Shouldn't Premium Passholders Should Get More Perks?

[wm49rs]

Yes, I SHOULD get more, that is what I have been saying all along, but I don't get more than what I already receive from Disney, which is what this whole thread/debate is all about. The incentive for Disney is TO offer me, as a deluxe guest, more for my vacation dollar SINCE I pay more than the person staying at a moderate or value.

Actually, this thread was about those with Premium APs getting more. Those who theoretically make multiple vacations to WDW in one year, regardless of whether they stay at a Deluxe resort or not. And as long as those people continue to make multiple trips through the turnstiles, spending monies at restaurants, buying souvenirs, attending parties and festivals; Disney could care less where they stay.

Jimmy Thick- A veritable fog of thickness.....

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Actually, this thread was about those with Premium APs getting more. Those who theoretically make multiple vacations to WDW in one year, regardless of whether they stay at a Deluxe resort or not. And as long as those people continue to make multiple trips through the turnstiles, spending monies at restaurants, buying souvenirs, attending parties and festivals; Disney could care less where they stay.

Jimmy Thick- A veritable fog of thickness.....

Correct! And they shouldn't. Disney already has what they consider a premium resort experience with DVC, and aren't likely to offer you perks that their DVC customers don't get. I might see them skewing things toward DVC owners LONG before they give tiered resort benefits.

 

[wm49rs]

Correct! And they shouldn't. Disney already has what they consider a premium resort experience with DVC, and aren't likely to offer you perks that their DVC customers don't get. I might see them skewing things toward DVC owners LONG before they give tiered resort benefits.

I actually said the same thing not too long ago. If anyone would get some sort of "perks" for where they stayed, DVC owners would be at the front of the line, well ahead of the occasional Deluxe resort guest......

 

[Master Yoda]

Man Jimmy, you sure do live up to your name. We will try this one more time.

Companies give perks for on reason...to generate more business.

Disney apparently feels that the perk package they currently offer is adequate.

The numbers would suggest that they are correct. The resorts, restaurants, shops and parks are all nearly full.

When one of those is no longer the case Disney will modify whatever they need to in order to correct it.

Simple as that.




Master Yoda- If you think that you are not getting what you pay for then shop somewhere else.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Man Jimmy, you sure do live up to your name. We will try this one more time.

Companies give perks for on reason...to generate more business.

Disney apparently feels that the perk package they currently offer is adequate.

The numbers would suggest that they are correct. The resorts, restaurants, shops and parks are all nearly full.

When one of those is no longer the case Disney will modify whatever they need to in order to correct it.

Simple as that.




Master Yoda- If you think that you are not getting what you pay for then shop somewhere else.

But the whole concept of this thread is about should they offer more perks for premium guests, and I have stated why they should, thats as simple as it gets.

Iam not debating how Disney feels about their current perk package, as a business, or any successful business, they will offer as little as possible for the most amount of money.

If Disney made a simple and easy way to entice more deluxe guests, like giving them front of the line access during their stay, people who would stay at a value might opt for the deluxe instead, which would in turn be a better business decision and give the company more money to make an even more incredible vacation experience.

This topic is not as cut and dry as people want to make it out to be.


Jimmy Thick- All too easy...

 

[Master Yoda]

But the whole concept of this thread is about should they offer more perks for premium guests, and I have stated why they should, thats as simple as it gets.

Iam not debating how Disney feels about their current perk package, as a business, or any successful business, they will offer as little as possible for the most amount of money.

If Disney made a simple and easy way to entice more deluxe guests, like giving them front of the line access during their stay, people who would stay at a value might opt for the deluxe instead, which would in turn be a better business decision and give the company more money to make an even more incredible vacation experience.

This topic is not as cut and dry as people want to make it out to be.


Jimmy Thick- All too easy...

Then it that case I will say they shouldn't because there is no financial reason to. They are all ready selling all of their product so more incentives would just be money off the top with no ROI.

Master Yoda- Maybe you are not as powerful as the Emperor thought....

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Lets also try this analogy...
If you fly business class, you are paying say 4 times as much as the person flying coach. What do you get for this? Well a bigger seat, a few glasses of wine and a lunch compared to the coach seat that gets pretzels and soda. Thats it though, they are not going to give a foot massage or a personal valet to pick up your luggage. And both the biz class and coach flyer are both going to end up in orlando at the same time, no matter how much more one just paid.

But the airlines make their money off the people flying business class. A coach seat can go for 79 dollars, and business class seat can go for 4 thousand, and thats not including the absurd price of alcohol products on a flight. And yes, you can get a valet to pick up your bags, if your willing to pay for it.

Jimmy Thick-Thats the whole point...

 

[Club Cooloholic]

But the whole concept of this thread is about should they offer more perks for premium guests, and I have stated why they should, thats as simple as it gets.

Iam not debating how Disney feels about their current perk package, as a business, or any successful business, they will offer as little as possible for the most amount of money.

If Disney made a simple and easy way to entice more deluxe guests, like giving them front of the line access during their stay, people who would stay at a value might opt for the deluxe instead, which would in turn be a better business decision and give the company more money to make an even more incredible vacation experience.

This topic is not as cut and dry as people want to make it out to be.


Jimmy Thick- All too easy...

So Very Thick. They don't need to entice more people into deluxe. That has been said over and over again. Also, they want both value and deluxes filled. Values by the way are a heck of a lot easier for them to run, and obviously from your statements, the guests are a heck of a lot easier to keep happy.

I think the majority of people would say they don't belive there should be more perks as they pertain to the park. Maybe at your resort you could argue(such as prefered reservations at your home resorts restaurant) but not the parks. Disney and it's fans would not want to see something implemented that would leave a bad tase in their park goers mouth. I feel bad sometimes going through the FP line as is, but I can say to myself, those waiting in the regular line could be here with planning. Imagine how those folks would look at people going through if they knew they were only there because they spent more on their room?

 

[Club Cooloholic]

But the airlines make their money off the people flying business class. A coach seat can go for 79 dollars, and business class seat can go for 4 thousand, and thats not including the absurd price of alcohol products on a flight. And yes, you can get a valet to pick up your bags, if your willing to pay for it.

Jimmy Thick-Thats the whole point...

You have proven my arguement. The airline does not offer all that many perks for flying business class when you compare it to what the coach rider is getting. Like deluxe vs. value, the biz class flyer is getting more space and some better food options than the coach rider.
And as you just said you can get a valet, but you have to pay EXTRA for it. If you want FPs, by one of the tours for a grand a day. It is an option.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Then it that case I will say they shouldn't because there is no financial reason to. They are all ready selling all of their product so more incentives would just be money off the top with no ROI.

Master Yoda- Maybe you are not as powerful as the Emperor thought....

Everything associated with a vacation revolves around financial reasons.


Disney is in the business to make money, pure and simple. Now if they offered a small simple perk, even though they don't have to because they sell through, I get it, but even if they did offer a perk like front of the line access, something like that could make them sell through all year long in their deluxe resorts, and could possibly eliminate the need for deluxe resort seasons, making an already profitable resort category even more so.

You can still have the seasonal pricing and moderates and values, but a deluxe resort would be a premium product, and feature a premium price, but you get the premium perk of front of the line access.

How can that be a bad return on investment?


Jimmy Thick-Impressive...

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Disney and it's fans would not want to see something implemented that would leave a bad tase in their park goers mouth.

Disney does not want what?

I think Disney wants your money and they don't care what you taste to be brutally honest, don't be romantic about a publicly traded company, because if they really cared, they would not offer exclusive perks for resort guests staying on property.


Jimmy Thick-Money, money, money...

 

[Jimmy Thick]

You have proven my arguement. The airline does not offer all that many perks for flying business class when you compare it to what the coach rider is getting. Like deluxe vs. value, the biz class flyer is getting more space and some better food options than the coach rider.
And as you just said you can get a valet, but you have to pay EXTRA for it. If you want FPs, by one of the tours for a grand a day. It is an option.

But if you ask the airlines which rider they prefer, the business class or coach rider, which one will they choose 100% of the time?

If you change it to deluxe guest vs value guest, which one would Disney choose?


Jimmy Thick-This is not that difficult...

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Disney does not want what?

I think Disney wants your money and they don't care what you taste to be brutally honest, don't be romantic about a publicly traded company, because if they really cared, they would not offer exclusive perks for resort guests staying on property.


Jimmy Thick-Money, money, money...

I am not being romantic, it's the honest truth, they want people to leave Disney feeling good about the visit so they will go back, make sure their kids see all the movies, and get all the toys etc.

The Parks and Hotels are just one revenue stream. So you go and pay 4K for your trip. Good for you. But the family that spends 2K is also seeing all those princess movies, buying the DVDs, watching the Disney channel and uping it's ratings which in turn gets Disney more money from advertisers. Stop thinking so small and how everything pertains to just you as an individual and think of this as one big marketing experience(which is what it is in many ways).

 

[Club Cooloholic]

But if you ask the airlines which rider they prefer, the business class or coach rider, which one will they choose 100% of the time?

If you change it to deluxe guest vs value guest, which one would Disney choose?


Jimmy Thick-This is not that difficult...

I think honestly the airline wants a full plane. Just like Disney wants full hotel rooms. There is a limited number of deluxe and there is a limited number of biz class, so why would they offer a steak dinner to biz class when they can get away giving a sandwich instead and still fill the seats?

 

[menamechris]

This thread has certainly gotten off topic... :hammer:

 

[Pioneer Hall]

I actually said the same thing not too long ago. If anyone would get some sort of "perks" for where they stayed, DVC owners would be at the front of the line, well ahead of the occasional Deluxe resort guest......

This is what I think too. Certainly I'm a little biased as a DVC member, but I think that they could offer more perks for the people who are signing a contract to pay for and come to their resorts for 50 or so years. I'm signed on for the next 46 years with DVC and will be a steady source of cash for Disney during that time. A few extra perks would be nice.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

I am not being romantic, it's the honest truth, they want people to leave Disney feeling good about the visit so they will go back, make sure their kids see all the movies, and get all the toys etc.

The Parks and Hotels are just one revenue stream. So you go and pay 4K for your trip. Good for you. But the family that spends 2K is also seeing all those princess movies, buying the DVDs, watching the Disney channel and uping it's ratings which in turn gets Disney more money from advertisers. Stop thinking so small and how everything pertains to just you as an individual and think of this as one big marketing experience(which is what it is in many ways).

Are you serious?

Disney is a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders who are always looking at the bottom line, as in how much money they are making. They only care about making money.

This is not 1959, Walt is dead, those days of Disney caring about the customer died when he did.


Jimmy Thick-Like this is about me?

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Are you serious?

Disney is a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders who are always looking at the bottom line, as in how much money they are making. They only care about making money.

This is not 1959, Walt is dead, those days of Disney caring about the customer died when he did.


Jimmy Thick-Like this is about me?

I already explained why keeping a park customer happy translates to money. Just take a moment and read it again. I am going to stop responding now. Jimmy have a good one, these threads are fun! I have one last question, are you still going to come back to Disney and stay in the deluxe or are you writing them off till that perk comes in?

 

[Master Yoda]

Everything associated with a vacation revolves around financial reasons.


Disney is in the business to make money, pure and simple. Now if they offered a small simple perk, even though they don't have to because they sell through, I get it, but even if they did offer a perk like front of the line access, something like that could make them sell through all year long in their deluxe resorts, and could possibly eliminate the need for deluxe resort seasons, making an already profitable resort category even more so.

You can still have the seasonal pricing and moderates and values, but a deluxe resort would be a premium product, and feature a premium price, but you get the premium perk of front of the line access.

How can that be a bad return on investment?


Jimmy Thick-Impressive...

You keep hitting on the front of the line pass thing so I will address that directly. It does have the potential to do all of the things you say but it also has a dark side. It can create caste system in the parks. From everything I have seen Disney do, they want to avoid a haves and have not situation in the parks. They want the parks to have a happy-happy-joy-joy, every one is special in their own way, warm and fuzzy feel to them. While it is certainty not the capitalist pig mentality that Disney is infamous for, it is a formula that works for them and their P&L statements prove it. Disney does have a few things that do have a have and have not stigma to them, they largely run under the radar. VIP tour guides are almost invisible, resort perks are contained to the resorts, etc.

While people who will be on the top tier of a caste system will love it and feel that they have earned it. The lower rungs, who make up the majority of Disney's income, will hate it and will eventually either stop coming or go somewhere else. Disney knows this and they are keeping us common folk happy and making us feel good about our miserable lives. IMHO this is pure freaking genius on their part.

There is no question that Disney has considered doing some sort of fastpass resort perk. Disney has patented several fast pass versions that would include tiered access depending on your resort, DVC membership, etc. When the Year of a Million Dreams promotion was going on one of the prizes was a one time per ride unlimited fast pass. I saw this as a BETA test for either a deluxe/DVC/pay as you go fast pass perk. All of that was several years ago and since we have not seen anything come of it. The safe assumption is that either they feel that it will not benefit them, it will not work or they are simply keeping it in their back pocket for the next tourism slump.

The next thing we have to consider is what effect such an unlimited system would have on the existing fast pass system. The current system works as well as it does because they know that there are only so many fast passes out there at one time. This lets them keep the stand by lines moving. Adding an unlimited fast pass would add an unknown variable to that equation. A group of 20 deluxe resort guests could conceivably shut down the standby line at an E-ticket attraction.

At most I could see Disney putting in fastpass machines at the deluxe resorts that would allow guests to get a limited number of fastpasses before they left the resort. This would be invisible to most guests and could be integrated into the existing system without disrupting it.

Master Yoda-You will find that I am full of surprises.

 

[wm49rs]

At most I could see Disney putting in fastpass machines at the deluxe resorts that would allow guests to get a limited number of fastpasses before they left the resort. This would be invisible to most guests and could be integrated into the existing system without disrupting it.

But, not before they offer such an option to DVC owners first. Because after all, if we're talking about financial commitment to WDW.....



Jimmy Thick- Getting in line like the rest of us....