Save the Adventurers Club

dmagickingdom

New Member
It's seems like everyone has given up the fight. I still am emailing and writing letters even though I still have not gotten a response. And once Sept 27 hits, I will be sending more letters, emails, and phone calls Disney's way to let them know that I want the AC back! I won't wave my white flag yet!

BTW, the newest rumor is that once the club shuts its doors, the frozen drink machine is going to be moved to the outside bar. Now why the heck would they do that? They are still going to offers drinks at the bar, but not have any clubs or restaurants or even a bus stop near by. Who is going to buy drinks there? I for one will not go to visit whatever they replace PI with. Anything I need to buy, I will get in the parks. Downtown Disney has lost my business forever.

well thank goodness...that will be one less person walking in DTD Marketplace and West Side...If you have not been in the few years, you would know that WS and Marketplace are busy every night and that place in between called "Pleasure Island" is NOT busy at all. People LOVE to buy drinks on the streets of PI as they are on their way between MP and WS. I just feel bad for the cast members that worked in PI basically tapping their feet or counting their fingers because they were soooooo bored with nothing to do. It was that slow there. That's why they let us cast members in FREE 7 days per week. They were BEGGING for business in PI.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
Are you insane? :eek: :hammer:I go to the AC all the time and it is always busy! Even when the other clubs are slow, the AC has a lot of people in there. There are always people getting turned away from the show in the library because there isn't enough seats for them all and usually the people overflow into the Zebra Mezzanine upstairs. And there is always a line for the first show at the CW no matter what night it is. So perhaps you haven't been to the AC in a while because your figures on the AC are wrong.



I believe that Disney had made its decision to close down PI a long time ago..from the time that the WS came onto property and they removed the turnstiles. But, that is not going to stop me or the other 6,000 or 7,000 people that signed the petition from saying what we need to say. We will keep fighting for this club long after it is gone. If we stay quiet, then Disney wins...I won't give up yet no matter what people say.




We saved Lincoln didn't we...and we brought Figment back!!! :sohappy:

uhhhh...no you didn't bring figment back..Eisner rode the attraction and was personally disappointed in it. It had nothing to do with your little petitions from hardcore fans. Sorry, it's ignored. And for the AC post, it is NOT busy. I do go as oftten as two weeks ago and many times (approx. 2-3 times per month) on random days (friday, sat, thurs) and it's hardly ever a full house...sorry that you lie to try and prove a point. Occasionally there will be a crowd. It is a little busy now because everyone wants to hit it before it closes.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
As I was perusing Youtube today, I came upon an amazing video. It shows what has to be the most magical moment that I have ever seen come out of any Disney park, and of all places it is at the Adventurers Club!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oX7-W0vSPA


We have less than a month, but there is still time to let Disney know that adults deserve Magical Moments while visiting Walt Disney World and the best place for us is at The Adventurers Club!

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!

LOL...that's why they serve alcohol at Disney. :lol:
 

Master Gracey

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
If there is anyone out there that still doubts the family friendly aspect of the Adventurers Club, to them I say watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1zY7FQgIE

and as for:

uhhhh...no you didn't bring figment back..Eisner rode the attraction and was personally disappointed in it. It had nothing to do with your little petitions from hardcore fans. Sorry, it's ignored. And for the AC post, it is NOT busy. I do go as oftten as two weeks ago and many times (approx. 2-3 times per month) on random days (friday, sat, thurs) and it's hardly ever a full house...sorry that you lie to try and prove a point.

The Friends of Figment played a huge part in getting that lovable purple dragon back in his attraction, and are currently working on getting everyone's favorite red bearded man back as well. I am also sorry that dmagickingdom seems to visit Pleasure Island on the two or three nights a month that The Adventurers Club is not packed to the gills, and believes those loyal to this cause are liars. I would also like to know why he thinks one of the most touching proposals ever seen was worthy of the response of:

LOL...that's why they serve alcohol at Disney.

But I digress. There is less than a month left Adventurers, and we must continue to flood The Walt Disney Co.'s executives with letters, emails, phone calls, photos, maps, coconuts, masks, duck sauce, hot mustard, egg rolls, and anything else that will get the point across that we want the Adventure to continue well after Sept. 27th 2008!

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
If there is anyone out there that still doubts the family friendly aspect of the Adventurers Club, to them I say watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1zY7FQgIE

and as for:



The Friends of Figment played a huge part in getting that lovable purple dragon back in his attraction, and are currently working on getting everyone's favorite red bearded man back as well. I am also sorry that dmagickingdom seems to visit Pleasure Island on the two or three nights a month that The Adventurers Club is not packed to the gills, and believes those loyal to this cause are liars. I would also like to know why he thinks one of the most touching proposals ever seen was worthy of the response of:



But I digress. There is less than a month left Adventurers, and we must continue to flood The Walt Disney Co.'s executives with letters, emails, phone calls, photos, maps, coconuts, masks, duck sauce, hot mustard, egg rolls, and anything else that will get the point across that we want the Adventure to continue well after Sept. 27th 2008!

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!

well gracey, i guess it is alittle hard for you to know for sure all the way up in PA. It's easy for you to fight for something that you truly do not know about firsthand. The sad truth is I go to AMC and PI quite a bit as i work for the mouse and live less than 20 minutes away. I am physically at DTD about 5 times per week. I see the lack of business and simply laugh at these people that sit in far away places claiming they know what they are talking about when truth is, you all come maybe twice per year during common times. It is hardcore fans like you that think you know it all. You are one of the ones that ruin an attraction by quoting The Haunted Mansion outloud in the stretching room just to let everyone know you've been there before. I can tell about you Master Gracey. lol Fact is, if you love Disney so much, then why would you be "not giving into the mouse". You're going to fight the icon you must love so much otherwise you wouldn't be on this site. You would have to assume someone as hardcore as you seem to be, would support the decision made by the mouse. This company puts endless hours of research and thought into the smallest decision and your 6000 signature petition will not change any decision they have made. It's about money and desire. While you have 6000 people or even say 10,000 people fighting this,you have ten's of thousand's of other people welcoming this change and ready to see something new because again, IT'S A GHOST TOWN IN PI!!!!!!!!!!! One of the big things they prepare for when they make a decision like this is, "We need beef up our mail filtering dept. because they are going to be writing letters like there is no tomorrow." Again, all I say is fight for what you want but do know 100% it's NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. I believe you should voice your opinion for what you believe and want. I want Alien Encounter back but I'm not fighting the mouse on it. Fact is, AE had no line when it was closed but thousands flocked to ride it one last time which resulted in some of the longest AE lines in years.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
I also got engaged at the club, I don't have a video so I'll try to describe it....

Wake up on my birthday Nov 28 2000 at the Caribbean Beach resort with Glen, he tells me that my present is a trip to NYC in a few months for a shopping trip.

Have lovely day at Epcot and dinner at Le Cellier.

Go to AC for the evening.

Colonel asks if there are any birthdays in the club, I reluctantly admit it is mine. He asks what I have done today so far, I tell him.

He then says that he thinks my boyfriend has something else to ask me, Glen then drops on one knee and proposes with diamond solitaire ring. I accept.

After much celebrating the bartender gives us a disposble camera to get pictures. When we settle the bar bill at the end of the night, we are told that the club has picked up the bill and congratulations!

In 2001 we buy a house and name it "Kungaloosh!".

In 2005 we return for our honeymoon and spend every night at the club.

In 2008 the closure of the club is announced and I am heartbroken.

So many Magical Memories in that place but we'll be there Sept 27th to say goodbye.


very magical... I love hearing stories like this. Disney can be a very wonderful place to create memories. :)
 

Master Gracey

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Why yes dmagickingdom, hardcore fans do usually know the most about a subject they feel passionate about, and more often than not can provide the best information and suggestions on the topic as well. Also, you'd be surprised as to the information that I can get "all the way up here in PA", and from what I've come to understand is that hardly a night goes by when the Adventurers Club is not crowded, and I do mean before June 27th, 2008. Yes I do love Disney, and can remember when Walt Disney World was a worth while spot to visit, when it had attractions that enveloped you in an original world and story and was not compromised by the latest fad movie or Disney Channel star. When Audio Animatronics where what entertained and educated the masses and instead of video screens that are ridden by and shot at.

This is why I say, do not "give into the mouse" and fight for a venue that truly is the crowning jewel of the golden (and almost forgotten) age on Imagineering! It is also quite apparent that Disney's so called "research" is usually stacked against what guests truly want. I am an Annual Passholder, DVC Member, and Stockholder, capable of giving clear and concise feedback on my latest Walt Disney World and compare it to my multiple visits in the past. Yet, somehow when surveys were conducted on what guests want on the land between the Market Place and West Side, somehow myself and hundreds of thousands of other regular, repeat visitors were overlooked and the surveys were given to one-time only guests.

As for the "ten's of thousands" of supporters of this close Pleasure Island decision, please produce them. Meanwhile, I can and will gladly produce the supporters of the Adventurers Club! The decision can and will be changed, for the Adventurers Club is a Walt Disney as Mickey Mouse!

Lastly, I truly enjoy the contradiction in your posts:

I do go as oftten as two weeks ago and many times (approx. 2-3 times per month) on random days (friday, sat, thurs)...

I am physically at DTD about 5 times per week.

With your ability to recall the frequency of you visits, your story is airtight. Do you even know if you were at Pleaure Island, or Discovery Island (Bay Lake's, not Animal Kingdom's)? Until next time:

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!
 

kucarachi

Active Member
I dont know what everyone is fighting for. Every video i've seen of AC people having a good time there is lots of booze beign passed around. Even monopoly seems fun when your swigging down wild turkey. Ive only seen 2 shows and i felt like i was watching bad wedding reception entertainment.

Not that the cast members arent funny. But drunken unscripted comedy only works if you are drunken too. Its like when a rock band mentions the name of your city and everyone goes whoooo!

I will be very happy when the number one family place in america gets back to its roots and forgets about the "drunk uncle" that is PI. If you are that guillable and like to pay 7 dollars a drink for 3/4 water drinks..then by all means keep fighting to keep this club open.
In the mean time im sure walt disney himself will stop rolling over very soon! Beer + Good judgement dont mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu6GnSFZKSE&feature=related

I just know from my own personal history when im drunk i make out with older men that i dont know in public too! so i stay off the hooch.
Why not just do a version of whose line is it anyway instead of this bad vegas lounge act from the 70's.
 

sassytink03

New Member
Yes, there are a lot of people having drinks in there. But there are a lot, myself included, who go there and drink Coke. Just because you see a waitress passing drinks out doesn't mean that all of those drinks are alcoholic. Most of the people in there are not "drunk", they are socially drinking and having a good time. The cast is amazing and hilarious. You have been watching the sketches that they do and you are missing all the improv that happens outside of those shows.

And as for the comments about the AC not being busy, I have been going to the AC for a long time now just about every weekend. The place is always crowded. The only time it is not is when it first opens and people are filing in there But, by time the first show is over, the place is starting to get where you can't find a seat.

For those of you that don't like the AC or PI and don't want to save it, then why the hell are you in this thread? The title clearly states SAVE THE ADVENTURER'S CLUB and everyone in here is very supportive of eachother and the club. If you want to rag on in, kindly find another thread to do that in, please.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
Why yes dmagickingdom, hardcore fans do usually know the most about a subject they feel passionate about, and more often than not can provide the best information and suggestions on the topic as well. Also, you'd be surprised as to the information that I can get "all the way up here in PA", and from what I've come to understand is that hardly a night goes by when the Adventurers Club is not crowded, and I do mean before June 27th, 2008. Yes I do love Disney, and can remember when Walt Disney World was a worth while spot to visit, when it had attractions that enveloped you in an original world and story and was not compromised by the latest fad movie or Disney Channel star. When Audio Animatronics where what entertained and educated the masses and instead of video screens that are ridden by and shot at.

This is why I say, do not "give into the mouse" and fight for a venue that truly is the crowning jewel of the golden (and almost forgotten) age on Imagineering! It is also quite apparent that Disney's so called "research" is usually stacked against what guests truly want. I am an Annual Passholder, DVC Member, and Stockholder, capable of giving clear and concise feedback on my latest Walt Disney World and compare it to my multiple visits in the past. Yet, somehow when surveys were conducted on what guests want on the land between the Market Place and West Side, somehow myself and hundreds of thousands of other regular, repeat visitors were overlooked and the surveys were given to one-time only guests.

As for the "ten's of thousands" of supporters of this close Pleasure Island decision, please produce them. Meanwhile, I can and will gladly produce the supporters of the Adventurers Club! The decision can and will be changed, for the Adventurers Club is a Walt Disney as Mickey Mouse!

Lastly, I truly enjoy the contradiction in your posts:





With your ability to recall the frequency of you visits, your story is airtight. Do you even know if you were at Pleaure Island, or Discovery Island (Bay Lake's, not Animal Kingdom's)? Until next time:

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!

Well, apparently Master Gracey, you are not well educated on Downtown Disney. You stated my statements did not match up...Let me explain to the DVC member (you think you would be able to tell the difference). Apparently you didn't know, as of right now Downtown Disney is comprised of three areas. The West Side houses AMC, Virgin Records, DisneyQuest, House of Blues, etc. I am going to assume you've been there because you're DVC and you know everything. Hey you own the place lol. On the other side you have Marketplace. That's where the big boat is called Fulton's and the new dinosaur restaurant coming. In the middle is the beloved PI that is closing on Sept. 27.
So, when I say I am in DTD around 5 times per week, I am in one of those places. I specifically stated I go to AMC several times per week and PI roughly once per week. When I go to DTD to AMC, I waste time before my movie starts by walking or browsing. I see AC, CW, Motions, 8Trax, etc. I see with my own eyes the almost ghost town that is PI. Even on the most popular day which is Thursdays (for another reason completely), it is simply not busy. To further validate my point, I will reference to a bartender which I am good friends with. My friend worked in Beach Club and was unhappy to see it go because it was one of the places people hung out because of live music. The bartender now works between Motion and AC, and comedy warehouse and gets ER (early released) almost every night because there is not enough business. While it is sad that now my friend has to get a transfer, they agree with the decision because they are no longer making money from tips nor is Disney with business there. So, that should certainly validate my point.
It think it is very sad that as a DVC member, annual passholder, and hold stock (lol how much. that's my favorite part when someone throws , "i own stock" out there), you spent all this money to enjoy Disney and all you can do is degrade every decision they make. My question would be, why waste your money on DVC, annual passholder if you are going to constantly criticize them for making changes to attempt to raise your shares of stock?? They are trying to make you and their company more money. You have to be interested in them making money or you wouldn't own the stock. After all, you can choose not to renew your annual pass when it comes due, you can sell your DVC, and sell your stock as well. Then you can go invest it into NBC Universal where they specialize in the Mardi Gras atmosphere and thrills that Disney is choosing to do away with. Disney's PI has run it's course. It has had a VERY LONG mostly successful run compared to other nightly entertainment.
BTW- I have been to Bay Lake's DI lately and the one at AK. Can you say that? Probably not. But hey, you can get your 10% discount at Olivia's. You won't forget about that. Make sure you put your little blue room key in there and tell the server.
Maybe you should read my posts alittle more carefully before you go throwing around your stripes. Honestly not many people care you spent tens of thousands of dollars on DVC that you will have to pay for years. Only you care. You are no different than I or MANY other people out there. Many of us purchase annuals and DVC. You're among a large group chummy.

One last thing Master, getting away from this topic, I can see you are obviously a HM fan as am I. I would recommend (if you have not done it before) to do a Haunted Mansion tour before the park opens if they still offer it, you tour the entire mansion with the lights on. It is well worth going. Most of the parlor tricks can be figured out without the tour but is very fun to see it firsthand. It's cool to see what goes on before the fright begins.
And one line for SassyTink, I never said I didn't like AC. I actually do like it. I just said and you can MARK MY WORD, on Sept 27, it will close regardless of the effort. If I am wrong, then I will start a thread with "I WAS WRONG".
 

nibblesandbits

Well-Known Member
I dont know what everyone is fighting for. Every video i've seen of AC people having a good time there is lots of booze beign passed around. Even monopoly seems fun when your swigging down wild turkey. Ive only seen 2 shows and i felt like i was watching bad wedding reception entertainment.

Not that the cast members arent funny. But drunken unscripted comedy only works if you are drunken too. Its like when a rock band mentions the name of your city and everyone goes whoooo!

I will be very happy when the number one family place in america gets back to its roots and forgets about the "drunk uncle" that is PI. If you are that guillable and like to pay 7 dollars a drink for 3/4 water drinks..then by all means keep fighting to keep this club open.
In the mean time im sure walt disney himself will stop rolling over very soon! Beer + Good judgement dont mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu6GnSFZKSE&feature=related

I just know from my own personal history when im drunk i make out with older men that i dont know in public too! so i stay off the hooch.
Why not just do a version of whose line is it anyway instead of this bad vegas lounge act from the 70's.


I strongly disagree with this.

I don't drink alcohol. Don't touch the stuff...simply don't like the taste or any of it.

With that being said...I am one who is deeply saddened by the closure of this club. It was a place that was unique and while the comedy there might not have interested you...it did interest a good portion of people. It was straight up funny to me. I always left there with a smile on my face and usually I would have laughed harder that night than I did in a long time. Everyone that I talked to at home about the place all said...next time we get down to Disney, we have to go there. Unfortunately, that will not become a reality.

But to say that the only way that place is funny is to be drunk off your rear end...you are absolutely 100% mistaken.
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
....and we are into our last month...:(

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Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I visited AC more than likely for the last time on Saturday evening. The place was insanely busy. The salon, mask and treasure rooms were completely packed even during a library show. I only hope that Disney sees this and if they do not decide to save the club as is I hope they take the concept and apply it to something akin to Hoop de do. I know that if Dinner was included I would have no problem dropping $40-$50 a pop to see Pamella and Otis continue their radio broadcast.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
I visited AC more than likely for the last time on Saturday evening. The place was insanely busy. The salon, mask and treasure rooms were completely packed even during a library show. I only hope that Disney sees this and if they do not decide to save the club as is I hope they take the concept and apply it to something akin to Hoop de do. I know that if Dinner was included I would have no problem dropping $40-$50 a pop to see Pamella and Otis continue their radio broadcast.

Honestly, you have a great idea. That is the best thing I have heard yet regarding the closing of this club. A dinner show revolving around the AC would be a wonderful concept. Obviously we are all just tooting our own horns but I love the idea. It's fresh and would keep that genre alive for all that love it so much.
I believe you need to think creatively when presenting a point to keep something you love. You have done that. Great idea!!!

Also, I will validate what someone else said earlier regarding drinking at the club. You do not have to drink there to have a great time however many do chug the booze. On the other hand, many do not. There are crazy people that do not belong in public and some that want you to know they have been there before. It is those people I do not like but for the most part, (if you don't get the drunks and annoying regulars) AC is a great experience.
 

Master Gracey

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Oh dmagickingdom, I am well aware of what Downtown Disney is comprised of, and one of the few statements that you made are true, DVC members do know everything. We are able to seek out the cast members that know the answers we seek, and we are able to pass the answers along to others. And the ghost town of Pleasure Island that you speak of is simply not true. I have seen with my own eyes (pre and post June 27th, 2008) a bustling nightlife that has not even remotely run its course. The Adventurers Club and Comedy Warehouse lines I have witnessed have been well out the door, and overflowing mobs populate Mannequins and 8TRAX.

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The only clubs I have seen dead are BET and Motion, which I would gladly see transformed in restaurants (an Adventurers Club Restaurant and Firework Factory come to mind)! The demand is still there, and would grow even more if Disney would advertise and merchandise Pleasure Island again.

As for the listing of my qualifications on speaking on these matters (i.e. DVC Member, Annual passholder, and stockholder), I only mentioned them not to sound aloof, but to illustrate the point that Disney never contacted me, or any of my friends that also posses these qualifications, to inquire as to what we thought of Pleasure Island and its future. Usually owning these three items, indicates a person that has visited Walt Disney World numerous times, has seen both the good and bad changes, could be instrumental in letting the company know what they have done successfully and have failed at, and could help guide them towards bringing the changes (and preserving favorites) that would make a one-time guest into a repeat guest, possibly intrigue them into purchasing annual passes, DVC membership, ect. This is why these items were listed, so perhaps it is you who should read my posts a little more carefully.

Lastly, while I am interested in seeing my investments grow, I am not interested in seeing storytelling compromised for profit. That is the heart of most of my Disney arguments. While Disney is wise to prepare for the upcoming economy, they need to re-evaluate their priorities. Disney is first and foremost known for entertainment, and instead of cutting unnecessary costs, (i.e. Free Disney Dining Plans, Year of A Million Dreams Premiums, ect.) what is being slashed property wide? Entertainment: Adventurers Club, Comedy Warehouse, Four for a Dollar, Pocahontas and her Forest Friends, Voices of Liberty, the list goes on and on! While change can be a good thing, when it comes to Disney change, it usually means another tradition is being lost for a quick buck based on a fad that does not posses lasting appeal. Until next time:

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Master Gracey, you see that as "Entertainment", and the executives in charge of the place see that as "Labor".

Labor, especially hourly labor, is the easiest cost to trim in a downturn, in most any industry. Simply stop scheduling those acts to perform, and you save big money right away, in a matter of weeks. You then save more money incrementally in future weeks and months as you no longer have to support the infrastructure of costuming, hair/makeup, technical services, stage management, etc. Now you aren't just trimming a quartet of singers or a stage show in a club, but you've trimmed out support roles and plenty more labor behind the scenes.

It's all about labor dollars, and those are the easiest and quickest to trim. It's nothing that is exclusive to Disney, or the theme park industry. That's a business concept used in almost all commerce and industry.

Labor hours and dollars are always the first to go when business slows, or shows signs of slowing.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
Master Gracey, you see that as "Entertainment", and the executives in charge of the place see that as "Labor".

Labor, especially hourly labor, is the easiest cost to trim in a downturn, in most any industry. Simply stop scheduling those acts to perform, and you save big money right away, in a matter of weeks. You then save more money incrementally in future weeks and months as you no longer have to support the infrastructure of costuming, hair/makeup, technical services, stage management, etc. Now you aren't just trimming a quartet of singers or a stage show in a club, but you've trimmed out support roles and plenty more labor behind the scenes.

It's all about labor dollars, and those are the easiest and quickest to trim. It's nothing that is exclusive to Disney, or the theme park industry. That's a business concept used in almost all commerce and industry.

Labor hours and dollars are always the first to go when business slows, or shows signs of slowing.

that's exactly the point i have been speaking of now for some time. Unfortunately when Disney was spending dollars with a seemingly limitless budget, the company began falling after Walt died. I hate to say it because I was not too fond of him, but Eisner brought something to the company that was well needed. A budget and a business point of view. While this took some quality that Disney was used to, it still allowed us to see WDW instead of a closed abandoned theme park. I hate the sequel movies that Eisner allowed such as Cinderella II, etc. but he did show the company how to shave dollars and still create magic. Now that the profit once achieved in PI is no more, they are keeping what Eisner taught the company by eliminating it.

And Gracey, not to stereotype DVC but for the most part, cast members don't like you (DVC). Many DVC are VERY kind and nice but there are a lot of them that are very demanding and think the CM should jump for ANYTHING you want. Those DVC members "believe" they know it all. Maybe it's just a small percentage like you are. I don't know. The ones like you let it be known that you are DVC such as you have done. At that point it is known where to take the conversation. Trust me, I know. ;) As a DVC member and other affiliations with the company as well, I represent the better half of DVC and my organization. I appreciate you indirectly commending me for "knowing it all" as a DVC member but I am not that self absorbed. I am no different than anyone else in DVC and have the same Disney knowledge equalling or exceeding you and potentially many others, having lived from the park for many, many years and committing time in employment there as well, learning the in's and out's of the company and seeing DVC from the CM view. Employment with WDW is the POV you haven't seen living in PA and simply being a DVC member. Just remember, you are treated well there no matter how rude, obnoxious or demanding you are because from a cast members POV, they are "representing the company they love (DVC or not DVC), onstage at all times, staying true to Walt's dream.
They are not some random DVC person from PA that says they represent Disney while bashing them from every angle, while sitting at their computer in a non-Disney affiliated forum. If you dislike their decisions so much as you have stated over and over again, then there must not be anything left for you to enjoy. That leads me to challenge you to SELL YOUR DVC MEMBERSHIP away and RIP YOUR ANNUAL TICKETS UP.
I bet you will not do this so stop complaining and support the company you have committed so much time into. IT IS CLOSING SEPT 27 LIKE IT OR NOT! There is no need to represent to me how much you dislike that fact they don't contact you or me or anyone else before they make a business decision.

Disney does not roll out the red carpet for you, me or anyone else in DVC so maybe you should get over yourself and your 5 shares of collectible stock.

I wish it were as simple as pleasing everyone but they can't. To protect their company's assets, they must shave what is not producing.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
Oh dmagickingdom, I am well aware of what Downtown Disney is comprised of, and one of the few statements that you made are true, DVC members do know everything. We are able to seek out the cast members that know the answers we seek, and we are able to pass the answers along to others. And the ghost town of Pleasure Island that you speak of is simply not true. I have seen with my own eyes (pre and post June 27th, 2008) a bustling nightlife that has not even remotely run its course. The Adventurers Club and Comedy Warehouse lines I have witnessed have been well out the door, and overflowing mobs populate Mannequins and 8TRAX.

The only clubs I have seen dead are BET and Motion, which I would gladly see transformed in restaurants (an Adventurers Club Restaurant and Firework Factory come to mind)! The demand is still there, and would grow even more if Disney would advertise and merchandise Pleasure Island again.[/FONT][/SIZE]

As for the listing of my qualifications on speaking on these matters (i.e. DVC Member, Annual passholder, and stockholder), I only mentioned them not to sound aloof, but to illustrate the point that Disney never contacted me, or any of my friends that also posses these qualifications, to inquire as to what we thought of Pleasure Island and its future. Usually owning these three items, indicates a person that has visited Walt Disney World numerous times, has seen both the good and bad changes, could be instrumental in letting the company know what they have done successfully and have failed at, and could help guide them towards bringing the changes (and preserving favorites) that would make a one-time guest into a repeat guest, possibly intrigue them into purchasing annual passes, DVC membership, ect. This is why these items were listed, so perhaps it is you who should read my posts a little more carefully.

Lastly, while I am interested in seeing my investments grow, I am not interested in seeing storytelling compromised for profit. That is the heart of most of my Disney arguments. While Disney is wise to prepare for the upcoming economy, they need to re-evaluate their priorities. Disney is first and foremost known for entertainment, and instead of cutting unnecessary costs, (i.e. Free Disney Dining Plans, Year of A Million Dreams Premiums, ect.) what is being slashed property wide? Entertainment: Adventurers Club, Comedy Warehouse, Four for a Dollar, Pocahontas and her Forest Friends, Voices of Liberty, the list goes on and on! While change can be a good thing, when it comes to Disney change, it usually means another tradition is being lost for a quick buck based on a fad that does not posses lasting appeal. Until next time:

Some days you eat the mouse.
Some days the mouse eats you.
But never give into the mouse without a fight!

KUNGALOOSH!
And also Gracey,
you could not argue that possessing those "qualifications" if you wanna call it that from Disney's POV would probably make you or me biased in our judgement of what we like. You would agree that someone that has invested in DVC has spent many dollars because we really enjoy Disney. This could also make us hardcore "roadies" if you will. That could easily result is having tunnel vision. We do not see the numbers produced therefore you would have to agree we are not looking at a full scope of the situation. All we see is Disney is taking something we enjoy going to when we're there. We pick out days when we saw it busy and say, "it's always busy". We forget the times when we walk by and pay no mind to if it is busy or not. I believe if it was making killer $$$ then it would be staying.

However, as I said earlier, I believe this other member idea of a "Hoop" dinner show themed with AC is a genius idea. If you are going to argue a point, you must have a great idea like this one to present in compromise of the closing. Otherwise, Disney has made their decision and it's final. And, who knows, maybe that's on the table. They haven't said yet for sure what's going on other than 3rd party shops etc. That doesn't rule out Disney turning that part into a dinner show.

If it helps put out the fire though, I am really tired of this back and forth. I have stated my case attempting to look at it from both sides.
Seriously, look into the Haunted Mansion tour though. It's awesome. It's the best thing I have ever done Disney related.
 

wdwfan100

Active Member
To all who are keeping up the fight to save AC I want to say thank you. I have been away for a while and I am thrilled to see that there is still plenty of passion toward this endeavor.:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:
 

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