Say.... What if Avatarland got cancelled?

[Captain Chaos]

Some other things Stitch didn't mention are this. The original Box concept had other issues as well. Capacity was a big issue. It was never going to be a people eater. It had major issues on that front. It also issues with stacking. If they couldn't get people loaded fast enough, the whole ride was gonna start stacking up. Big problems. Apparently, they have fixed those issues if they were talking about the concept.

There are all kinda of ways Disney could use this technology if it has been upgraded. Any of the parks could use this kinda of system, IF the kinks have been worked out. I can see this ride system being used at MK or the Studios. But again, it depends on how they have worked on the issues. It's a great concept with a lot of issues that needed work.

And there it is... My capacity worry explained... figured it didn't have much capacity...

 

[stitch2008]

And there it is... My capacity worry explained... figured it didn't have much capacity...

Well in defense, we don't know what v.2 looks like yet. So they may worked out the kinks.

Like Magic Man said, I can see it going to one of the other parks on property as well. I just thought itd be neat to bring up. Especially since Vekoma wanted Disney to use this concept dating back to 2007.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Well in defense, we don't know what v.2 looks like yet. So they may worked out the kinks.

Like Magic Man said, I can see it going to one of the other parks on property as well. I just thought itd be neat to bring up. Especially since Vekoma wanted Disney to use this concept dating back to 2007.

Thanks for bringing it up... Does actually make you think of the possibilities, whether Avatar or elsewhere on property...

 

[invader]

The promotional video for Pandora's box makes it look like a knock-off KUKA ride, not something I would want them to sink a whole bunch of $$ into...

 

[stitch2008]

The promotional video for Pandora's box makes it look like a knock-off KUKA ride, not something I would want them to sink a whole bunch of $$ into...

Well yeah it does look that way. V.2 I've heard is quite a bit different. Ive never been a fan of the Kuka arm system. The new version apparently cut down on the moving parts and made it more independent if you know what I mean. That's good for Vekoma cause moving parts were part of the problem with PB to start with.

 

[celluloid]

Pandora's box is mainly an enticing ride system to those who want to go more verticle with their themed ride application so they can fit multiple floors of show scenes in small sets stacked onto each other. A problem like this would be a park who knows they do not have a ton of land to expand on in current or known future.

WDW does not have this issue at all.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Pandora's box is mainly an enticing ride system to those who want to go more verticle with their themed ride application so they can fit multiple floors of show scenes in small sets stacked onto each other. A problem like this would be a park who knows they do not have a ton of land to expand on in current or known future.

WDW does not have this issue at all.

Universal could use that kind of a system in Twister building...

 

[celluloid]

Universal could use that kind of a system in Twister building...

Love the idea, it would still be a squeeze there but at least it would be something.

 

[ILDisneyFan]

Wouldn't bother me one bit if Avatarland got cancelled. I never saw the movie because I thought it looked stupid. Don't kill me though, I'm not much for Sci-Fi movies. :lookaroun

 

[stitch2008]

Universal could use that kind of a system in Twister building...

It wont happen. Not with Box system, because Vekoma and Universal don't have a good relationship.

In this industry, it's all about who do you know, who do you trust, and who are you comfortable working with. At the present time and foreseeable future, Vekoma has a good and strong relationship with Disney and a near nonexistent relationship with Universal. Universal's relationship is really with S&S and Premier; a very close(and somewhat bitter rival of Vekoma).

 

[CheshireCatStef]

Am I the only person on earth who hasn't seen Avatar? Of course, I also haven't read any of the Potters or seen the movies, so I guess I am a freak...

 

[RSoxNo1]

If World of Avatar gets built, it sounds like Cameron is looking for something groundbreaking to anchor it. I would expect the main ride to use a ride system that we haven't seen before, or haven't seen used in whatever way they intend to use it before.

 

[imagineer boy]

Am I the only person on earth who hasn't seen Avatar? Of course, I also haven't read any of the Potters or seen the movies, so I guess I am a freak...

When it comes to Avatar you're not missing much.

 

[Gregoryp73]

If World of Avatar gets built, it sounds like Cameron is looking for something groundbreaking to anchor it. I would expect the main ride to use a ride system that we haven't seen before, or haven't seen used in whatever way they intend to use it before.

I'll bet money it will be in 3D and use some sort of Digital projection Screen...

Not ground breaking, but seems to be the disney trend.

 

[cookiee_munster]

Like JK Rowling, i think if Cameron took a lot of control as to what kind of attraction he wants, i think they could come up with something pretty special.
He's renowned for his ruthlessness in terms of getting the right shots etc (kate winslet said she'd never work for him again)

The guy right now is breaking records. Hell, he even helped design the sub that has let him go down that deep to the bottom of the ocean.

So, as much as i felt a bit "meh" after hearing avatar will go into Animal Kingdom, i think as long as the story of conservation is there and of course some very high-tech wizardry, i dont think there's anything to be worried about.

the film is "ok" at best. that doesnt mean the attraction will be "ok" or rubbish either.

EDIT - not wanting to go off topic too much. but i really wanted to raise it. The forbidden Journey ride at IOA... when exactly does it take place? im guessing around Order of the Phoenix? the continuity isnt going to be very good, if that gringotts bank coaster is built. Unless your not having to go to Bellatrixes vault??? *shrug*

 

[NoChesterHester]

I'll bet money it will be in 3D and use some sort of Digital projection Screen...

Not ground breaking, but seems to be the disney trend.

That may be what the "fight" is over.

Seriously, if Tim is right above -- Cameron wants the anchor to be truly groundbreaking. You don't get that with a soarin clone. Imagine if a Velkoma Pandora's Box were constructed as the flying attraction. 10 riders per car... 25,000 people want to ride it. Real issue.

Here is their webpage showing the Gen 1 system.
http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=30

 

[Captain Chaos]

That may be what the "fight" is over.

Seriously, if Tim is right above -- Cameron wants the anchor to be truly groundbreaking. You don't get that with a soarin clone. Imagine if a Velkoma Pandora's Box were constructed as the flying attraction. 10 riders per car... 25,000 people want to ride it. Real issue.

Here is their webpage showing the Gen 1 system.
http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=30

Stitch and I were commenting about that on pages 45 and 46 of this thread...

 

[MA Screamin']

If it does fall through I say Disney should take the money and actually make the beast kingdom or whatever it was called. I always am a little sad going to AK and seeing the Dragon on the sign but no dragons are in the park. I think a section dedicated to the fantasy of mystical creatures would be a better place to put your money long term than Avatar. Think about it dragons and such have been around for hundreds of year and still are as popular of a fantasy as ever.

Same idea, here. Build Beastly Kingdom and maybe have an Avatar attraction within it, anyone? :shrug:

 

[Brava Centauri]

EDIT - not wanting to go off topic too much. but i really wanted to raise it. The forbidden Journey ride at IOA... when exactly does it take place? im guessing around Order of the Phoenix? the continuity isnt going to be very good, if that gringotts bank coaster is built. Unless your not having to go to Bellatrixes vault??? *shrug*

It's not really supposed to fit into a specific time frame of the series. But if one wants to be technical, it would probably be post-Azkaban, since the dementors are present. The premise is you're just taking a tour of Hogwarts with Harr before you get waylaid by a dragon thanks to Hagrid, get lost in the Forbidden Forrest with the spiders and the Whomping Willow, make it in time for a Quidditch match before the dementors swoop in--you take a little tour through the Chamber of Secrets before Harry comes to the rescue to bring you back out of the woods and into the castle again. So "continuity" isn't really an issue for anything.

 

[stitch2008]

Stitch and I were commenting about that on pages 45 and 46 of this thread...

What everyone needs to remember is this. The Pandoras Box that appears in those promo videos for Vekoma doesn't exist anymore. They have an updated version that is quite different.

And there are no guarantee's it would even be used for Avatar. It could be used for a wide variety of things as the ride system is very customizable..