Shouldn't Premium Passholders Should Get More Perks?

[menamechris]

OK, I'll admit it. The DL AP is much better. Been there and seen it in action. But like Master Yoda is saying, a different demographic goes there. They have way more regulars and DL depends on locals buying APs. Sort of like your local amusement park. Yes, WDW has locals, and they target selling APs to those people, but that is not the large portion of their revenue

Why has this become such a "go-to" point in almost any debate where WDW comes up short? If anything, the fact that WDW allegedly sells fewer AP's means they should take less of a hit than DL if they were to offer the same discounts...

 

[devoy1701]

Why has this become such a "go-to" point in almost any debate where WDW comes up short? If anything, the fact that WDW allegedly sells fewer AP's means they should take less of a hit than DL if they were to offer the same discounts...

I kind of made this point earlier but not to this extent. You would think with DL having such a HUGE AP base, they wouldn't need to offer as many discounts to entice people to become AP holders.

But anyway. This thread is deteriorating, so I am going to bow out... :wave:

 

[Master Yoda]

Simple, as a Deluxe guest, I have access to themed pools and, for the most part easier access to the parks, give or take. But since Iam paying 4 to 7k for vacation, just for room and tickets, I should have more than the guy staying at a moderate or value or much so than the guy staying off property, who are not paying as much.

If the resorts are booked to capacity is irrelevant to the fact Disney should give me more for spending more. A easy solution that would go over well for people like me is offering no waits for rides, like they do at Universal when they stay on property.

Disney makes more money from people who stay at Deluxe resorts, we just should have more than what we currently get.


Jimmy Thick-Here we go again...

Should you get more? That is debatable but the simple fact is you do not get more but you still pay 7 grand per trip. If you are willing to pay out that kind of cash for a vacation without those perks and do so every year why should Disney offer you more? What is the incentive for them?

If you want Disney to offer these perks stop coming and convince a significant portion of the other 119 million people that go to WDW every year to do the same.

I think what you might be doing is transposing the comp system used in Vegas to WDW. While you do have major players that stand out no one really has anything unique to offer in Vegas. All of the big casinos offer incredible restaurants, shows, luxury out the yin-yang and gambling. The way casinos attempt to differentiate themselves from each other is their treatment of the whales via perks and comps.

WDW does not have this issue. While they are not the only game in town, they are so far ahead of everyone else they can afford to hold back. For every person that will go to US/IOA instead of WDW solely because of the front of the line pass perk there are 20 people that would rater go to WDW. As far as Disney is concerned they can have that 1 guy.

I'll break it down even further. Lets say you own a company that makes broken nose splints. You sell every broken nose splint you make as soon as it comes off the assembly line. Would you ever run a 50% off sale on nose splints? Of course you wouldn't.

Disney is no different. They are selling nearly every resort room they have every day without offering these additional perks. If that fact were to change so might the perks being offered. Part of the reason for this is they do not have any real direct competition. The closest thing that have to that is US/IOA which pulls in significantly less that WDW worst performing park.

Master Yoda-Successful broken nose splint company goes bankrupt in 6 months due to ill advised 50% off sale.

 

[devoy1701]

Should you get more? That is debatable but the simple fact is you do not get more but you still pay 7 grand per trip. If you are willing to pay out that kind of cash for a vacation without those perks and do so every year why should Disney offer you more? What is the incentive for them?

If you want Disney to offer these perks stop coming and convince a significant portion of the other 119 million people that go to WDW every year to do the same.

I think what you might be doing is transposing the comp system used in Vegas to WDW. While you do have major players that stand out no one really has anything unique to offer in Vegas. All of the big casinos offer incredible restaurants, shows, luxury out the yin-yang and gambling. The way casinos attempt to differentiate themselves from each other is their treatment of the whales via perks and comps.

WDW does not have this issue. While they are not the only game in town, they are so far ahead of everyone else they can afford to hold back. For every person that will go to US/IOA instead of WDW solely because of the front of the line pass perk there are 20 people that would rater go to WDW. As far as Disney is concerned they can have that 1 guy.

I'll break it down even further. Lets say you own a company that makes broken nose splints. You sell every broken nose splint you make as soon as it comes off the assembly line. Would you ever run a 50% off sale on nose splints? Of course you wouldn't.

Disney is no different. They are selling nearly every resort room they have every day without offering these additional perks. If that fact were to change so might the perks being offered. Part of the reason for this is they do not have any real direct competition. The closest thing that have to that is US/IOA which pulls in significantly less that WDW worst performing park.

Master Yoda-Successful broken nose splint company goes bankrupt in 6 months due to ill advised 50% off sale.

I'm going to jump back into this thread long enough to say...

Well Played! :sohappy: :ROFLOL:

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Simple, as a Deluxe guest, I have access to themed pools and, for the most part easier access to the parks, give or take. But since Iam paying 4 to 7k for vacation, just for room and tickets, I should have more than the guy staying at a moderate or value or much so than the guy staying off property, who are not paying as much.

If the resorts are booked to capacity is irrelevant to the fact Disney should give me more for spending more. A easy solution that would go over well for people like me is offering no waits for rides, like they do at Universal when they stay on property.

Disney makes more money from people who stay at Deluxe resorts, we just should have more than what we currently get.


Jimmy Thick-Here we go again...

Universal has to do that to keep those properties full. Disney does not. There are plenty of people who make the statement on this site that "now that I have stayed at the Poly etc..I could NEVER do a mod again!". They are already offering you more square footage in their prime real estate rooms. A Deluxe guest room costs more to maintain, due to better bath products, towels, heating and cooling the corridors....ect. And people often choose a mod or value because they need multiple rooms. So two rooms at the mod and we are now right there with your one room at the Deluxe.

Lets also try this analogy...
If you fly business class, you are paying say 4 times as much as the person flying coach. What do you get for this? Well a bigger seat, a few glasses of wine and a lunch compared to the coach seat that gets pretzels and soda. Thats it though, they are not going to give a foot massage or a personal valet to pick up your luggage. And both the biz class and coach flyer are both going to end up in orlando at the same time, no matter how much more one just paid.

If you feel you don't get enough for what you pay, then the solution is don't stay there.

 

[wm49rs]

Should you get more? That is debatable but the simple fact is you do not get more but you still pay 7 grand per trip. If you are willing to pay out that kind of cash for a vacation without those perks and do so every year why should Disney offer you more? What is the incentive for them?

Something else to consider: Those who are not staying in the Deluxe resorts may not be doing so out of a lack of funding, but rather because saving on where they lay their heads a night may allow them to afford more options with their Disney trips: more TS meals, more souvenirs, more parties and festivals, and even more eek vacations themselves. If Disney can build that repeat business, regardless of resort level, they're not going to turn it away. Not by a long shot.



Jimmy Thick- Look nowhere else for a better definition of the word....

 

[PlaneCrazy1978]

Do you by chance also ask your grocery store not to accept coupons? If you think you get a lot now, you should have been a passholder years ago. You would be overwhelmed with excitement.

Sorry deleted that post because it sounded snotty and that's not how I meant it. I have been a passholder for many many years and I do know what it was like. I'm just not that upset with the way it is now. It's not so bad.

Why has this become such a "go-to" point in almost any debate where WDW comes up short? If anything, the fact that WDW allegedly sells fewer AP's means they should take less of a hit than DL if they were to offer the same discounts...

Can someone tell me the overwhelming thing that you get as a DL passholder that you don't get as a WDW passholder?

Free Parking? A few more food discounts? Whoopee. WDW AP also gives much larger room discounts and allows you to get TIW, which gives you a 20% discount - much larger than most that a DL AP gives you.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just relatively happy with what I get for my money. I guess it's up to each person if they think it is a deal.

 

[SleepingMonk]

...Those who are not staying in the Deluxe resorts may not be doing so out of a lack of funding, but rather because saving on where they lay their heads a night may allow them to afford more options with their Disney trips: more TS meals, more souvenirs, more parties and festivals....[/I]

The internal Disney research conducted before filing that last FastPass patent clearly showed deluxe resort guests tend to spend more in the parks.

 

[Laura]

Free Parking? A few more food discounts? Whoopee. WDW AP also gives much larger room discounts and allows you to get TIW, which gives you a 20% discount - much larger than most that a DL AP gives you.

DL AP gives 15% off ALL food (including fast food and counter service) without having to pay for a TIW card. The TIW card also does not give you 20% off counter service at the parks.

It's a substantial difference in savings. The extra 5% "MUCH LARGER" discount TIW at WDW gets compared to DL is overridden by the $75 membership fee, not to mention lack of discounts on counter service.

DL AP also includes 20% off ALL merchandise, not just select stores like WDW.

 

[wm49rs]

The internal Disney research conducted before filing that last FastPass patent clearly showed deluxe resort guests tend to spend more in the parks.

That's nice. How long ago was that study?

And Disney would still enjoy those making multiple visits a year to Moderate resorts over those coming once to a Deluxe. Particularly if the monies saved on the rooms are spent in those other areas I mentioned.

 

[mcstensrud]

I would be happy with a plastic credit card looking pass :shrug:

 

[menamechris]

Can someone tell me the overwhelming thing that you get as a DL passholder that you don't get as a WDW passholder?

Free Parking? A few more food discounts? Whoopee. WDW AP also gives much larger room discounts and allows you to get TIW, which gives you a 20% discount - much larger than most that a DL AP gives you.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just relatively happy with what I get for my money. I guess it's up to each person if they think it is a deal.

TIW is open to any Florida resident, not just passholders. So its not really an exclusive program. And it is primarily only on table service restaurants. I have it, I use it, but its not very practical if you are just wanting to grab something quick to eat in the parks ($15 for a quick service meal, really?) - or if you want a snack.

And if you are a passholder, I hope you haven't been paying for parking, because it is free at WDW, too.

Regardless, I am glad you are happy with your benefits, but I do have to assume that you don't visit terribly often where it would make a difference anyways. Those of us who go monthly, or even weekly, there is no arguing we would spend even more if we felt we were getting more substantial discounts.

 

[wm49rs]

I would be happy with a plastic credit card looking pass :shrug:

I'd be happy if the vouchers I got from AAA were the actual APs....

 

[duchess1576]

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wow. :brick: LOL

 

[progroupie]

Simple, as a Deluxe guest, I have access to themed pools and, for the most part easier access to the parks, give or take. But since Iam paying 4 to 7k for vacation, just for room and tickets, I should have more than the guy staying at a moderate or value or much so than the guy staying off property, who are not paying as much.

If the resorts are booked to capacity is irrelevant to the fact Disney should give me more for spending more. A easy solution that would go over well for people like me is offering no waits for rides, like they do at Universal when they stay on property.

Disney makes more money from people who stay at Deluxe resorts, we just should have more than what we currently get.


Jimmy Thick-Here we go again...

You are getting more for the money you're spending, you're getting a deluxe resort room. You're not paying any more to actually enter the park than anyone else is. You're paying more to have a nicer resort and extra ammenities, which you're receiving.

I don't see any reason your fastpass access should be connected to where you're staying. If Disney wanted to upcharge for fastpass use it would make more sense for it to part of the ticket price, not part of the resort price. Such as offering unlimited fast passes with the purchase of a park hopper option or a 7-day ticket for instance.

Expecting more perks in the park based on how much you pay for your resort is like expected a better parking place because you spent more on your car.

 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

Sorry if it offends people, but I spend more money, I should have more

Are you so sure about that statement?

since I am paying 4 to 7k for vacation, just for room and tickets, I should have more than the guy staying at a moderate

My trip for next year is £3200 just for room and tickets and that is for a moderate. Does that entitle me to more in your eyes even though I'm not staying at a deluxe?

You are getting more for the money you're spending, you're getting a deluxe resort room. You're not paying any more to actually enter the park than anyone else is. You're paying more to have a nicer resort and extra ammenities, which you're receiving.

Exactly. Nice to hear some reasonable debate over the 'give, give, give me more, more, more' crowd. (For 'crowd' read Jimmy Thick).

 

[SleepingMonk]

...I don't see any reason your fastpass access should be connected to where you're staying...

You can't spend money while you're standing in line.

Disney studied spending patterns and found people staying at the deluxe resorts tend to spend more money in the parks. The faster you get those guests on and off the rides, the faster they get back to spending money.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Should you get more? That is debatable but the simple fact is you do not get more but you still pay 7 grand per trip. If you are willing to pay out that kind of cash for a vacation without those perks and do so every year why should Disney offer you more? What is the incentive for them?

Yes, I SHOULD get more, that is what I have been saying all along, but I don't get more than what I already receive from Disney, which is what this whole thread/debate is all about. The incentive for Disney is TO offer me, as a deluxe guest, more for my vacation dollar SINCE I pay more than the person staying at a moderate or value.

For example, I drop 7k on 10 day vacation, and could possible spend another 1 to 3k on food and other merchandise. So rounding it up for example purpose, thats 10k spent on a vacation at Disney World.

A person staying at a value pays 1.7k for the same time frame, throw in the same 3k for food and other goods, thats 4.7k, less than half of what I spent.

Ask Disney who THEY would rather have stay with them if they had to choose one guest over the other, and why I should not feel entitled to more than what I already get. The numbers don't lie, and they most surely add up.

If you want Disney to offer these perks stop coming and convince a significant portion of the other 119 million people that go to WDW every year to do the same.

That's not going to happen, Disney will survive with or without me, and I won't change my favorite vacation destination, but it would make things easier, from my perspective, to make a vacation decision if I knew before hand I had the luxury of by passing lines so I could do more things while on vacation, like say go to a spa on property. I would only be spending more money, but that goes without saying.

I think what you might be doing is transposing the comp system used in Vegas to WDW. While you do have major players that stand out no one really has anything unique to offer in Vegas. All of the big casinos offer incredible restaurants, shows, luxury out the yin-yang and gambling. The way casinos attempt to differentiate themselves from each other is their treatment of the whales via perks and comps.

And most Vegas high rollers stay loyal to the casino that woo's them. Why? Because they get perks other casino's don't offer them, because the casino wants that high rollers money.

See how this works?

WDW does not have this issue. While they are not the only game in town, they are so far ahead of everyone else they can afford to hold back. For every person that will go to US/IOA instead of WDW solely because of the front of the line pass perk there are 20 people that would rater go to WDW. As far as Disney is concerned they can have that 1 guy.

We will pursue the Disney holding back later, but I digress..

Your comparing a resort like Universal, which is a 2 day park at best that offers a fantastic front of the line perk, to a resort like Disney World, which people can stay for a whole week and not experience everything?

Why wouldn't I just stay at Universal for 2 days, use their front of the line perk to my vacation's advantage while there and then transfer over to Disney World for a week? How many other people use this same logic?

Why would Disney want that one guy to stay at Universal when they can have that one guys money on top of the 20 others? Do you really believe that statement, that Disney wants Universal to take money out of their pocket?

Come on now.

I'll break it down even further. Lets say you own a company that makes broken nose splints. You sell every broken nose splint you make as soon as it comes off the assembly line. Would you ever run a 50% off sale on nose splints? Of course you wouldn't.

How is this analogy valid to the debate at hand?

Iam not asking for a 50% off sale by any means, Iam asking for free front of the line access due to the fact I paid to stay at a deluxe resort, a simple and easy to implement bonus that allows spenders like me the chance to spend more money.

Or to put it in your analogies terms.

I own a broken nose splint company and I sell them as fast as I can make them, as I sell them, I include a free catalog that costs me nothing to produce in every package of broken nose splints to offer my customers the option to buy more things that I sell.

Who loses here?

Disney is no different. They are selling nearly every resort room they have every day without offering these additional perks. If that fact were to change so might the perks being offered. Part of the reason for this is they do not have any real direct competition. The closest thing that have to that is US/IOA which pulls in significantly less that WDW worst performing park.

Master Yoda-Successful broken nose splint company goes bankrupt in 6 months due to ill advised 50% off sale.

Disney does not offer perks?

So what is the free dining e-mail I just got? Or the resort discount one? Those are not perks designed to lure people to their parks during their slower seasons?

And when has Disney actually sold EVERY resort room they have on property? During Christmas time, maybe, but through out the year, highly doubtful. I can first hand say even when the web site said all rooms for a certain resort was booked, all it took was a phone call to get me in, but that is not what this thread is about...

I can argue this until the end of the world, if Disney will ever act upon it is another thread all together.

The point is, I feel as a guest who only stays only at Deluxe resorts, I should get more for my dollar, thats not being greedy or elitist or whatever term people want to throw out there.

Its just being human.



Jimmy Thick-Its like buying a car...

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Wow.....never know how to explain this.

If you are paying to stay at a deluxe, you do have more. You have better hotel amenities, better themed rooms, better restaurant choices, etc. That is what paying more for a resort hotel gets you.

If you don't think its worth it, don't book it.

To me, the passholder 'break even' point IS the perk for getting the pass. If you go more than the number of days it would cost less for tickets, you win. Also, WDW offers a slew of passholder lodging and room-only discounts. How many more perks do you want?

Point is, a successful company never gives up their product for nothing. They don't need to lure you, YOU ARE ALREADY THERE. By buying a pass, you are signifying that you are going, and you will be returning. Disney corporate feels they don't need loyalty programs or big perks, as they don't have enough competition to warrant them in their market.

In casino areas, there are a score of choices. In Florida, if you are a passholder, you've already made your choice. And spending 10K on a vacation does NOT make you a high roller in corporate eyes.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

I am an AP holding, self-proclaimed deluxe resort snob. Does this make me better than the guy who scrapes together money for a value stay with discounted tickets? NO. Why do I say this? I've experienced it from both ends. I'm not purchasing a different type of park experience- I'm purchasing a different type of ticket media and resort experience. Now, should my resort be better than a value, yes. It should offer me the perks with which it is advertised because that is what I purchased. APs are the same thing. I buy a year of access to the parks not a year of access plus VIP treatment.