Animaniac93-98
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Universal rewards resort guests with a VIP ExpressPass and they don't have any issues with riots or looting.....for the most part.
Well there are far fewer Universal resorts than Disney ones.
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Should there be more benefits for people staying at better resorts?
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Well there are far fewer Universal resorts than Disney ones.
matt_taylor1985
Member
I mean it would be crazy for Disney to do it, because of how people would react. I didn't say it was a crazy business idea.
matt_taylor1985
Member
Universal rewards resort guests with a VIP ExpressPass and they don't have any issues with riots or looting.....for the most part.
Apart from in the car parks!
But it's slightly different crowds that go to Universal and Disney.
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
We've covered that several times already.
WDW should offer the "VIP FastPass" to club level guests only.
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
Apart from in the car parks!
But it's slightly different crowds that go to Universal and Disney.
Angus Young would want a FastPass.....how can you argue with that!
If it was an offer open to everyone, and people chose not to take advantage of it, they would have no one to blame but themselves.
If that makes them angry, or mad, or any kind of negative reaction, you just can't blame Disney.
If you can't afford it, save up, if you can't save up, Disney offers moderate and value resorts for your vacation pleasure.
Its a win-win.
matt_taylor1985
Member
Yeah and I'm actually agreeing here. :lookaroun
What I'm saying is I think the fair way to do it is to have the different levels of resorts offer different benefits. Obviously the Deluxe would have the higher end benefits, but I think there should be some benefits for the other resorts.
matt_taylor1985
Member
Angus Young would want a FastPass.....how can you argue with that!
Don't think he'd go to Disney though - think he leaves that to Steve Tyler :lol:
But that non-contact doesn't have any adverse effect on the public.
That's fine, for RESORT perks. But your park tickets are exactly the same price as that of everyone elses (discounts notwithstanding). Therefore you are not entitled to anything additionally in the parks. Unlimited FPs would adversely affect everyone by extending the wait times of people in standby. As the system works now, the number of FPs allocated varies attraction to attraction. Universal's system doesn't work that way. You can use it at any time, which actually can increase the wait time for standby because it's not a specific allocation. Based on the number of Deluxe rooms at Disney, the FP would definitely drive up the wait times, and possibly cause Disney to reduce the number of FPs available to everyone else. It also discriminates against local visitors, or people who don't need to stay at a Disney hotel, and punishes them with longer waits. If Disney allowed other guests to purchase this option, then they can choose whether or not it has any value to them.
And they can. You can CHOOSE to pay for the Deluxe Resort. You can CHOOSE whether to upgrade to Concierge level. You can CHOOSE to get the VIP tour at the Park, or you can CHOOSE to pay for any number of backstage tours. None of those offerings affect the visitors who choose NOT to pay for those extras. An all-day FP would affect those visitors. If Disney offered the same FP for a fee to day visitors, then that's different. But only offering it to a select group could have a negative impact.
Disney offers what it offers, and you are demanding what they don't offer because you think because you can afford to pay for more you should get more. That's called entitlement. Especially when what you are demanding has nothing to do with what you are paying. The parks and resorts are run independently of each other.
That may be true...but those hotels aren't catering to those people at the expense of other people.
Except for the fastpasses, and as long as you work with the concierge before your trip for the ADR's, you are talking about the MYW Platinum Package. It also contains almost unlimited recreation, spa access and many other perks.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Disney can make this happen for you, but you apparently either don't know how to ask for the benefits, don't want to pay to upgrade to Concierge level rooms, and/or don't want to pay for the actual services already available to you. :animwink:
Booking a Conciege level room at a Deluxe Hotel, with the appropriate gratuities and language used with the concierge staff before your visit and during your stay, will get you VIP access to any restaurant, club, concert, or event in Central Florida.
Priority access to Fastpass attractions, easy seating at park shows and events, and entire day planning services and itinerary assistance has always been available through the Guest Relations department by booking a personal Tour Guide Host or Hostess to escort you around the parks. Celebs do it all the time, and Disney is happy to provide the service to anyone who asks and wants to pay. Club 33 here at Disneyland offers that service routinely to members, but anyone can just call up Disneyland Guest Relations and book a personal Tour Guide for 75 bucks an hour for up to 6 people in the group. Groups larger than 6 require an additional Host/Hostess at the same rate, and are not only guides but act as personal concierges during your stay. You will be tipping them over their hourly rate, of course. At Disneyland, it's all handled through the Disney Special Activities office in the Grand Californian Hotel. Trust me, I know of what I speak.
I'm sure WDW Guest Relations has similar personal tour guide options, even though they may not see as many celebs in WDW as they do at Disneyland.
The options are all there for anyone to receive perks and niceties and extra benefits and courtesies during their WDW visit. But just booking a room at the Polynesian over the Internet isn't going to turn that VIP experience on for you.
You need to pay extra for individual services, step up to Concierge level, make a few phone calls and develop a few relationships, and definitely know the right language to use and price levels that you are willing to pay to make that level of personal premium handling happen for you. It goes without saying that a good personal assistant or secretary can do this all for you before you leave home.
Disney is there waiting for you to make the first move, with your words and your wallet. :lol:
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hrcollectibles
Active Member
I too voted no... One of the perks of staying at the more expensive resorts, the bus pick up are at the parks are closer...
hrcollectibles
Active Member
And cue the Lord of the Flies music.....
""Folks down on the beach might have been doctors and accountants a month ago, but it's Lord of the Flies time now"
captainkidd
Well-Known Member
Yes, but the bus service at the deluxes is far less superior to the bus service at the Values.
the-reason14
Well-Known Member
Dont some people pay for guest relation escorts to escort them around the park? I know I've seen a few famous people with escorts, but I have also seen a few "regular" people with them too. This one group in particular got to go on TSM twice with fastpass. What kind of service is it? I've seen it many times but dont know of the official name. Is it linked with people staying on disney property more so the deluxe resorts?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Read Post #211 above for the answers please. :lol:
These special fast passes are given to guests that stay in a suite in Disney Paris.
They work wonders. You just show them to the CM and you get access to the attraction.
Other people can buy them at 130 dollar per day ,per person. A friend of mine is a CM in Paris and these VIP passes are sold like Hot Dogs.
Disney will introduce some kind of system like this in the near future in WDW I think. They can make a huge profit just by printing little cards.
I think it’s a splendid idea and we hope to benefit from it in the near future.
They work wonders. You just show them to the CM and you get access to the attraction.
Other people can buy them at 130 dollar per day ,per person. A friend of mine is a CM in Paris and these VIP passes are sold like Hot Dogs.
Disney will introduce some kind of system like this in the near future in WDW I think. They can make a huge profit just by printing little cards.
I think it’s a splendid idea and we hope to benefit from it in the near future.
Honest John
New Member
FWIW, I've seen this sentiment a bunch of times in this thread, so I'm not picking on you :animwink: ...but Disney has definitely given serious consideration to doing exactly what the OP wants.
This is my 2nd post here and both have linked to JHM, so I hope it doesn't look like I'm spamming there; it just so happens both times he's had relevant stories to the topic at hand:
http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_h...ls-that-fastpass-for-pay-is-not-far-away.aspx
A patent is just that, a patent. It's not a business plan. But if economic conditions change and they have a harder time filling the rooms at the deluxes and the Disney "whales" don't think there's enough value in their expensive room, I don't see any reason why Disney wouldn't move forward with a Fastpass-Tiered-By-Resort strategy to get them back. They've clearly thought about it, including patenting the technology to do it.
More interesting tidbits:
Keep in mind Disney DOES NOT want their whales standing in line. The attractions at the parks are a "loss-leader" for the whales. The bean counters want the big spenders in and out of Toy Story Mania as fast as possible so that the whales can get back to buying animation cells, renting boats, drinking expensive bottles of wine, paying for spa treatments, etc.
So while I think it's a nice wish that Disney won't create a caste system in the park based on things like "how much money is the guest dropping on this trip?", don't fool yourself. Disney is currently working on technology to do just that. And yes, I love Disney and the marketing spin that we're all equal and we're all chums and that to all who come to these happy places are welcome. It's comforting to think it's true.
But it's completely consistent with the company's past business practices (going right back to Walt -- see E tickets) that those with more money are more "welcome" than others, and will be treated as such, including in the parks. As others have pointed out, others in the industry (Universal) have the exact same business practice of giving resort guests park-attraction queue privileges. OP is asking for Disney to tier that perk based on the level of resort guests stay at, and Disney is considering doing just that.
gwhb75
Well-Known Member
The thing is, there already is something like this. You can pick from three tiers of resorts and four tiers of dining. The higher up in the tiers you go, the more perks you get (check out their top dining plan, it's insane all the things you get). The only thing not done that way is the parks which makes sense. For one, it would be very hard to administer at the parks, and secondly, the parks are the one thing that everyone has access to (i.e. you can choose to stay on site and get perks, you can choose to buy the dining plans, and get perks. However, everyone (not just people who stay at the resorts) go to the parks). They already have the EMH for people staying at the resorts, so there is even a benefit there. I don't think there is much else Disney can do.
Really, it's up to the person how many more perks they want to add, but it's pay as you go (e.g. Segway tours, Keys to the Kingdom, etc).
Skylinecar1982
New Member
What do you think is the most people spend in Disney is??? The term whale is reserved for people who typically spend $50,000 to $1,000,000 everytime they go to a casino. So my question is what makes you a whale at Disney??