Say.... What if Avatarland got cancelled?

Lee

Lee

Adventurer
NoChesterHester said:
Mostly indoor... If I remember right the Cowboys Statium enclosed approximately 13 acres of land.

Just saying... It is a big expensive building, but it is definitely possible. Clear span even.
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An indoor portion for Avatar is quite possible...but nothing anywhere near that size. WAY cost prohibitive.
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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jt04 said:
Sorry, I just do not believe it until we have it confirmed by Disney or someone with a track record like Steve or Raven or Martin.
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raven said:
There's my cue!

Avatar will largely be an indoors section of the park (and it isn't going where everyone THINKS it's going). :animwink:

Animal Kingdom is getting some major love in the next several years to help convert it into a full-day park (including night).
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Yes. If it doesn't come from one of them, I tend to stop believing what my peeps are telling me and saying they're full of pooh :rolleyes:

And, raven, I don't think anyone doubts that WHEN OR IF Avatar gets built it will be an almost entirely indoors experience (see Mermaid Lagoon at TDS for a small idea of what can be done) ... as to where most people think it's going, where is that? I've heard all sorts of locations and 'splanations. And since your employer has no problem with you spilling the beans on what you post, I'm sure they don't care if you simply tell us where the mythical (so far in more ways than one) land is being built. What harm could there be? This isn't like leaking old plans for rehabbing attractions that have been bandied about for years if not longer.

Not to be disrespectful of your insider status, but what kind of love is DAK getting ... surely, you can drip a little here!

~Hey, Lee ... that burrito is sounding better by the post!~
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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MKCP 1985 said:
WDW1974, keep grinding that axe and pushing that agenda. If that doesn't work, try labeling people with uncomplimentary tags.
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So, what axe am I grinding and what agenda am I pushing and to what end?

MKCP 1985 said:
I'm putting my money on the raven. Sorry. :shrug:
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The raven squawks what his corporate leaders either ask him to leak or simply allow him to leak to gauge fan community interest. Otherwise, he'd have long since had to sign an NDA and he'd be unemployed today.

I'm guessing he conveniently came across some DAK 'plans' that were left in a place where he could gaze upon them with wonderment and then spread the word here where there's a thread that was started by a well-respected poster (who isn't even me ... or Lee ... or the god-like Martin:wave:) about Avatar's problems that led to Bob Iger doing some major squirming at the recent shareholders meeting.

~I wish more of you understood the business. Really!~
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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raven said:
2016 is the projected date for Avatar. And "breaking ground" won't happen until around 2014.
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Sure.

Keep telling them that.

That date keeps getting later. Internally, they were hoping to break ground on this by late 2012/early 2013 ... folks in Glendale said that was pushed to mid 2013 before Christmas and now late 2013. You're talking 2014 ... about when Staggs should be taking over for Iger.

~Yeah, this is happening ... sure it is ... and 'D' is just a kind old dude!~
 
GrumpyFan

GrumpyFan

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WDW1974 said:
In reality, they have nothing ... nothing of substance.

~Can I get on the boat tomorrow?~
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I hate to say it, but this wouldn't really surprise me. While the movie itself was visually stunning and the story somewhat entertaining, it has several issues that I think make it difficult to re-create in a real-world/theme park setting. The biggest issue I see with it is the antagonist in the movie is us, the human race and our greed to possess the treasure of Pandora, unobtanium. With the way the movie ended, WE ARE THE BAD GUYS! Why would the Na'vi welcome us back?

Aside from that, another issue I see is in crafting a story line that will magically transport us from planet Earth to Pandora (and back). The movie set it up quickly and easily by beginning at the end of the 5+ year trek from earth with the characters waking up from cryosleep. This problem isn't as big, because it could be handled in the same manner as it's done on Mission:Space at Epcot. On this ride, the narration simply tells you that it's time to go to sleep, then just moments later wakes you up. But, even with the supposed 5 year journey simulated, what would be our reason for visiting Pandora. Since we're at DAK, I'm guessing it has to be something tied to the conservation theme, along the lines of helping the Na'vi for some reason.

Perhaps the best solution might be to take us back in time in the story when Grace and the others are still running the school referenced in the movie. We could be part of the education staff, teaching and studying the Na'vi and Pandora, before everything fell apart. Since it's a part of the story that was only lightly brushed over in the movie, it could be re-told in a way that would put both us and the Na'vi on more friendly terms. Another option would be to go back even further in the timeline and make us some of the first visitors sent on a mission to explore the planet and establish peaceful relations with them.
 
C

celluloid

Well-Known Member
GrumpyFan said:
I hate to say it, but this wouldn't really surprise me. While the movie itself was visually stunning and the story somewhat entertaining, it has several issues that I think make it difficult to re-create in a real-world/theme park setting. The biggest issue I see with it is the antagonist in the movie is us, the human race and our greed to possess the treasure of Pandora, unobtanium. With the way the movie ended, WE ARE THE BAD GUYS! Why would the Na'vi welcome us back?

Aside from that, another issue I see is in crafting a story line that will magically transport us from planet Earth to Pandora (and back). The movie set it up quickly and easily by beginning at the end of the 5+ year trek from earth with the characters waking up from cryosleep. This problem isn't as big, because it could be handled in the same manner as it's done on Mission:Space at Epcot. On this ride, the narration simply tells you that it's time to go to sleep, then just moments later wakes you up. But, even with the supposed 5 year journey simulated, what would be our reason for visiting Pandora. Since we're at DAK, I'm guessing it has to be something tied to the conservation theme, along the lines of helping the Na'vi for some reason.

Perhaps the best solution might be to take us back in time in the story when Grace and the others are still running the school referenced in the movie. We could be part of the education staff, teaching and studying the Na'vi and Pandora, before everything fell apart. Since it's a part of the story that was only lightly brushed over in the movie, it could be re-told in a way that would put both us and the Na'vi on more friendly terms. Another option would be to go back even further in the timeline and make us some of the first visitors sent on a mission to explore the planet and establish peaceful relations with them.
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You summed up a lot of reasons why I thought this was not the smartest move in theme park storytelling. Not EVERY movie or story lend themselves well to the theme park world. Anything can be forced to work but it may not translate as well. With us being the bad guys there is little emotional attachment to main characters.
 
The Duck

The Duck

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What I find ironic is that an elaborately themed 12 acre area featuring a huge show building is being suggested but 35 years ago, Western River Expedition was deemed unfeasible. :hammer:What must Marc Davis be thinking right now?
 
Gregoryp73

Gregoryp73

Active Member
GrumpyFan said:
I hate to say it, but this wouldn't really surprise me. While the movie itself was visually stunning and the story somewhat entertaining, it has several issues that I think make it difficult to re-create in a real-world/theme park setting. The biggest issue I see with it is the antagonist in the movie is us, the human race and our greed to possess the treasure of Pandora, unobtanium. With the way the movie ended, WE ARE THE BAD GUYS! Why would the Na'vi welcome us back?

Aside from that, another issue I see is in crafting a story line that will magically transport us from planet Earth to Pandora (and back). The movie set it up quickly and easily by beginning at the end of the 5+ year trek from earth with the characters waking up from cryosleep. This problem isn't as big, because it could be handled in the same manner as it's done on Mission:Space at Epcot. On this ride, the narration simply tells you that it's time to go to sleep, then just moments later wakes you up. But, even with the supposed 5 year journey simulated, what would be our reason for visiting Pandora. Since we're at DAK, I'm guessing it has to be something tied to the conservation theme, along the lines of helping the Na'vi for some reason.

Perhaps the best solution might be to take us back in time in the story when Grace and the others are still running the school referenced in the movie. We could be part of the education staff, teaching and studying the Na'vi and Pandora, before everything fell apart. Since it's a part of the story that was only lightly brushed over in the movie, it could be re-told in a way that would put both us and the Na'vi on more friendly terms. Another option would be to go back even further in the timeline and make us some of the first visitors sent on a mission to explore the planet and establish peaceful relations with them.
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Maybe the storyline is this part of the park is that it would be "Pandora's Embassy" on earth? We've made nicey nice, and have brought their culture to a small corner of our planet...To understand the culture we've brought plantlife, wild life, and technology, as well as some ambassador Na'vi.

Although that would hurt the whole "everything is connected" thing.
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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NoChesterHester said:
You mean they aren't going to spend 1.2 billion on the building alone? It was just an illustration about how much volume really can be enclosed.
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Right. That's a state of the art stadium. A show building would be A LOT cheaper. They wouldn't need nearly as much steel and concrete support systems. I hope they go huge with this. It'd be nice to see something on WDW modern marvels that is actualy a modern marvel.
 
imagineer boy

imagineer boy

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GrumpyFan said:
I hate to say it, but this wouldn't really surprise me. While the movie itself was visually stunning and the story somewhat entertaining, it has several issues that I think make it difficult to re-create in a real-world/theme park setting. The biggest issue I see with it is the antagonist in the movie is us, the human race and our greed to possess the treasure of Pandora, unobtanium. With the way the movie ended, WE ARE THE BAD GUYS! Why would the Na'vi welcome us back?

Aside from that, another issue I see is in crafting a story line that will magically transport us from planet Earth to Pandora (and back). The movie set it up quickly and easily by beginning at the end of the 5+ year trek from earth with the characters waking up from cryosleep. This problem isn't as big, because it could be handled in the same manner as it's done on Mission:Space at Epcot. On this ride, the narration simply tells you that it's time to go to sleep, then just moments later wakes you up. But, even with the supposed 5 year journey simulated, what would be our reason for visiting Pandora. Since we're at DAK, I'm guessing it has to be something tied to the conservation theme, along the lines of helping the Na'vi for some reason.

Perhaps the best solution might be to take us back in time in the story when Grace and the others are still running the school referenced in the movie. We could be part of the education staff, teaching and studying the Na'vi and Pandora, before everything fell apart. Since it's a part of the story that was only lightly brushed over in the movie, it could be re-told in a way that would put both us and the Na'vi on more friendly terms. Another option would be to go back even further in the timeline and make us some of the first visitors sent on a mission to explore the planet and establish peaceful relations with them.
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There's yet another problem. If they're going to have people walking around the forrests of Pandora, then how are they going to explain that you can breath since they made it clear that the air of Pandora kills people?
 
stitch2008

stitch2008

Member
WDW1974 said:
Sure.

Keep telling them that.

That date keeps getting later. Internally, they were hoping to break ground on this by late 2012/early 2013 ... folks in Glendale said that was pushed to mid 2013 before Christmas and now late 2013. You're talking 2014 ... about when Staggs should be taking over for Iger.

~Yeah, this is happening ... sure it is ... and 'D' is just a kind old dude!~
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Delaying till 2016 to open makes good business sense. If they can get it finished by late 2016, they can ride the Avatar 2 hype train. Believe me, there is going to be a massive hype train for the movie that's going to last a long time. Probably till Avatar 3 comes out.

imagineer boy said:
There's yet another problem. If they're going to have people walking around the forrests of Pandora, then how are they going to explain that you can breath since they made it clear that the air of Pandora kills people?
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The same way you can breath in the magical underwater world of Little Mermaid(MK) and Sea's with Nemo ride(Epcot). :shrug:
 
unkadug

unkadug

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imagineer boy said:
They get a pass since they take place in a world inspired by a colorful cartoon. Avatar is realistic, therefor big problems in logic would arise.
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Not really...every attraction at Disney requires a certain amount of suspension if disbelief.

If someone cannot get past that fatal flaw then they probably shouldn't be a theme park to begin with.
 
imagineer boy

imagineer boy

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unkadug said:
Not really...every attraction at Disney requires a certain amount of suspension if disbelief.

If someone cannot get past that fatal flaw then they probably shouldn't be a theme park to begin with.
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Except that was a major plot point of the movie. It'd be like putting open-air space mountain type vehicles for Star Tours. A lot of people wouldn't buy it.

Future Ape said:
About 90% of Avatar is animated so it could count as a cartoon.
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Zing! :lol:
 

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