POLY LOVER
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It's just an accident what should WDW do, what are you looking for them to do?
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Scooter accident
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rob0519
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If there were injuries I would expect them to fill out the appropriate accident reports for the resort and contact the police to come fill out a formal accident report to use for insurance purposes. It should be no different than any motorized vehicle injuring a pedestrian in aparking lot. If there are no injuries, I do not expect them to do anything.
morningstar
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Then the solution is simple: leave more than a dime worth of space between you and the nearest person in front of you.
But Disney park walkways are not streets. There are not traffic signals or stop signs, and you should not have to come to a complete stop every time they intersect. Do look where you are going - call it defensive walking - but your only real responsibility is not to walk into somebody, not to watch out for anybody about to walk or drive into you.
I'm not against scooters, I just want their drivers to drive them better.
morningstar
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I went with a friend who used a scooter. He didn't rent it from Disney, but had it delivered to our resort. When we picked it up from the resort, they did have us give it a five-minute test drive. That is a good policy. So you see they are trying to do something.
The rental companies should probably build liability insurance into the rental charge. Disney should require them to if they want to provide scooters to Disney visitors. The scooters should have "license plates" so people can identify them to police in case of any hit and run.
Smiley/OCD
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It's been about 3 years that I rented one off property...maybe they do and it's included in the price...I can't find the contract.
It's not quite that simple. If you leave enough space, say 6 to 10 inches, and a person will jump in the space!
Many have the scooter company name on them as well as a 3 digit serial number on the front, just above the basket. Not all have the serial number in that location, it depends on the model.
Goofyernmost
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And I want the uncaring, brain dead pedestrians to look where they are going, not stop dead on a fast moving walkway and pull their self centered, heads out of their collective butts. That isn't going to happen either. In the meantime play the cards that we are dealt and pay attention in an effort to protect yourselves from unintentional harm.
BrianV
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Goofyernmost
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No, that is an almost intentional condition. ADA doesn't cover make-believe, self imposed maladies.Doesn't the ADA apply to the "brain dead" too?
BrianV
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Like obesity? Just joking!!!!...I'm pretty sure nothing left to say other than: Drivers, be careful of pedestrians. Pedestrians, watch out for drivers. And have fun in Disney world. Next month can't come soon enough!No, that is an almost intentional condition. ADA doesn't cover make-believe, self imposed maladies.
Goofyernmost
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I know you are just "kinda" joking about the obesity situation. I don't know a single obese person that woke up one morning and said to themselves... I think I will get fat today. There are more factors involved with obesity then there are obese people. The presumption that a thin person is thin just because they have will power or have done something superior to stay that way are just kidding themselves. And they best be careful, because it might be coming to them before long and then they will understand.
BrianV
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All I know is I agree with you. Our country is becoming more obese and brain-dead at an alarming rate. Why, I can't say.
jloucks
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It is no different than operating a vehicle on a roadway. You are supposed to leave 2 car lengths between you and the car in front of you. If a car cuts in front, and they will (jerks), you have to slow down and add two car lengths again.
Or
Don't. ...and be too close and run a higher risk of a rear end collision in which you are almost certainly going to be found liable. Tailgating while hyper aware sorta works, but emphasis on hyper aware.
Same thing with running a (smaller) vehicle on a sidewalk. Yes, it is going to be painfully slow to be safe. No, you cannot drive faster safely. No the pedestrians don't have a responsibility to look out for you any more than the car in front of you on the freeway has a responsibility to look out for the tailgater.
There is no right of way on a sidewalk. So it is 100% liability to the rammer. Sure, a pedestrian could rear end a sidewalk vehicle. But in that scenario the pedestrian is ramming, and is at fault.
People walk into each other all the time too. Fortunately people are usually soft, squishy, and flexible. Injuries happen, sure, but add a vehicle (not squishy or flexible) to the mix and it gets real dangerous real fast. Kids and old people have issues just walking in the same places (kids are the problem in this scenario), putting some of them in vehicles expands the issue.
Sidewalk drivers have zero right to demand, or even expect, pedestrians to look out for vehicles on the sidewalk. That is dangerously flawed logic.
danyoung56
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The calculation I was taught was 1 car length for each 10 mph. So if you're going 60, that's 6 car lengths. Not always possible, but not a bad habit to develop.
jloucks
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Oh I know why.
Obesity = Caloric intake. Sure there are exceptions as to the controllability, but it's still calories. America is a world leader in obesity (yay!). Are we that different than the other 7 billion people out there? Reaally? Our biology is the same. India seems to have the problem under control. Seems kinda like a first world problem that includes a lot of excuses and finger pointing. Personal responsibility is old fashioned. I find this debate personally annoying because I have to pay close attention to what I eat or I'll get fat(ter). ...which means I am jealously watching what others eat and I know what fat people eat. It ain't salads. I know because I want what they are eating. Yes, I am technically obese, but could go morbidly in a heartbeat if I stopped with the self control.
Oh, and because of how much I control my intake, I disagree with the notion people don't wake up and decide to get fat. Every breakfast donut, every bagel, every French toast with syrup is a yes vote to get fat. Every look in the mirror is a report card on your progress towards obesity ...or a healthy physical condition. My father in law is almost 70, looks 45, and is mega healthy. This was no accident. Avoiding obesity is work, and it stinks. Choices.
Brian dead = Entitlement and Darwinian breeding. Brain dead is easily interpreted as a deficit of cognitive ability when really people just don't care. On the flip side, smart people are having less kids while the morons are outbreeding them 10 to 1.
Obesity = Caloric intake. Sure there are exceptions as to the controllability, but it's still calories. America is a world leader in obesity (yay!). Are we that different than the other 7 billion people out there? Reaally? Our biology is the same. India seems to have the problem under control. Seems kinda like a first world problem that includes a lot of excuses and finger pointing. Personal responsibility is old fashioned. I find this debate personally annoying because I have to pay close attention to what I eat or I'll get fat(ter). ...which means I am jealously watching what others eat and I know what fat people eat. It ain't salads. I know because I want what they are eating. Yes, I am technically obese, but could go morbidly in a heartbeat if I stopped with the self control.
Oh, and because of how much I control my intake, I disagree with the notion people don't wake up and decide to get fat. Every breakfast donut, every bagel, every French toast with syrup is a yes vote to get fat. Every look in the mirror is a report card on your progress towards obesity ...or a healthy physical condition. My father in law is almost 70, looks 45, and is mega healthy. This was no accident. Avoiding obesity is work, and it stinks. Choices.
Brian dead = Entitlement and Darwinian breeding. Brain dead is easily interpreted as a deficit of cognitive ability when really people just don't care. On the flip side, smart people are having less kids while the morons are outbreeding them 10 to 1.
I wasn't presenting logic or demands, I was presenting a matter of fact, this is how it is. You leave space, people jump in. Leave more space, more people jump in. It isn't even a matter of "jumping in" - they don't see the ECV or wheelchair, they see a gap, just like they would with a gap between people, so they fill it.
I do slow down, I am an excellent ECV driver, very hyper-aware, in 9 years I have tapped one pedestrian pretty gently on the back of the calf because I had too many items in my hands and was trying to drive. Oh, and I almost never drive on the sidewalk, not sure why you are fixated on that.
Again, I challenge ANYONE here who is telling ECV drivers how to drive to rent one for a day and spend the entire day in it and driving through the crowds in the MK.
jloucks
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In a weird way, you shouldn't be arguing. You are driving safely and are not the problem (a non injury bump is a non issue) I have zero issue with you, personally, on the pedestrian walkways (ok, I won't say sidewalks) because you are safe, patient, and know what you are doing.
You cannot speak for all tho. Many are dangerous. Many get hurt. It is a problem. Maybe the solution is whatever you did to be competent. Make whatever that is apply to all. I wish I had a perfect solution.
On edit: I would never rent a scooter. No experience, dangerous, and the liability scares me.
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tractor tipper
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We were taught 3 seconds. Pick a spot on the road and count. Works for any speed in a car. Haven't tried it for walking or handicapped scooter.
jloucks
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Maybe this is why I am always slammin on my brakes.
