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Secret Invasion (Marvel Disney+ Series)
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ParkPeeker
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call it what it is DIRTY
Could you please use words that aren't loaded with metaphor/simile for what exactly is the issue.
If you were in a court of law suing someone, your case would be dismissed if all you said was, "your honor, what they did was gross."
What is the issue?
And don't refer me to a book (I think) that isn't published yet.
Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
I really do not understand the "slow burn" commentary. This is a spy/espionage thriller, it should have moments that work and build towards something. That's the point.
And frankly, I didn't really find it slow, what does slow mean? Is it meant to be action 24/7? Is that the only thing that results in something not feeling slow?
This first episode had story, drama, tension, and intrigue. They setup the world, motivations and stakes. And it all built towards an epic and emotional finale.
And frankly, I didn't really find it slow, what does slow mean? Is it meant to be action 24/7? Is that the only thing that results in something not feeling slow?
This first episode had story, drama, tension, and intrigue. They setup the world, motivations and stakes. And it all built towards an epic and emotional finale.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
I'm glad to see Nick Fury get some attention. He kind of disappeared. I thought he would have had a role in Endgame.
Marvel shows suffer a bit I suppose because the audience wants action adventure on a scale that a streaming budget isn't going to provide.
WandaVision spoiled us I think because it was the perfect use of streaming. It told a story in the MCU but one that was uniquely suited to episodic television as an homage to classic TV with a new variation every week.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was effective too in that TV allowed them to do a show that explored social issues, freeing them up to focus on action in the movie follow-up. It still may have suffered a bit from the perception of being "too small" for a MCU show.
Marvel shows suffer a bit I suppose because the audience wants action adventure on a scale that a streaming budget isn't going to provide.
WandaVision spoiled us I think because it was the perfect use of streaming. It told a story in the MCU but one that was uniquely suited to episodic television as an homage to classic TV with a new variation every week.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was effective too in that TV allowed them to do a show that explored social issues, freeing them up to focus on action in the movie follow-up. It still may have suffered a bit from the perception of being "too small" for a MCU show.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
This is a personally opinion, but I tend to find a lot of TV these days too slow because they've loss the tendency to do actual individual episodes and every is just part of a season long arc. I think the Marvel shows are would be more interesting with some sort of "monster of the week" type compact storylines while there being a season long thing in the background that is being built towards. The Mandalorian season 1 was excellent at this for example and I think it contributed to its popularity.
I suppose in this case though there was something like that with the dirty bombs and them going off (with surprisingly little casualties though it seems).
Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
Right, so very much a style thing. I don't love episodic stuff. I'm more of a grand overall story, spread out through episodes.
Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc. That's my vibe.
I'm okay with some episodic stuff mixed in, but I really want it to be story driven, like a really long movie.
ParkPeeker
Well-Known Member
You’re in the thread that below was posted in, stop pretending like you didn’t see this
That intro used illustrations, yet no illustrators were part of the process. Instead AI was used (which cannot work without the training data of millions of pieces of stolen art). Jobs were lost. All kinds of artists have already been replaced in the past year, but something like MCU, that’s huge and worrying. If they manage to convince the public this is all ethical/fine, it’s gunna be bad. (Worse than the bad it’s been already been for artists)
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So do people really like killing established, likeable characters?
…cause I’m starting to not dig it
…cause I’m starting to not dig it
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
If they don't kill them outright (Han Solo), they character assassinate them instead (Indiana Jones).
That was no way to treat that character being gunned down in the streets after everything she did in the MCU.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Now now…it might be spectacular and it’s just everyone who’s already seen it is drunk…
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Was Maria Hill really that known outside of hard core fans?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
She was in about 8 movies…she was likable…played a strong small character…recognized…
Similar to the Sharon carter role.
Silly to off anyone that is decent right now…since the kids are not gonna be keen on “kang vs the leftovers”
But I’m never gonna convince you…just watch it play.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
She was a good side character not debating that, I'm just saying I don't think she was really known by the masses outside of the hard core fans.
You're usually the one arguing the point about the masses not knowing the lesser side characters, ie the fringes.
Oh how the tables have turned....
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
She was on one of the biggest profile sitcoms for about 8 years leading in…
People like what they know…
Better?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
She's recognizable I agree, again not arguing that point.
I'm just saying that she isn't likely to be one of the characters the general public remembers from the MCU. If you ask Joe 6 Pack who the girl from How I Met Your Mother played in the MCU they'll likely say "who?". Trust me I'm in the fringes of the MCU, and I'm a fan of Cobie, but even I have to admit she wasn't a high profile character that the general public would know off the top of their head.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
She’s a supporting character…no doubt
Just a likeable one. Offing her for a series that will likely lead to not much is similar to sucking Akbar out of a window…I fear?
She was a pretty significant character in age of ultron and particularly winter soldier…which is still the betting choice for best MCU movie
Disney Irish
Premium Member
We'll see, but I don't think it'll have the impact with the general MCU audience that you think it will.
Also its comic stories they can always bring her back, they already have a precedence in the MCU of bringing characters back from the dead as needed, ie Coulson (even if not officially acknowledged).
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
I'm not a fan of killing off important characters. You never know when an opportunity will arise to use them again.
A classic example is killing of Captain Kirk because the powers that be possibly thought his continued existence would undermine their desire to focus on the newer casts.
Then the hugely successful reboot came along, the opportunity was there, and we were denied seeing Shatner and Nimoy on screen together again.
You can pass the torch without closing the door.
As the person behind the most recent season of Star Trek Picard said, it's hard to have a genuinely satisfying and heroic death scene for a major/beloved character.
They pulled it off with Iron Man. Does a comic book character death even count? With multiverses and time travel they could bring back Downey Jr. if all involved really wanted to.
Having said all that, it is a cliche that characters in shows and movies almost never die. Killing off a character on occasion can add a sense of believability and tension otherwise missing. Maria Hill is also not a significant enough character to be truly missed or whose absence will be felt in the greater MCU.
A classic example is killing of Captain Kirk because the powers that be possibly thought his continued existence would undermine their desire to focus on the newer casts.
Then the hugely successful reboot came along, the opportunity was there, and we were denied seeing Shatner and Nimoy on screen together again.
You can pass the torch without closing the door.
As the person behind the most recent season of Star Trek Picard said, it's hard to have a genuinely satisfying and heroic death scene for a major/beloved character.
They pulled it off with Iron Man. Does a comic book character death even count? With multiverses and time travel they could bring back Downey Jr. if all involved really wanted to.
Having said all that, it is a cliche that characters in shows and movies almost never die. Killing off a character on occasion can add a sense of believability and tension otherwise missing. Maria Hill is also not a significant enough character to be truly missed or whose absence will be felt in the greater MCU.