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joel_maxwell

Permanent Resident of EPCOT
marni1971 said:
I`d hate to see WoL bulldozed for the sake of bulldozing it. It`s a prominent building, and some great architecture. The scale of what could be installed inside the dome is huge; the berm out front could always be removed to allow ground level access since it`s purely decorative - a complaint here a while ago was it hides the pavilion and impedes traffic flow uphill
true, the dome is neat and has potential...... my gripe is the inside decor. it doesnt even relate to the gold dome. but would the attraction suffer trying to fit somehting in a pre-exsisting building? you might be limited.... havent we seen this before?
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
wdwishes2005 said:
And i'll stay firmly in realism..... I believe earlier in the thread you said

A quick look back shows that I have indeed NOT posted ALL negative posts. Get the facts straight.
Realism? Maybe from your viewpoint, but not based in reality. If you think a Monsters Inc attraction doesn't fit, that's fine. However, assuming that just because you feel that way means that the attraction shouldn't be built or is a complete failure because of your opinion is annoying at best. I'm betting a lot of guests will jump at the chance to experience the MI attraction and apparently WDI feels the same.

The problem is that you have taken the complaints to a whole new level and you now claim the project has no merit (and you will only ride so you can moan and complain -- your words) because you feel it's out of place. Thankfully, you're not getting a paycheck from WDI, who believes that it will fit as good as other attractions fit today.

Relating your opinion that it MAY not fit is one thing... continually griping and complaining is not. And yes, the facts are straight that your posts concerning new attractions or updates to attractions are almost to a point, negative. I did check the history. :wave:
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
jmaxwell007 said:
true, the dome is neat and has potential...... my gripe is the inside decor. it doesnt even relate to the gold dome. but would the attraction suffer trying to fit somehting in a pre-exsisting building? you might be limited.... havent we seen this before?
I agree... starting over may allow them to provide a much better attraction than attempting to shoehorn into the existing structure.

Plus, the M:S building looks great IMO. :D
 

mousermerf

Account Suspended
Original Poster
planet7 said:
Thanks, Mousemef, for the proper reply. I don't agree with all your conclusions, but it's nice to see somoene at least think through them.

As I said in a previous post, I think the new entrance area is indeed an improvement. It's the interior that I think sorely lacks imagination. I can see your point that it has a bit more "upscale" feel (I wouldn't go so far as to say "posh"), yet it's done in very generic way. Interstingly too, while the lower level has gotten more "upscale", the restaurant upstairs (whatever it's called these days) has deteriorated to a "revolving Denny's". I don't know if you remember its days as The Good Turn and subseqeuntly The Land Grille Room, but it was much, much more upscale--even "posh", by theme park standards, with a rich, inviting atmosphere.

As to the connection between the elements, what do you feel connects the Living with the Land and Cirlce of Life to the rest of the pavilion? And what does Soarin' have to do with The Land? And I'm afraid that I don't get the connection between the carpet and the boat ride. Can you elaborate?

Have you eaten at the new food court? The offering sound more "upscale", but I didn't find the food that special, myself. I miss the Handwich and the Kraft cheese bread, among other things.

G7

Lots to cover...

The carpet in the seating "pods" is the same idea as the mural behind the children's quotes in the Living with the Land queue. It's essentially abstract interpetations of fields from above. In Seasons, it's different colors for different seasons.

Next, the big hallways in Soarin' with the backlit scenic shots and trivia screens seemed to come out of nowhere, though being enjoyable. It turns out they're not - the scenic shots and trivia idea came from the pre-show for the Circle of Life. The two are actually so close in their style and presentation that it's obvious the newer borrowed from the elder.

The Garden Grill is a victim of it's demographic - kids. It tried a different menu after first reopening and it bombed because people wanted the platter style fried foods from before. If anything, the 94 rehab killed Garden Grill, not the current one. It's really not dead, it's just a character meal now though, and those aren't too classy in and of themselves. People can argue all they want, but Cinderella's castle is not an upscale affair. Few WDW restaurants can be - for instance California Grill tried to institute an "age recommendation" but it didn't work, as families wanting to watch the fireworks with 5 screaming children still crowded the place.

As far as the food court, i can get motzarella or olives and i can get a froofy salad, so to me it's a big improvement over the junky food of the past. Kraft made mac and cheese and miracle whip - the picnic lunch. It's moved more toward an asian infusion style faire with an emphasis on "from the land" and "raw" style foods.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
mhead said:
AMEN and WELL SAID!:sohappy:

What exactly did he say?? I can't for the life of me figure it out. It stopped making sense after his second post.

I guess, for this thread, it's time to break out the new official mascot for the doubters with nothing but negativity...

Here you all go:

chickenlittle.jpg
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
STR8FAN2005 said:
The Simpsons suck! Family Guy is better!

:p :lol:

Sorry I owe my HOLY CRAPS to Frank from Raymond not Peter. Although I can don a mean Peter laugh. And Simpsons do suck -- except for the Mark Hamill Ep, still stored on my TIVO. But that :p reall ticks me off --- I HATE YOU ALL --
 
wow... people really spent all morning calling each other idiots over their opinions on attractions in a theme park based around a cartoon mouse... we do realize at the end of the day thats all it is, right? we love it to death of course, but really is it worth getting angry over? this was all started over holes in a mural. im gonna go ahead and say this: they could bulldoze cinderella's castle and put in a giant paper clip and you know what? id get over it. itd be annoying, id be sad, but after awhile i would just get over it. this forum is a place where fans can discuss what they love about the place and we all have the right to do that. there are very very few people at disney who know if something is indeed fact. i dont care who you are, unless its been ok'd by Iger himself, or publicly announced, anything anyone says here is just speculation, opinion, or MOST LIKELY fact based on inside knowledge they have gained. there are several people on this forum who WORK for disney or have been significant parts of developing parts of wdw but even they would say that what they know, may not always be absolutely true. fact is fact, opinion is opinion. an opinion is how you personally think the refurb of the land has turned out. a fact is observing how much more people have been going to the land since soarin was put it. the truth is, it has had a lot more people coming to it, and at the end of the day that means success. i like waht they did to the land. IMO it was boring before. i dont care about plants or how im supposed to eat or conservation (DONT GET ME WRONG!!! ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!!!) but i got all of that from my 5th grade science class. i want to be entertained. do i need a story to do that? no. when you were a kid and went on a plane ride for the first time, did that have a story? no. was it exciting? for me it was (for those who dont like flying, probably not). and who cares where they put the monsters inc ride? they could put it in the middle of kilamanjaro safari and id still go see it. am i gonna give them a hard time abotu where they put it? no! they are disney, not our personal savior. look at the hard time they have pleasing their die-hard fans just by looking at this board how they heck do you expect them to please everyone? but people are still gonna get annoyed about what others say on this board. im an engineering major and take a lot of math and science, and i know this guy whos a psych major and every now and then he likes to lecture me about physics and what he knows and a lot of time its wrong and that really bothers me. no one likes to hear someone tell them something they personally know to be wrong as fact. that doesnt mean that anyone is an "idiot". it just really bothers me that when i take a break from my boring work to discuss something i really enjoy to find "radical extremeist" disney fans arguing about something so crazy. did any of you guys realize that you were all just basically saying the same thing? lets recap:
-everyone has a right to say waht they want and should expect people to respond however they would like as well
-change is good
-respect for original purpose of parks should be maintained

im sure theres more but i dont have the attention span to go back through that mess. so say waht ud like, you can completely disregard everything ive said because after all, who the heck am i to say this? no one. just a disney fan. just like you.
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
CommandoDisney said:
wow... people really spent all morning calling each other idiots over their opinions on attractions in a theme park based around a cartoon mouse... we do realize at the end of the day thats all it is, right? we love it to death of course, but really is it worth getting angry over? this was all started over holes in a mural. im gonna go ahead and say this: they could bulldoze cinderella's castle and put in a giant paper clip and you know what? id get over it. itd be annoying, id be sad, but after awhile i would just get over it. this forum is a place where fans can discuss what they love about the place and we all have the right to do that. there are very very few people at disney who know if something is indeed fact. i dont care who you are, unless its been ok'd by Iger himself, or publicly announced, anything anyone says here is just speculation, opinion, or MOST LIKELY fact based on inside knowledge they have gained. there are several people on this forum who WORK for disney or have been significant parts of developing parts of wdw but even they would say that what they know, may not always be absolutely true. fact is fact, opinion is opinion. an opinion is how you personally think the refurb of the land has turned out. a fact is observing how much more people have been going to the land since soarin was put it. the truth is, it has had a lot more people coming to it, and at the end of the day that means success. i like waht they did to the land. IMO it was boring before. i dont care about plants or how im supposed to eat or conservation (DONT GET ME WRONG!!! ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!!!) but i got all of that from my 5th grade science class. i want to be entertained. do i need a story to do that? no. when you were a kid and went on a plane ride for the first time, did that have a story? no. was it exciting? for me it was (for those who dont like flying, probably not). and who cares where they put the monsters inc ride? they could put it in the middle of kilamanjaro safari and id still go see it. am i gonna give them a hard time abotu where they put it? no! they are disney, not our personal savior. look at the hard time they have pleasing their die-hard fans just by looking at this board how they heck do you expect them to please everyone? but people are still gonna get annoyed about what others say on this board. im an engineering major and take a lot of math and science, and i know this guy whos a psych major and every now and then he likes to lecture me about physics and what he knows and a lot of time its wrong and that really bothers me. no one likes to hear someone tell them something they personally know to be wrong as fact. that doesnt mean that anyone is an "idiot". it just really bothers me that when i take a break from my boring work to discuss something i really enjoy to find "radical extremeist" disney fans arguing about something so crazy. did any of you guys realize that you were all just basically saying the same thing? lets recap:
-everyone has a right to say waht they want and should expect people to respond however they would like as well
-change is good
-respect for original purpose of parks should be maintained

im sure theres more but i dont have the attention span to go back through that mess. so say waht ud like, you can completely disregard everything ive said because after all, who the heck am i to say this? no one. just a disney fan. just like you.

That post was so dumb (if you can't tell that was in jest -- may god have mercy on your soul)
 

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