Secret Invasion (Marvel Disney+ Series)

Vegas Disney Fan

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It obviously depends on what things appeal to people, but this is in my bottom two of D+ MCU shows along with Falcon & the Winter Soldier. My current ratings are probably:

WandaVision
Loki
Ms. Marvel
Moon Knight
She-Hulk
Hawkeye
What If...?
Secret Invasion
Falcon & the Winter Soldier

I fully expect Echo to be terrible and at the bottom of the list. I have hopes for generally all the other planned series for D+ but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I find their TV shows to be uneven and missing out on their potential. I still firmly believe that a problem is not treating them like actual TV shows and having episodes being at least somewhat self contained rather than having series function like a 6 hour movie broken into somewhat arbitrary portions.

Seeing them written out like that it’s not surprising they’re going to have hits and misses with different people, they’re all Marvel but they are as different as they could be.

My list would be…

Wandavision
Loki
Secret Invasion
Falcon Winter Soldier
Hawkeye
What If
She Hulk
Moon Knight
Ms Marvel

The last two were the only ones I’d say I didn’t actually like though, I found Moon Knight too bizarre for my taste and Ms Marvel was too slow for my taste, I lost interest and never did finish it.
 

DisneyFanatic12

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Moon Knight was crazy, but in a good way. I like Secret Invasion. It’s unique and fun. Then again, I guess I don’t consume that much content in a day, so my expectations might be a little low for entertainment 🤣.
 

MagicHappens1971

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My only complaint with Secret Invasion is that Skrulls are given too much power, and why won’t Nick just call someone? At least for advice…
Yeah it’s one of those things where it’s like they didn’t want to pay someone to do a cameo. It’s hard to explain and story away that he “doesn’t want to call for help” when he has some of the most powerful people on the planet on speed dial.
 

doctornick

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Yeah it’s one of those things where it’s like they didn’t want to pay someone to do a cameo. It’s hard to explain and story away that he “doesn’t want to call for help” when he has some of the most powerful people on the planet on speed dial.
I feel like Captain Marvel might make a cameo appearance in the final episode. Maybe even as just a post credit scene. They name checking for her the last episode seemed a little out of the blue.
 

Hawkeye_2018

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Hawkeye and F&WS have easily been the most fun D+ shows. WandaVision was pretty good until they botched the finale. Overall, I'm fairly disappointed with the MCU shows. I'll eventually watch this, probably will play better as a binge.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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I think the fact that people's lists are all very different is a success of a kind - there's something for everyone.

My list would be:

Great:
GOTG Holiday Special

Really good:
Ms. Marvel
Falcon & the Winter Soldier

Had some good moments but were inconsistent in quality/storytelling:
WandaVision
Moon Knight
Hawkeye
Loki
Werewolf by Night

Meh:
Secret Invasion
What If...? (loved the animation; show was too depressing other than the Party Thor episode)
























Ugh:
She-Hulk
 

Tony the Tigger

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I dug it.

For perspective: I got tired of the MCU when it had barely begun. I watched selectively. Bored with Iron Man 2, couldn’t get through Captain America without falling asleep. Several times. Wandavision caught my attention. Guardians and Ant-Man were more my speed. The last Ant-Man made me want to go back and watch the avengers movies. We started there.

We had nothing to watch for the past couple of months, so we pretty much watched them all to fill in the blanks. Still have to do the rest of the Thor movies, Iron-Man 3, and Guardians 3. Puzzling it all together.

But I literally had to break Captain America up into four separate parts so I could force myself to stay awake.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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I found the finale a bit anticlimactic, the Fury switch was fairly predictable and it seemed far to easy to kill the leader who had just acquired the powers of all the superheroes. (Basically two immortals fighting each other.)

Still enjoyed it though, I think it could have benefited from a couple more episodes to flesh it out though.
 

MrPromey

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I think the fact that people's lists are all very different is a success of a kind - there's something for everyone.

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Yes and no.

The problem is, in this interconnected MCU where, as a fan, you feel you need to watch everything or be left behind in a story, having to sit through stuff you don't like and might otherwise abandon just to make sure you understand everything in the next show or movie is kind of frustrating.

That makes letting different writers and directors try their own spin on things a risky proposition when you've still got to appeal to your core audience.

It's an interesting problem and I don't really blame them because it isn't like they had an existing playbook to figure this all out once they started building the MCU. I guess, if anything, it's impressive that it's taken until after End Game for this to really start to become a serious issue for them in term of audience pushback.
 
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Tony the Tigger

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Yes and no.

The problem is, in this interconnected MCU where, as a fan, you feel you need to watch everything or be left behind in a story, having to sit through stuff you don't like and might otherwise abandon just to make sure you understand everything in the next show or movie is kind of frustrating.

It's an interesting problem and I don't really blame them because it isn't like they had an existing playbook to figure this all out once they started building the MCU. I guess, if anything, it's impressive that it's taken until after End Game for this to really start to become a serious issue for them in term of fan response.
I wonder if that's why Ant-Man 3 had issues compared to 1 and 2.

I don't know how many people are like me, but I watched 1 and 2 without ever seeing an Avengers movie. The only reason I didn't see 3 in theaters was because I thought I was going to be lost. I heard about how tied in it was to the Avengers movies, and decided to sit it out.

I saw it on Disney + and I had heard enough to understand the references to Avengers (Thanos.) That made me want to go back and watch the Avengers movies, which I did, and now all the other stuff.
 

MrPromey

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I wonder if that's why Ant-Man 3 had issues compared to 1 and 2.

I don't know how many people are like me, but I watched 1 and 2 without ever seeing an Avengers movie. The only reason I didn't see 3 in theaters was because I thought I was going to be lost. I heard about how tied in it was to the Avengers movies, and decided to sit it out.

I saw it on Disney + and I had heard enough to understand the references to Avengers (Thanos.) That made me want to go back and watch the Avengers movies, which I did, and now all the other stuff.
As someone keeping up all along, I think the main problem with Quantumania was just Quantomania.

It was a very different movie tonally from the other two and lacked a lot of what made them work despite having the same leads and the same director. I have a feeling this one fell victim to the world-building they felt they needed to do to set up the future non-ant man movies tied to Kang.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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As someone keeping up all along, I think the main problem with Quantumania was just Quantomania.

It was a very different movie tonally from the other two and lacked a lot of what made them work despite having the same leads and the same director. I have a feeling this one fell victim to the world-building they felt they needed to do to set up thee future non-ant man movies tied to Kang.
I feel like the Marvel movies are getting progressively less realistic also.

Ironman 1 he literally built his suit out of scrap metal and missile parts and then fine tuned the concept once he returned home. The tech was pretty fantastical but still felt like it was grounded in reality.

Captain America was based on physically altering biology, fantastical but also felt realistic.
Even something as wild as the aliens in Guardians and Avengers still felt like they could exist in our world.

With the last few shows being about alternate universes, alternate timelines, and metaverses I think it’s kind of lost that feeling of being “our” world.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I feel like the Marvel movies are getting progressively less realistic also.

Ironman 1 he literally built his suit out of scrap metal and missile parts and then fine tuned the concept once he returned home. The tech was pretty fantastical but still felt like it was grounded in reality.

Captain America was based on physically altering biology, fantastical but also felt realistic.
Even something as wild as the aliens in Guardians and Avengers still felt like they could exist in our world.

With the last few shows being about alternate universes, alternate timelines, and metaverses I think it’s kind of lost that feeling of being “our” world.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but the stories the MCU were based off of has always been about being less about "our" world and more about being the world of the "fantastical". Even the world that feels like "ours" is just a stylized version of "our" world, it never really tried to be realistic.

I think more the issue some such as maybe yourself is having is the story has moved from being more "earth" based and more being cosmic, universal, and time based. Which may turn some off, as they could no longer see themselves in the story since its no longer taking place on earth.

Anyways, that is my take on it.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Yes and no.

The problem is, in this interconnected MCU where, as a fan, you feel you need to watch everything or be left behind in a story, having to sit through stuff you don't like and might otherwise abandon just to make sure you understand everything in the next show or movie is kind of frustrating.

That makes letting different writers and directors try their own spin on things a risky proposition when you've still got to appeal to your core audience.

It's an interesting problem and I don't really blame them because it isn't like they had an existing playbook to figure this all out once they started building the MCU. I guess, if anything, it's impressive that it's taken until after End Game for this to really start to become a serious issue for them in term of audience pushback.
Fair point. I absolutely would have given up on a few of these if I didn't feel the need to keep up. As it is, I'm questioning whether I even want to watch What If? season 2 as the first was so depressing. But I'm worried about missing some small detail of the wider tapestry so...
 

MrPromey

Well-Known Member
Fair point. I absolutely would have given up on a few of these if I didn't feel the need to keep up. As it is, I'm questioning whether I even want to watch What If? season 2 as the first was so depressing. But I'm worried about missing some small detail of the wider tapestry so...
and at that point, it starts to feel more like unpaid work than entertainment, doesn't it? :/
 

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