Seven Dwarfs Mine Train Discussion

[Captain Neo]

Will Disney even greenlight the monsters inc. ride now that Fantasyland is getting Seven Dwarfs coaster? They may feel it would be redundant to open 2 family coasters so close to each other.

 

[juniorthomas]

Star Tours will definitely help. If they do a refurbishment to The Great Movie Ride and add Fastpass that could also help. Really the addition of any new Fastpass attraction will help the distribution time on Toy Story.

Thats true. Anything will help out.

And is GMR getting revamped? I feel like its the ride that is most deserving of some love in DHS, and it never gets any.

 

[juniorthomas]

Will Disney even greenlight the monsters inc. ride now that Fantasyland is getting Seven Dwarfs coaster? They may feel it would be redundant to open 2 family coasters so close to each other.

It wouldn't have to be a family coaster. And as long as they're in different parks, I bet they'd be fine with it.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Thats true. Anything will help out.

And is GMR getting revamped? I feel like its the ride that is most deserving of some love in DHS, and it never gets any.

I feel it's like the Jungle Cruise refurbishment - people know it's necessary, but it just hasn't been given the go ahead yet.

 

[juniorthomas]

I feel it's like the Jungle Cruise refurbishment - people know it's necessary, but it just hasn't been given the go ahead yet.

Yeah, good call.

And honestly, would you rather have a new ride or a ride refurb? I feel like most people would rather have the new ride, even if it means another few years of existing rides remaining flat. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing)

 

[Slowjack]

It's a good ride, and "it's just video games" seems like a weird argument to me because video games are awesome. It's popular for a reason. I just don't want to stand in that line to do it.

As someone who has made that argument, let me state for the record that I think video games are awesome, too. But I can and do play better games all the time. The 3D adds nothing to the experience for me, so it's like, why wait in line for an experience that's inferior to what I can get even in browser-based games? It's sort of like when Epcot Center first opened, Communicore had a lot of touchscreen-based exhibits. At the time, that was way cool, because almost no one had experienced a touchscreen before. Now you can get a cooler experience at an ATM (especially if it has one of those neat-o all-in-one deposit slots!), so the touchscreen exhibits at Innoventions aren't exciting.

 

[juniorthomas]

As someone who has made that argument, let me state for the record that I think video games are awesome, too. But I can and do play better games all the time. The 3D adds nothing to the experience for me, so it's like, why wait in line for an experience that's inferior to what I can get even in browser-based games? It's sort of like when Epcot Center first opened, Communicore had a lot of touchscreen-based exhibits. At the time, that was way cool, because almost no one had experienced a touchscreen before. Now you can get a cooler experience at an ATM (especially if it has one of those neat-o all-in-one deposit slots!), so the touchscreen exhibits at Innoventions aren't exciting.

I've never stopped to think about how cool ATMs are, but A+ for effort.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Yeah, good call.

And honestly, would you rather have a new ride or a ride refurb? I feel like most people would rather have the new ride, even if it means another few years of existing rides remaining flat. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing)

Yeah, it's a tough call - and for Disney it's easier to sell a new attraction than a refurbished one. The parks are unlikely going to generate additional crowds from a refurbished attraction, but they may generate a redistribution of crowds. This happened when Mansion and Pirates were refurbished. It's hard to measure this in a park like the Magic Kingdom though where it's easier to absorb the downtime on those types of attractions.

Having said that, I think they can sell an Expedition Everest refurbishment. Close it for the necessary time frame re-open it with a repaired Yeti (or another element that's equally as thrilling) and additional elements to enhance the ride. If they sell the refurbishment as adding new elements in addition to repairing the broken Yeti it may help justify the down time.

As someone who has made that argument, let me state for the record that I think video games are awesome, too. But I can and do play better games all the time. The 3D adds nothing to the experience for me, so it's like, why wait in line for an experience that's inferior to what I can get even in browser-based games? It's sort of like when Epcot Center first opened, Communicore had a lot of touchscreen-based exhibits. At the time, that was way cool, because almost no one had experienced a touchscreen before. Now you can get a cooler experience at an ATM (especially if it has one of those neat-o all-in-one deposit slots!), so the touchscreen exhibits at Innoventions aren't exciting.

I think part of the appeal of Toy Story Mania and Space Ranger Spin is that it gets people that typically wouldn't be playing video games to join those that might be playing video games. In terms of complexity from a gaming standpoint, they are relatively basic, but I certainly feel they have a place in the parks. An avid gamer that's on Toy Story Mania for the first time is going to have little to no trouble figuring it out, while a Disney fan like myself that doesn't play many video games will slowly build up his score over multiple rides.

I think the game based attractions have a spot in the parks, and wouldn't be surprised to see additional ones be developed in the future.

 

[Slowjack]

I think part of the appeal of Toy Story Mania and Space Ranger Spin is that it gets people that typically wouldn't be playing video games to join those that might be playing video games. In terms of complexity from a gaming standpoint, they are relatively basic, but I certainly feel they have a place in the parks. An avid gamer that's on Toy Story Mania for the first time is going to have little to no trouble figuring it out, while a Disney fan like myself that doesn't play many video games will slowly build up his score over multiple rides.

I think the game based attractions have a spot in the parks, and wouldn't be surprised to see additional ones be developed in the future.

Well, Buzz is a game, but it's not a video game. Don't get me wrong, both attractions are okay, but Buzz is giving me something I can't do at home, or on a phone. I guess my biggest problem with Midway Mania is that it's so expensive, and for me is a lackluster experience. I enjoy Buzz more, and it was a relatively cheap overlay of an old ride. I don't have a problem some attractions being games, I just feel like Midway Mania is a very elaborate way to have me interact with a computer screen in a very basic way (same problem I have with the ending of Spaceship Earth).

 

[Slowjack]

I've never stopped to think about how cool ATMs are, but A+ for effort.

Have you used one of those new deposit slots, the ones where you can just shove in all your checks in one big stack and it figures out the dollar amount of the deposit? I wouldn't exactly call it an E-ticket, but it's more impressive than anything in I saw in Innoventions when I visited last month.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Well, Buzz is a game, but it's not a video game. Don't get me wrong, both attractions are okay, but Buzz is giving me something I can't do at home, or on a phone. I guess my biggest problem with Midway Mania is that it's so expensive, and for me is a lackluster experience. I enjoy Buzz more, and it was a relatively cheap overlay of an old ride. I don't have a problem some attractions being games, I just feel like Midway Mania is a very elaborate way to have me interact with a computer screen in a very basic way (same problem I have with the ending of Spaceship Earth).

I think Men In Black is probably the most thorough of these types of rides in Central Florida, but I think this is a scenario where the franchise does matter. I enjoyed the Men in Black movies but not as much as the Toy Story franchise. I think Men in Black Alien Attack is the only one of these types of rides that could be considered an E-Ticket.

 

[juniorthomas]

Yeah, it's a tough call - and for Disney it's easier to sell a new attraction than a refurbished one. The parks are unlikely going to generate additional crowds from a refurbished attraction, but they may generate a redistribution of crowds. This happened when Mansion and Pirates were refurbished. It's hard to measure this in a park like the Magic Kingdom though where it's easier to absorb the downtime on those types of attractions.

Having said that, I think they can sell an Expedition Everest refurbishment. Close it for the necessary time frame re-open it with a repaired Yeti (or another element that's equally as thrilling) and additional elements to enhance the ride. If they sell the refurbishment as adding new elements in addition to repairing the broken Yeti it may help justify the down time.

And the only way they sold the refurb on Pirates was because they had a movie franchise to support it. It took them years to put money into that ride, and only did when they had a way to get some of their money back.

I don't know if I see them renovating EE anytime soon. Loads of people have been on the ride that probably had no idea the yeti was supposed to do something. Without Moto Yeti, the ride is still really fun. They wouldn't be able to justify one of the biggest parts of DAK being down if only to repair something most people (but lets be honest, not anyone on this forum) had no idea about.

 

[juniorthomas]

Have you used one of those new deposit slots, the ones where you can just shove in all your checks in one big stack and it figures out the dollar amount of the deposit? I wouldn't exactly call it an E-ticket, but it's more impressive than anything in I saw in Innoventions when I visited last month.

Hahaha. Classic. They'll be a C-ticket for sure.

 

[juniorthomas]

I think Men In Black is probably the most thorough of these types of rides in Central Florida, but I think this is a scenario where the franchise does matter. I enjoyed the Men in Black movies but not as much as the Toy Story franchise. I think Men in Black Alien Attack is the only one of these types of rides that could be considered an E-Ticket.

Toy Story Midway Mania is at DCA. Toy Story Mania is at DHS.

 

[Brian_WDW74]

Toy Story Midway Mania is at DCA. Toy Story Mania is at DHS.

It's actually called Toy Story Midway Mania on both coasts.

 

[juniorthomas]

It's actually called Toy Story Midway Mania on both coasts.

I got owned.

Though it would seem WDW's website got owned as well: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/hollywood-studios/attractions/toy-story-mania/

 

[Krack]

I got owned.

Though it would seem WDW's website got owned as well: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/hollywood-studios/attractions/toy-story-mania/

I believe it's a situation where WDI built "Toy Story Midway Mania" on both coasts and whoever is in marketing for Orlando decided the Midway wasn't acceptable (probably because it makes it sounds like it was themed for California's boardwalk and cloned in Orlando) and just decided not to use it.

I actually prefer the Orlando name (nobody other than Disneyphiles trying to sound like they no more than the average guest, uses the Midway when they are talking about the attraction and I bet more than 75% of guests just say "Why is the line for Toy Story so long?"), but I don't think it makes a big deal either way.

 

[Brian_WDW74]

I got owned.

Though it would seem WDW's website got owned as well: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/hollywood-studios/attractions/toy-story-mania/

Heh. No problem, because DCA's website also uses the shorter name:
http://disneyland.disney.go.com/dis...story-mania/?name=ToyStoryManiaAttractionPage

As Krack said, the prevailing explanation is that WDI wanted the full name for both attractions, while the marketing folks thought that the shorter name would work better on merchandise. So we're stuck with both.

 

[juniorthomas]

Heh. No problem, because DCA's website also uses the shorter name:
http://disneyland.disney.go.com/dis...story-mania/?name=ToyStoryManiaAttractionPage

As Krack said, the prevailing explanation is that WDI wanted the full name for both attractions, while the marketing folks thought that the shorter name would work better on merchandise. So we're stuck with both.

That sounds like the decision of a large corporation all right.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Toy Story Mania vs. Toy Story Midway Mania is a marketing issue, nothing more.