Say.... What if Avatarland got cancelled?

[WDW1974]

Oh, looks like I did miss something here and from a new poster ... how amusing ...

The thing that I found funniest after reading through this thread are the people that act like Avatar was a flop that nobody heard about because people on the message boards they go to or their prepubescent children don't talk about it.

The movie almost made 2 billion dollars and had the most successful theatrical run of all time. People that followed the movie industry were mystified at how long it stayed number one and in the top ten, and they attributed that to a good portion of the audience going back to see it three or four times. Yeah, if you see a movie three or four times, you must not really like it that much, huh?

No, actually when you adjust for inflation it is I believe No. 14 of all time ... and many people went due to the hype of 3D.

That film hasn't resonated or stuck in public consciousness the way great films do ... I wonder how many Avatar fans can even name more than 2-3 characters without cheating. I know one ... Jake ... good, old Jake.

I mean you get to have an opinion, but you don't get to rewrite reality I think. The movie was huge. I think Field of Dreams said it best, "Build it, and they will come." There's no way I don't see this producing excitement and word of mouth with the general public. Just not with obscure forum lurkers that are fuming over something called "Bestly Kingdom" that no one knows or cares about.

Right obscure things that no one knows about that turn out successful ... hmm ... what's that amusement thingee Walt Disney is building down in the middle of nowhere ... what is It's a Small World, The Enchanted Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain etc ... what the hell is an EPCOT Center ... do I need to go on?

Obscure/unknown worked just fine for TWDC for decades, one might point to their Walmart phase as being partially a result of going for the known.

Other things slightly weird about this thread:

1. People that totally made things up and talked about them seriously like they were facts. Like the two or so people that said "market research" showed people don't care about Avatar.

I haven't seen market research, but I have observed things ... and Avatar didn't sell (blank) in terms of merchandise/toys and has had no staying power in the public consciousness ... that's why despite being as hungry as a zombie for new product at WDW, the announcement of Avatar was met with a collective yawn by the fans.

2. That 74 guy that made up something and passed it off as "insider information" that was later rebuked by the multiple actual sources including the CEO. Definitely a good rule to use, never trust anyone that claims to be an inside source on a message board. People that important don't have time to make thousands of posts at a forum.

That '74 guy' made absolutely nothing up. Nor did the OP. That '74 guy' just wrote what was actually going on behind the scenes and he used logic to explain why what he and others were saying has lots of merit. The fact the CEO (a very ed off one at that) ignored Avatar in his presentation to shareholders and financial press until questioned by a fanboi spoke volumes.

Now, surprisingly, there are important Spirits that do make time to pop into fan sites where meaningless (and sometimes telling trolls) take shots at them because they are credible and therefore dangerous to the spin of TWDC and its PR/Social Media campaigns.

But welcome to the site ... you wouldn't be related to that pitchfork dude?:goodnevil

 

[Prototype82]

Oz would definitely be a more interesting opportunity for fantasy creatures in Animal Kingdom then Avatar

 

[unkadug]

Oh, looks like I did miss something here and from a new poster ... how amusing ...



No, actually when you adjust for inflation it is I believe No. 14 of all time ... and many people went due to the hype of 3D.

That film hasn't resonated or stuck in public consciousness the way great films do ... I wonder how many Avatar fans can even name more than 2-3 characters without cheating. I know one ... Jake ... good, old Jake.



Right obscure things that no one knows about that turn out successful ... hmm ... what's that amusement thingee Walt Disney is building down in the middle of nowhere ... what is It's a Small World, The Enchanted Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain etc ... what the hell is an EPCOT Center ... do I need to go on?

Obscure/unknown worked just fine for TWDC for decades, one might point to their Walmart phase as being partially a result of going for the known.



I haven't seen market research, but I have observed things ... and Avatar didn't sell (blank) in terms of merchandise/toys and has had no staying power in the public consciousness ... that's why despite being as hungry as a zombie for new product at WDW, the announcement of Avatar was met with a collective yawn by the fans.



That '74 guy' made absolutely nothing up. Nor did the OP. That '74 guy' just wrote what was actually going on behind the scenes and he used logic to explain why what he and others were saying has lots of merit. The fact the CEO (a very ed off one at that) ignored Avatar in his presentation to shareholders and financial press until questioned by a fanboi spoke volumes.

Now, surprisingly, there are important Spirits that do make time to pop into fan sites where meaningless (and sometimes telling trolls) take shots at them because they are credible and therefore dangerous to the spin of TWDC and its PR/Social Media campaigns.

But welcome to the site ... you wouldn't be related to that pitchfork dude?:goodnevil

You DO realize that Loomis is just the latest reincarnation of Pitchforkman / backofwater / AvengersWDW... I really wouldn't waste my breath...

 

[PirateFrank]

Oh, looks like I did miss something here and from a new poster ... how amusing ...



No, actually when you adjust for inflation it is I believe No. 14 of all time ... and many people went due to the hype of 3D.

That film hasn't resonated or stuck in public consciousness the way great films do ... I wonder how many Avatar fans can even name more than 2-3 characters without cheating. I know one ... Jake ... good, old Jake.



Right obscure things that no one knows about that turn out successful ... hmm ... what's that amusement thingee Walt Disney is building down in the middle of nowhere ... what is It's a Small World, The Enchanted Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain etc ... what the hell is an EPCOT Center ... do I need to go on?

Obscure/unknown worked just fine for TWDC for decades, one might point to their Walmart phase as being partially a result of going for the known.



I haven't seen market research, but I have observed things ... and Avatar didn't sell (blank) in terms of merchandise/toys and has had no staying power in the public consciousness ... that's why despite being as hungry as a zombie for new product at WDW, the announcement of Avatar was met with a collective yawn by the fans.



That '74 guy' made absolutely nothing up. Nor did the OP. That '74 guy' just wrote what was actually going on behind the scenes and he used logic to explain why what he and others were saying has lots of merit. The fact the CEO (a very ed off one at that) ignored Avatar in his presentation to shareholders and financial press until questioned by a fanboi spoke volumes.

Now, surprisingly, there are important Spirits that do make time to pop into fan sites where meaningless (and sometimes telling trolls) take shots at them because they are credible and therefore dangerous to the spin of TWDC and its PR/Social Media campaigns.

But welcome to the site ... you wouldn't be related to that pitchfork dude?:goodnevil

I love it when a troll pitches a hanging curve ball at spirit and he tees off on the thing like he knew it was coming and knocks it over the fence....

 

[MickeyPeace]

Say, say you love me. Straight up now tell me.....

 

[disney fan 13]

Damn, I thought we would at least get a week befOre bulls/avengers/back of water/ pitchforkman came back around...

 

[unkadug]

I'm not that person. In fact, I didn't even read that person's posts, because they were all deleted from the thread. This is getting to tin-hat levels of ridiculous here.

How would you know that since they were deleted before you even joined? :lol:

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm not that person. In fact, I didn't even read that person's posts, because they were all deleted from the thread. This is getting to tin-hat levels of ridiculous here.

How would you know that since they were deleted before you even joined? :lol:

Tin foil hat references were used by previous incarnations.... :lol:


The Spirit: Troll Hunter

 

[unkadug]

Made a post in the help forum about people on this thread. Honestly, I hope it gets sorted out, because I guess anyone that disagrees with you people must be out "to get you" and a banned member. Good grief.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=4911309#post4911309

Some apologies afterwards would also be nice.

Good luck with that.


There's an old saying...if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Oh, and another one:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

How would you know that since they were deleted before you even joined? :lol:

Still waiting for an answer...

 

[wm49rs]

Made a post in the help forum about people on this thread. Honestly, I hope it gets sorted out, because I guess anyone that disagrees with you people must be out "to get you" and a banned member. Good grief.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=4911309#post4911309

Some apologies afterwards would also be nice.

As you were responded to it that thread:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4911321&postcount=2

And don't hold your breath for an apology. The last person looking for one insisted CoP was moving to the Smithsonian last June. He's still awaiting my humble atonement....

 

[celluloid]

I don't care if someone is new to posting or has posted for a decade with the site. If you are causing this much trouble with less than 20 or so posts you are not going to make many friends or gain much sympathy.

 

[ctxak98]

Because all you people did was talk about it for 30 pages?

EXACTLY! No offense anyone but people who did have a "SERIOUS" problem with avangers or whatever did talk about it in some avatar forum(not sure which one) for quite some time and its hard to miss! Loomis I apologize for any problems! I agree its not always welcoming here and Its bad to accuse people of things that arent true. People are similar and do say similar things online! It doesnt mean Loomis is "AVENGERS!"....

 

[ctxak98]

I don't care if someone is new to posting or has posted for a decade with the site. If you are causing this much trouble with less than 20 or so posts you are not going to make many friends or gain much sympathy.

However....Its really not that much of problem? its just discussion. YES you might be frustrated but I dont think Banning is necessary unless someone is making fun of you or others....Sometimes heated conversations make these things come up but Its getting ridiculous around here. Im just trying to bring peace I am NOT "avengers"

 

[Kamikaze]

I'm sure they would love nothing more then the two TL's to be identical...

Not even remotely possible.

 

[stitch2008]

Keeping with the theme of this thread, what if I said Disney had been talking with Vekoma about a ride for Pandora?

No I don't really know that. But I do know that apparently Vekoma had some talks with them recently about one of their more expensive products.

If true, it'd be good for Vekoma and Disney. If it's the ride system I'm thinking about, Vekoma has been try to sell clients, including Disney, on the idea for a while now.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Stitch, would be interesting.. I was just looking at Vekoma's site... While I first thought, maybe they could do a Manta style coaster, only the trains themed to those flying dragons in Avatar, I noticed Vekoma doesn't have a coaster like that on their site, unless I missed something.. However, there are two possible ride systems I could see Disney using, one making little sense since they already have Soarin's ride system.. And Using Soarin overlay would be a failure in my opinion... It is called I-Ride, but like I said, too similar to Soarin...

The other one I see as interesting is Pandora's Box.... Here is the description of the ride system on their site:

Pandora’s Box is a multiple level, themed dark ride, with a sensational ride experience. The passenger carriers, with their multi-axial freedom of motion, guarantee an intense ride experience and unique interaction with the scenery. The passengers, instead of being mere spectators, will be part of the stories told.

the story unfolds
The Ride sequence and vehicle motions are free programmable. The ride experience can vary from high thrill ride to family ride. The self propelled vehicle consists of a tower with carriages on top and bottom, guided along a horizontal track, on the circumference of the building core. A carriage can move vertically along the tower, as well as rotate around the tower. All motions are separately driven by onboard drives and are freely programmable, allowing multiple sequences of motions and combinations of motions. Since all vehicle motions are free programmable, there is no such thing as a typical ride sequence. Even within one ride, multiple ride sequences are possible. High thrill rides for the young and adventurous, can be varied by more moderate family rides.

A great experience of various already existing ride motions in one transport system.
Such as:

Freefall
Seats rotation 360° backwards, forward and sideward
Upward acceleration of up to 2,5 G
Entire system on track moving sideward
All movements are freely programmable

theming & building

Pandora’s Box can be endlessly varied. The total number and layout of the scenery cells is optional.
The building has a core which consists of an array of cells which are arranged horizontally as well as vertically. Each cell shows an animated scene (physical and/or projected images). Each cell has an open side wall allowing the passengers to view the scene as were it a show box. Around the circumference of this central block, rails are provided on the ceiling as well as on the floor. The outer walls of the building are closed to darken the interior. Optionally sections of the outer walls, especially on the head of the building, can be equipped with glass, allowing other park visitors to see part of the ride sequence, in order to attract attention.

The part that made me think: Entire system on track moving sideward.

We already know Disney cannot use the Kuka robotic arm on a track, but they could use this system... And it seems like it could be used as an E-ticket ride, incorporated with screens and AA's... Put it on a track, move around the show building.... Bring Pandora to life... The vehicle could be the flying dragons, or we are riding on a transporter... Somehow I think they could get it to work...

Problem is, I have no faith Disney wants to make it work LOL....

 

[stitch2008]

Stitch, would be interesting.. I was just looking at Vekoma's site... While I first thought, maybe they could do a Manta style coaster, only the trains themed to those flying dragons in Avatar, I noticed Vekoma doesn't have a coaster like that on their site, unless I missed something.. However, there are two possible ride systems I could see Disney using, one making little sense since they already have Soarin's ride system.. And Using Soarin overlay would be a failure in my opinion... It is called I-Ride, but like I said, too similar to Soarin...

The other one I see as interesting is Pandora's Box.... Here is the description of the ride system on their site:



The part that made me think: Entire system on track moving sideward.

We already know Disney cannot use the Kuka robotic arm on a track, but they could use this system... And it seems like it could be used as an E-ticket ride, incorporated with screens and AA's... Put it on a track, move around the show building.... Bring Pandora to life... The vehicle could be the flying dragons, or we are riding on a transporter... Somehow I think they could get it to work...

Problem is, I have no faith Disney wants to make it work LOL....

The Box would be the ride im referring to. It's been a Vekoma concept for years. And you nailed what the concept would be too. My only question is about the last line. Do you mean thematically or mechanically? As far as ride show goes of course they could. They could make it one of the best rides in the world. Now mechanically is another story. Obviously the ride has a lot of moving parts. And that scared away not only Disney, but everyone in the industry. Apparently they have done some work on the concept and are building a new version of it in Europe. The new version is said to be a lot more reliable. It's possible to see a ride like that come to one of the parks, if not DAK for Avatar.

 

[stitch2008]

Let me also just say that it may not be for Avatar or DAK at all. But as far as I know, Disney and WDW know about the new changes to PB and are interested in learning more about it.

 

[Magic Man 85]

The Box would be the ride im referring to. It's been a Vekoma concept for years. And you nailed what the concept would be too. My only question is about the last line. Do you mean thematically or mechanically? As far as ride show goes of course they could. They could make it one of the best rides in the world. Now mechanically is another story. Obviously the ride has a lot of moving parts. And that scared away not only Disney, but everyone in the industry. Apparently they have done some work on the concept and are building a new version of it in Europe. The new version is said to be a lot more reliable. It's possible to see a ride like that come to one of the parks, if not DAK for Avatar.

Some other things Stitch didn't mention are this. The original Box concept had other issues as well. Capacity was a big issue. It was never going to be a people eater. It had major issues on that front. It also issues with stacking. If they couldn't get people loaded fast enough, the whole ride was gonna start stacking up. Big problems. Apparently, they have fixed those issues if they were talking about the concept.

There are all kinda of ways Disney could use this technology if it has been upgraded. Any of the parks could use this kinda of system, IF the kinks have been worked out. I can see this ride system being used at MK or the Studios. But again, it depends on how they have worked on the issues. It's a great concept with a lot of issues that needed work.

 

[Captain Chaos]

The Box would be the ride im referring to. It's been a Vekoma concept for years. And you nailed what the concept would be too. My only question is about the last line. Do you mean thematically or mechanically? As far as ride show goes of course they could. They could make it one of the best rides in the world. Now mechanically is another story. Obviously the ride has a lot of moving parts. And that scared away not only Disney, but everyone in the industry. Apparently they have done some work on the concept and are building a new version of it in Europe. The new version is said to be a lot more reliable. It's possible to see a ride like that come to one of the parks, if not DAK for Avatar.

Mechanically.... My faith in them is gone since they can't even keep AA's working properly... I can't expect them to keep a system like this working properly... (perfect system to get those who are losing faith in them back!!!!)...

And I also wonder about capacity... But this seems like a great ride system for Avatar....