Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
I’m loving it.
It obviously depends on what things appeal to people, but this is in my bottom two of D+ MCU shows along with Falcon & the Winter Soldier. My current ratings are probably:
WandaVision
Loki
Ms. Marvel
Moon Knight
She-Hulk
Hawkeye
What If...?
Secret Invasion
Falcon & the Winter Soldier
I fully expect Echo to be terrible and at the bottom of the list. I have hopes for generally all the other planned series for D+ but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I find their TV shows to be uneven and missing out on their potential. I still firmly believe that a problem is not treating them like actual TV shows and having episodes being at least somewhat self contained rather than having series function like a 6 hour movie broken into somewhat arbitrary portions.
Yeah it’s one of those things where it’s like they didn’t want to pay someone to do a cameo. It’s hard to explain and story away that he “doesn’t want to call for help” when he has some of the most powerful people on the planet on speed dial.My only complaint with Secret Invasion is that Skrulls are given too much power, and why won’t Nick just call someone? At least for advice…
I feel like Captain Marvel might make a cameo appearance in the final episode. Maybe even as just a post credit scene. They name checking for her the last episode seemed a little out of the blue.Yeah it’s one of those things where it’s like they didn’t want to pay someone to do a cameo. It’s hard to explain and story away that he “doesn’t want to call for help” when he has some of the most powerful people on the planet on speed dial.
A tie-in to the upcoming movie would make sense.I feel like Captain Marvel might make a cameo appearance in the final episode. Maybe even as just a post credit scene. They name checking for her the last episode seemed a little out of the blue.
Those Skrull shape shifter effects aren't cheap.....Wait a sec . .
I just read that these six episodes cost the company $200M+?
Say it ain't so.
Yes and no.I think the fact that people's lists are all very different is a success of a kind - there's something for everyone.
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I wonder if that's why Ant-Man 3 had issues compared to 1 and 2.Yes and no.
The problem is, in this interconnected MCU where, as a fan, you feel you need to watch everything or be left behind in a story, having to sit through stuff you don't like and might otherwise abandon just to make sure you understand everything in the next show or movie is kind of frustrating.
It's an interesting problem and I don't really blame them because it isn't like they had an existing playbook to figure this all out once they started building the MCU. I guess, if anything, it's impressive that it's taken until after End Game for this to really start to become a serious issue for them in term of fan response.
As someone keeping up all along, I think the main problem with Quantumania was just Quantomania.I wonder if that's why Ant-Man 3 had issues compared to 1 and 2.
I don't know how many people are like me, but I watched 1 and 2 without ever seeing an Avengers movie. The only reason I didn't see 3 in theaters was because I thought I was going to be lost. I heard about how tied in it was to the Avengers movies, and decided to sit it out.
I saw it on Disney + and I had heard enough to understand the references to Avengers (Thanos.) That made me want to go back and watch the Avengers movies, which I did, and now all the other stuff.
I feel like the Marvel movies are getting progressively less realistic also.As someone keeping up all along, I think the main problem with Quantumania was just Quantomania.
It was a very different movie tonally from the other two and lacked a lot of what made them work despite having the same leads and the same director. I have a feeling this one fell victim to the world-building they felt they needed to do to set up thee future non-ant man movies tied to Kang.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but the stories the MCU were based off of has always been about being less about "our" world and more about being the world of the "fantastical". Even the world that feels like "ours" is just a stylized version of "our" world, it never really tried to be realistic.I feel like the Marvel movies are getting progressively less realistic also.
Ironman 1 he literally built his suit out of scrap metal and missile parts and then fine tuned the concept once he returned home. The tech was pretty fantastical but still felt like it was grounded in reality.
Captain America was based on physically altering biology, fantastical but also felt realistic.
Even something as wild as the aliens in Guardians and Avengers still felt like they could exist in our world.
With the last few shows being about alternate universes, alternate timelines, and metaverses I think it’s kind of lost that feeling of being “our” world.
Fair point. I absolutely would have given up on a few of these if I didn't feel the need to keep up. As it is, I'm questioning whether I even want to watch What If? season 2 as the first was so depressing. But I'm worried about missing some small detail of the wider tapestry so...Yes and no.
The problem is, in this interconnected MCU where, as a fan, you feel you need to watch everything or be left behind in a story, having to sit through stuff you don't like and might otherwise abandon just to make sure you understand everything in the next show or movie is kind of frustrating.
That makes letting different writers and directors try their own spin on things a risky proposition when you've still got to appeal to your core audience.
It's an interesting problem and I don't really blame them because it isn't like they had an existing playbook to figure this all out once they started building the MCU. I guess, if anything, it's impressive that it's taken until after End Game for this to really start to become a serious issue for them in term of audience pushback.
and at that point, it starts to feel more like unpaid work than entertainment, doesn't it? :/Fair point. I absolutely would have given up on a few of these if I didn't feel the need to keep up. As it is, I'm questioning whether I even want to watch What If? season 2 as the first was so depressing. But I'm worried about missing some small detail of the wider tapestry so...
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