanted to see it. My, my didn't we just go to a sound effects show more graphic then any other one ever shown. Guess not!

Another that was lesser was the objection to Test Track early on. No real story, just a ride... big deal. Never once taking into consideration that the focus of the attraction was the car. You allowed yourself to ride in a car that didn't have a driver. It was completely controlled by a computer. It went fast, it went slow. it slammed on the brakes, all with no driver. You didn't think that there was a person in a booth making each car do those things by remote control did you. Yet, no one was seeing the technology that enabled that machine to reach speeds of 64 miles per hours with no one at the wheel (there was no wheel, that was the only thing done mechanically by the slot in the floor steering the vehicle) and no one died or went zooming off the track into a deadly pile of scrap plastic and people. The car was the attraction.

It just seems to me that we are so overloaded with technology that we fail to see the obvious unless someone is whispering in our ear telling us what is impressive. Perhaps Disney should just go back to standard omni-mover attraction with simple age old illusions, like Peppers Ghost. The rest seems to be wasted on us. That is how I see it, others may not. Doesn't matter... I was able to enjoy the "dumb" screens, the sounds that told the story and the machine operating without a human at the wheel. That is all that I needed.
Oh no, trust me, I understood WHY the screens were there and what they represented. Heck, I was even impressed by it the first couples times. But, overall I just thought they were dumb and unnecessary, and I miss hearing Tomorrow's Child.

Can't speak on SD as I never saw it.
 
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