SA VI Stanza X: Disney Royale! Open Brainstorming Thread

CookieMouse

Well-Known Member
That’s a cool idea!


I think for Mumbai we should ditch Frontierland, Critter Country, and _____ Square. It holds no value in India. If anything Adventureland could become our Indian History land. I think we should build it up as a significant area, maybe around the scale of Hong Kong.

Then, instead of Fantasyland leaning to the right, it should lean left. That opens up the space usually in Adventure + Frontier to Tomorrowland and Avengers Campus.
the ride system and layout would be very similar to space mountain in Disneyland California, but with enough differences in theme for it to be considered it’s own ride. It would also have a better queue, including a preshow and little windows where you can see crops that the humans have made, like pizza plants, as a reference to the captain thinking that pizza is a type of plant.
 

mickeyfan5534

Well-Known Member
YES again. In addition to the daytime parade and nighttime castle show (and maybe a daytime castle stage show? how do people feel about those?), I feel there should be 3 major theater shows, one for Adventureland/Frontierland (Lion King maybe?), one in Fantasyland (Mickey and the ______ style), and one in Tomorrowland. We have some creators who could work wonders in these venues!
I have the makings of an idea for a daytime show. Something of a modern update of Viva! Magic that used to run at Tokyo Disneyland during its 15th Anniversary crossed with a Bollywood style.

For major theater shows, I have a pitch or two sitting somewhere in my Google Drive I can dig up. There is a scrapped nighttime parade idea that never really passed an aesthetic idea sitting around as well.
 

CookieMouse

Well-Known Member
I also have an idea for a wall-e themed Spinner ride, which would fill the role of the Astro orbiter style ride, but would be made out of “junk” and the vehicles could be like wagons, maybe a little dumbo vehicle to pay homage, and a pizza planet truck. It would be a whole wall-e sub area. The area could also have sculptures made of recycled materials.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
That’s a cool idea!


I think for Mumbai we should ditch Frontierland, Critter Country, and _____ Square. It holds no value in India. If anything Adventureland could become our Indian History land. I think we should build it up as a significant area, maybe around the scale of Hong Kong.

Then, instead of Fantasyland leaning to the right, it should lean left. That opens up the space usually in Adventure + Frontier to Tomorrowland and Avengers Campus.
I agree!
 

mickeyfan5534

Well-Known Member
More thoughts to come. Let's start discussing the traditional Castle Park lands and what we might do with them.
I've always thought of a park that really expands on the hub and spoke system. Hubs and spokes in hubs and spokes. Making the park shaped like a blooming flower with the stem being whatever we decide on making Main Street and each of the lands an overlapping petal.
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
CASTLE & HUB

Last night I suggested using the Taj Mahal site as inspiration. Here I'll expand on it.

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It's incredibly rough, but here's an idea of how a Tangled castle would look using the Taj's site design.

I've been there in person, and the overall proportions reminded me a lot of Disney's castles & hubs...but even more beautiful. There is a lovely geometric balance between the central structure (roughly 200' tall) and the minarets & site.

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It's actually arranged north-south like Main Street with the Taj/castle due north for perfect sunlight.

The "2" plaza can correlate with our initial Main Street plaza - do this section covered like Tokyo per @Disney Dad 3000 's suggestion. The grand gate which beautifully frames the Taj, that can correspond with our train station. The gardens become the Main Street shops at least up to the "4" hub area. Past the "4" (which is an elevated centuries-old platform designed for selfies) we can have the garden & water hub area framing the castle, with petals splitting away like @mickeyfan5534 proposed.

One of the big things about Taj Mahal are the reflecting pools in front of the "castle." These pools would interfere with Main Street elements and with the hub, but I'm sure we can figure out a way to do both. It would be a shame to lose them completely.
 

Tux

Well-Known Member
@Tux I remember from back in January you mentioned wanting to try writing a show - that might come in handy with our live-entertainment push!
Oh yeah! Should we try to maybe branch out with some original shows based on the lands/themes in the park instead of the regular IP based show? So, perhaps in Adventureland we could have a Bollywood type performance, a comedic Jungle Cruise type show, a S.E.A epic, and 1-2 broadway type performances taken from the movies. In Fantasyland we could have shows taken from the roots of mythology from around the world, maybe some stage plays on the life of Odin, the life of perseus, Inanna and Ereshkigal, and the story of Izanangi and Izanami. Then have 1-2 IP based shows there. Then in Tomorrowland, we could have a musical taking inspiration from Sonny Eclipse's backstory and band, and a stage play taking inspiration from Alien Encounter. Finally, for the Avengers Campus, perhaps a quick reenactment of Stage 1 of the MCU.
CASTLE & HUB

Last night I suggested using the Taj Mahal site as inspiration. Here I'll expand on it.

enhance

It's incredibly rough, but here's an idea of how a Tangled castle would look using the Taj's site design.

I've been there in person, and the overall proportions reminded me a lot of Disney's castles & hubs...but even more beautiful. There is a lovely geometric balance between the central structure (roughly 200' tall) and the minarets & site.

cfeb7c3185fdb80296e9157c37e0aa9e.jpg

It's actually arranged north-south like Main Street with the Taj/castle due north for perfect sunlight.

The "2" plaza can correlate with our initial Main Street plaza - do this section covered like Tokyo per @Disney Dad 3000 's suggestion. The grand gate which beautifully frames the Taj, that can correspond with our train station. The gardens become the Main Street shops at least up to the "4" hub area. Past the "4" (which is an elevated centuries-old platform designed for selfies) we can have the garden & water hub area framing the castle, with petals splitting away like @mickeyfan5534 proposed.

One of the big things about Taj Mahal are the reflecting pools in front of the "castle." These pools would interfere with Main Street elements and with the hub, but I'm sure we can figure out a way to do both. It would be a shame to lose them completely.
Should we change up anything in Main Street to take inspiration from India's culture and architecture as well or would that confuse the environment/theme of Main Street by mixing it too much in-between Walt's hometown and the streets of India? Especially since Tangled is being thrown into the mix as well. Just curious.
 

Brer Panther

Well-Known Member
Maybe, continuing off the "let's have a Haunted Mansion or a ride similar to it in a different land in each park" thing, we could have a Haunted Mansion replacement in Tomorrowland? Some sort of "Haunted House of the Future" or something?

I also thought of an Alice in Wonderland indoor coaster for Fantasyland. Does anybody like that idea?

An entirely new slate of Fantasyland dark rides is a must. Something scary (Snow White analogue), something adventurous (Pinocchio analogue), something with wonder (Alice analogue), something insane (Mr. Toad analogue), and something beautiful (Peter Pan analogue).
Okay, something scary could easily be The Black Cauldron (we're allowed to do clones of rides from Sorcerer's Apprentice projects, so we could do a clone of this), The Legend of Sleepy Hollow with Ichabod Crane and the Headless Horseman, or Sleeping Beauty (like how they originally planned it for the Magic Kingdom). The adventurous dark ride could be Aladdin (though that might work better in Adventureland) or Robin Hood. The insane ride could be One Hundred and One Dalmatians, The Sword in the Stone (like this) or... I dunno, Dumbo? Hercules? A variation on the previously-mentioned Aladdin dark ride focusing on a tour of the Genie's lamp (that might have potential)? The beautiful ride could be... honestly, all that's coming to mind is Tangled, and I'm not sure how well that would lend itself to a dark ride.

For the something with wonder, this might be a weird idea, but what if we based it off a Silly Symphony or a segment from one of the package films? We could do a Cookie Carnival ride or a Music Land ride, or a ride based off a Fantasia segment like Dance of the Hours or the Pastoral Symphony (though I'd think a ride based off Night on Bald Mountain or The Rite of Spring would work better as the Snow White analogue).

On top of this, Jungle Book is a must for somewhere in the park (*cough* Adventureland) as is Avengers Campus.
I agree.

How about we make a Winnie the Pooh themed flume ride to take the place of splash mountain, and place it in fantasyland?
I was gonna suggest a Jungle Book flume ride to take the place of Splash Mountain, but I like your Pooh idea more!
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
Also, if it isn’t already clear, I’m in for the game. Which team will I be on?
So far there aren't teams. Just brainstorming, teams to come later. You've focused on Tomorrowland & Fantasyland, so those might become your teams! :D

Oh yeah! Should we try to maybe branch out with some original shows based on the lands/themes in the park instead of the regular IP based show? So, perhaps in Adventureland we could have a Bollywood type performance, a comedic Jungle Cruise type show, a S.E.A epic, and 1-2 broadway type performances taken from the movies. In Fantasyland we could have shows taken from the roots of mythology from around the world, maybe some stage plays on the life of Odin, the life of perseus, Inanna and Ereshkigal, and the story of Izanangi and Izanami. Then have 1-2 IP based shows there. Then in Tomorrowland, we could have a musical taking inspiration from Sonny Eclipse's backstory and band, and a stage play taking inspiration from Alien Encounter. Finally, for the Avengers Campus, perhaps a quick reenactment of Stage 1 of the MCU.

Should we change up anything in Main Street to take inspiration from India's culture and architecture as well or would that confuse the environment/theme of Main Street by mixing it too much in-between Walt's hometown and the streets of India? Especially since Tangled is being thrown into the mix as well. Just curious.
While this is maybe a few too MANY shows, I am in love with your ideas. Totally on board with an Adventureland Bollywood show - research "Arjun" (from Mahabharata) for a possible topic.

How about devising a new animatronic show like Tiki Room or Country Bears?
 

NateD1226

Well-Known Member
Ride Lineup Ideas (so far)

Fantasyland
-Tangled (E-Ticket)
-Mr Toads Wild Ride
-Snow White Scary Adventure
-Alice In Wonderland Coaster
-Cloned Attraction

Tomorrowland
-Wall-E ride
-Wall-E spinner

Adventureland
-Pooh Flume
-Jungle Book Flume
-Jungle Cruise

Undeveloped Land/Misc.
-Haunted Mansion type ride
-New AA show
-1 more coaster
-Flat rides

Entertainment
-Shows
-1 Parade
-Firework show

Feel free to add anything
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
OVERALL RESORT LAYOUT

Right now we’re focusing on the all-important Castle Park, but there’s a whole resort needed to support it! How to design that?

How about expanding on Disneyland’s hub & spoke model to create a compact and walkable resort? Somewhat like how Disneyland Paris is laid out. The Castle Park (Mumbai Disneyland) is located in the Fantasyland spot, with the Adventureland & Tomorrowland spots on either side as expansion pads for the 2nd & 3rd gate (with shared backstage infrastructure). The hub & Main Street areas can serve as the resort backbone – the hotels, the Disney Springs equivalent, the transportation center for arriving guests. (In Mumbai guests will mostly arrive by public transportation; car ownership is limited.)



What about all the lands?

MAIN STREET USA

Let’s be realistic: Small town America circa 1900 won’t mean anything in Mumbai. We need a new concept which keeps the Main Street ethos. Shanghai tried that with Mickey Avenue, which is a big swing-and-a-miss honestly (too toony, the shortened street is a poor castle reveal).

Instead of USA, I suggest World Main Street (the name is not final). Reuse & modify facades from World Showcase, creating a sort of “global small town” vibe. Arrange different international styles like the park’s overall flow – Tomorrowland/Asia, Fantasyland/Europe, Frontierland/North America (if it happens), Adventureland/South America & Africa & India.

My boldest idea: It’s a Small World goes here! Place the ride in the Opera House location, to serve as the park’s thesis statement. IASW’s colors & music would play really well to an Indian audience! To avoid the clone rule, redo the whole ride. Use the Shanghai Pirate ride tech, with projected visuals like MMRR’ 2½-D tech.

And of course there will be a Railroad! If there’s any country in the world which is more nostalgic about trains than the U.S.A., it’s India!

Disney IPs which fit here: Mickey & Pals, Lady & the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians, The Aristocats, Ratatouille, ABCD: Any Body Can Dance*

*That’s a Disney-produced Bollywood series about street dancing, kind of like Step it Up. @mickeyfan5534, parade?



ADVENTURELAND/FRONTIERLAND

Yeah, probably Frontierland is getting cut. If it remains, I see it and Adventureland switching roles. So Adventureland becomes about the local historical past, and Frontierland becomes about the exotic other in distant lands.

But it might be simpler to focus on an expanded Adventureland. One word of CAUTION: Let’s not reference British colonization in any way!

We can divide Adventureland into different sections to represent different tropical parts of the world. India should be represented; The Jungle Book is extremely popular in India, so I propose a Splash Mountain retheme. Bare Necessities post-ride shop. Something concerning Arjun – see the IP list below.

Africa section. Lion King stage show? It is 2nd only to Jungle Book in Indian popularity. Hakuna Matata restaurant, heavily-themed like Tokyo’s Queen of Hearts.

Latin America section. Do a new version of Haunted Mansion centered around say Mexican ghostly folklore (ghosts are A-OK in India). It gets a Coco overlay during Dia de los Muertos. Use the Ride & Go-Seek flashlight tag idea so this isn’t a clone of any existing Haunted Mansion.

Since SAU clones are okay, add in Fire Mountain from Brazil. It’s a Mexican version of Big Thunder, basically. Brazil’s Adventure Bay is ripe for cloning!

What should we do with Pirates of the Caribbean????!?!?!??

Disney IPs which fit Adventureland: Saludos Amigos, Three Caballeros, Jungle Book, The Lion King, Tarzan, The Emperor’s New Groove, Lilo & Stitch, Moana, Pirates of the Caribbean, Finding Nemo, Finding Dory, Up, Coco, Sanjay’s Super Team, Enchanted Tiki Room, Arjun*

*This is a Disney-produced Bollywood animated film about Arjun, a mythic national hero from Mahabharata. The movie itself is poor (and ludicrously obscure), but doing something with the Arjun myth would really appeal to our target audience.

Disney IPs which fit Frontierland: Bambi (could fit Fantasyland too), Song of the South, Ichabod, The Rescuers (Down Under?), The Fox & the Hound, Pocahontas, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, The Princess & the Frog, Disney’s Tall Tales, Gravity Falls


FANTASYLAND

First things first: Tangled castle! We all good with this?

Fantasyland is overloaded with potential! Let’s just go to the IP list right up front:

Disney IPs which fit here: Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia (+ 2000), Dumbo, Bambi, Mr. Toad, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, The Sword in the Stone, Mary Poppins, Robin Hood, Winnie the Pooh, The Black Cauldron, The Great Mouse Detective, The Little Mermaid, Beauty & the Beast, Aladdin, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tangled, Frozen, Frozen II, Raya & the Last Dragon*, Brave, Onward

*A Disney animated film slated to release later this year, seemingly based on Malaysian folklore

That’s enough for two whole lands! Actually, that’s one of my ideas – Two lands! Fantasyland for the western European fairy tale stuff, and Beastlyland/Mythicland/Wildlands for the more worldly tales like Hercules, Aladdin, Mulan, Raya, etc. Both lands would be somewhat behind the castle, with Mythicland a bit to the side towards Tomorrowland (like the new Beauty & the Beast subland in Tokyo).

@mickeyfan5534 proposed a new suite of Fantasyland dark rides. Here’s a quick rough draft attempt at that:

Scary (Snow White): Sleeping Beauty
Adventurous (Pinocchio): Tangled (land’s headlining E-ticket, let’s use the Enchanted Tale of Beauty & the Beast ride tech – basically the Rise of the Resistance ride tech)
Wonder (Alice): Bambi (this could use the omnimover approach so much better than Little Mermaid does)
Insane (Mr. Toad): I dunno…101 Dalmatians?
Beautiful (Peter Pan): Aladdin

There should probably be a Frozen thing somewhere too. A retheme the Seven Dwarfs coaster perhaps?

We’ll want non-clone flat rides & filler too. For Tea Party, what about a Mrs. Potts teacup retheme? For Dumbo, the Pegasus spinners we proposed for Wildlands. For Carousel…OK, can we clone this one? Other flat ride ideas: Tangled up-&-down baskets around Rapunzel’s tower. An Alice-themed Caterpillar spinning ride based on the Caucus Race scene. A sort of Philharmagic 2.0 in the vein of Star Tours 2.0, with randomized song sequences and regular updates. One major meet & greet attraction (in the castle?) done with quality & care. A Winnie the Pooh playground maybe.

There is a pile of potential in Fantasyland. We might consider leaving expansion pads beyond the railroad berm, like Hong Kong did for Grizzly Peak & Mystic Point, for everything we want here.

Disney IPs which fit just Mythicland: Fantasia, Fantasia 2000, Aladdin, Hercules, Mulan, Raya & the Last Dragon, Onward



TOMORROWLAND

Disney IPs which fit here: Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Meet the Robinsons, Big Hero 6, Wreck-It Ralph (+ sequel), WALL*E, Inside Out, TRON, Marvel, Star Wars

The big question we must answer for Tomorrowland: What is the future?

For a while now, Disney has been adding IPs to their Tomorrowlands in a way which undermines any attempt at a coherent theme. Discoveryland in Paris no longer makes sense now that it has Buzz Lightyear an Star Wars.

We’ll want several IPs in Tomorrowland, of course. Can we keep their visual intrusion mostly limited to indoors? So that the Tomorrowland exteriors keep a timeless, futurist feel. While I’m totally open to other suggestions, I can see a agrifuturist aesthetic working well – sort of like Singapore’s Gardens by the Bay mixed with some Eden Project et cetera. Shanghai’s Tomorrowland leans in this direction, but I think we can take it further (while reducing the big concrete expanse they have).

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As for rides? I love @ThatGuyFromFlorida ‘s proposal for a WALL*E Space Mountain. Could we add a unique ride system to this? Like perhaps Disney’s patented vertical-loading flying coaster idea?

Other ideas? In place of the Buzz shooter ride, let’s do it as Wreck-It Ralph!

Marvel’s Avengers is the elephant in the room. Endgame is the biggest foreign film in Indian history! They HAVE to appear! Will it be in Tomorrowland as a single gigantic E-ticket, or will we be making an entire Avengers Campus land? For now I’m in favor of a single Avengers ride, which can later become part of a new land expansion if we wish (like Star Tours folding into Galaxy’s Edge in WDW).

Oh, and NO Star Wars! Save that for a 2nd gate.


Disney IPs which I haven’t mentioned yet: Muppets, Oliver & Co., Roger Rabbit, Nightmare Before Christmas, Dinosaur, Chicken Little, Bolt, Zootopia, Toy Story, A Bug’s Life, Monsters Inc./U, The Incredibles, Cars, The Good Dinosaur, Soul

Some of these are very popular and will be expected in some form. (How can we prevent Toy Story Land? WDW aside, those are all awful.) Some, like Muppets, can fold into places like Main Street easily. Some, like most of the Pixar stuff, are best left for a 2nd gate.
 

Tux

Well-Known Member
While this is maybe a few too MANY shows, I am in love with your ideas. Totally on board with an Adventureland Bollywood show - research "Arjun" (from Mahabharata) for a possible topic.

How about devising a new animatronic show like Tiki Room or Country Bears?
Okay, so I should probably cut 1-2 shows from Adventureland and Fantasyland respectively then. Okay! Thank you for the recommendation idea! Maybe it could go throughout Arjun's life and his legacy?

Maybe we could reuse the idea of a scrapped idea for a kaiju comedy show that Imagineering came up with that was cancelled because they considered it too expensive at the time? The concept was created when Communicore first opened so they didn't have the technology and likely were trying to use physical sets. Parts of the concept were reused for the Monster's Laugh Floor judging by the premise, but, it would be nice to see a revival. Besides, the cloning part probably only applies to attractions that were actually physically in the park.

Then again this might be too much, so someone tell me if it's too much to do.
 

mickeyfan5534

Well-Known Member
Adventurous (Pinocchio): Tangled (land’s headlining E-ticket, let’s use the Enchanted Tale of Beauty & the Beast ride tech – basically the Rise of the Resistance ride tech)
Bouncing off this: can the ride be housed inside the castle? Something like Enchanted Tale's Beast's Castle show building combined with Disneyland's Sleeping Beauty Walkthrough having an attraction inside the main icon.

The big question we must answer for Tomorrowland: What is the future?
My little elevator pitch: Space Fantasy. Tomorrowland can't become Yesterdayland if your Tomorrow is something physically impossible to achieve.

Marvel’s Avengers is the elephant in the room. Endgame is the biggest foreign film in Indian history! They HAVE to appear! Will it be in Tomorrowland as a single gigantic E-ticket, or will we be making an entire Avengers Campus land? For now I’m in favor of a single Avengers ride, which can later become part of a new land expansion if we wish (like Star Tours folding into Galaxy’s Edge in WDW).
Elevator Pitch 2: Have Marvel Land as a transition area from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland. Going from the fantasy of yesterday to the fantasy of today to the fantasy of tomorrow.
 

Outbound

Well-Known Member
OVERALL RESORT LAYOUT

Right now we’re focusing on the all-important Castle Park, but there’s a whole resort needed to support it! How to design that?

How about expanding on Disneyland’s hub & spoke model to create a compact and walkable resort? Somewhat like how Disneyland Paris is laid out. The Castle Park (Mumbai Disneyland) is located in the Fantasyland spot, with the Adventureland & Tomorrowland spots on either side as expansion pads for the 2nd & 3rd gate (with shared backstage infrastructure). The hub & Main Street areas can serve as the resort backbone – the hotels, the Disney Springs equivalent, the transportation center for arriving guests. (In Mumbai guests will mostly arrive by public transportation; car ownership is limited.)



What about all the lands?

MAIN STREET USA

Let’s be realistic: Small town America circa 1900 won’t mean anything in Mumbai. We need a new concept which keeps the Main Street ethos. Shanghai tried that with Mickey Avenue, which is a big swing-and-a-miss honestly (too toony, the shortened street is a poor castle reveal).

Instead of USA, I suggest World Main Street (the name is not final). Reuse & modify facades from World Showcase, creating a sort of “global small town” vibe. Arrange different international styles like the park’s overall flow – Tomorrowland/Asia, Fantasyland/Europe, Frontierland/North America (if it happens), Adventureland/South America & Africa & India.

My boldest idea: It’s a Small World goes here! Place the ride in the Opera House location, to serve as the park’s thesis statement. IASW’s colors & music would play really well to an Indian audience! To avoid the clone rule, redo the whole ride. Use the Shanghai Pirate ride tech, with projected visuals like MMRR’ 2½-D tech.

And of course there will be a Railroad! If there’s any country in the world which is more nostalgic about trains than the U.S.A., it’s India!





ADVENTURELAND/FRONTIERLAND

Yeah, probably Frontierland is getting cut. If it remains, I see it and Adventureland switching roles. So Adventureland becomes about the local historical past, and Frontierland becomes about the exotic other in distant lands.

But it might be simpler to focus on an expanded Adventureland. One word of CAUTION: Let’s not reference British colonization in any way!

We can divide Adventureland into different sections to represent different tropical parts of the world. India should be represented; The Jungle Book is extremely popular in India, so I propose a Splash Mountain retheme. Bare Necessities post-ride shop. Something concerning Arjun – see the IP list below.

Africa section. Lion King stage show? It is 2nd only to Jungle Book in Indian popularity. Hakuna Matata restaurant, heavily-themed like Tokyo’s Queen of Hearts.

Latin America section. Do a new version of Haunted Mansion centered around say Mexican ghostly folklore (ghosts are A-OK in India). It gets a Coco overlay during Dia de los Muertos. Use the Ride & Go-Seek flashlight tag idea so this isn’t a clone of any existing Haunted Mansion.

Since SAU clones are okay, add in Fire Mountain from Brazil. It’s a Mexican version of Big Thunder, basically. Brazil’s Adventure Bay is ripe for cloning!

What should we do with Pirates of the Caribbean????!?!?!??






FANTASYLAND

First things first: Tangled castle! We all good with this?

Fantasyland is overloaded with potential! Let’s just go to the IP list right up front:



That’s enough for two whole lands! Actually, that’s one of my ideas – Two lands! Fantasyland for the western European fairy tale stuff, and Beastlyland/Mythicland/Wildlands for the more worldly tales like Hercules, Aladdin, Mulan, Raya, etc. Both lands would be somewhat behind the castle, with Mythicland a bit to the side towards Tomorrowland (like the new Beauty & the Beast subland in Tokyo).

@mickeyfan5534 proposed a new suite of Fantasyland dark rides. Here’s a quick rough draft attempt at that:

Scary (Snow White): Sleeping Beauty
Adventurous (Pinocchio): Tangled (land’s headlining E-ticket, let’s use the Enchanted Tale of Beauty & the Beast ride tech – basically the Rise of the Resistance ride tech)
Wonder (Alice): Bambi (this could use the omnimover approach so much better than Little Mermaid does)
Insane (Mr. Toad): I dunno…101 Dalmatians?
Beautiful (Peter Pan): Aladdin

There should probably be a Frozen thing somewhere too. A retheme the Seven Dwarfs coaster perhaps?

We’ll want non-clone flat rides & filler too. For Tea Party, what about a Mrs. Potts teacup retheme? For Dumbo, the Pegasus spinners we proposed for Wildlands. For Carousel…OK, can we clone this one? Other flat ride ideas: Tangled up-&-down baskets around Rapunzel’s tower. An Alice-themed Caterpillar spinning ride based on the Caucus Race scene. A sort of Philharmagic 2.0 in the vein of Star Tours 2.0, with randomized song sequences and regular updates. One major meet & greet attraction (in the castle?) done with quality & care. A Winnie the Pooh playground maybe.

There is a pile of potential in Fantasyland. We might consider leaving expansion pads beyond the railroad berm, like Hong Kong did for Grizzly Peak & Mystic Point, for everything we want here.





TOMORROWLAND



The big question we must answer for Tomorrowland: What is the future?

For a while now, Disney has been adding IPs to their Tomorrowlands in a way which undermines any attempt at a coherent theme. Discoveryland in Paris no longer makes sense now that it has Buzz Lightyear an Star Wars.

We’ll want several IPs in Tomorrowland, of course. Can we keep their visual intrusion mostly limited to indoors? So that the Tomorrowland exteriors keep a timeless, futurist feel. While I’m totally open to other suggestions, I can see a agrifuturist aesthetic working well – sort of like Singapore’s Gardens by the Bay mixed with some Eden Project et cetera. Shanghai’s Tomorrowland leans in this direction, but I think we can take it further (while reducing the big concrete expanse they have).

e22deded8b6927a9ed8873bc31a1d3e0.jpg


forest-city-7.jpg

As for rides? I love @ThatGuyFromFlorida ‘s proposal for a WALL*E Space Mountain. Could we add a unique ride system to this? Like perhaps Disney’s patented vertical-loading flying coaster idea?

Other ideas? In place of the Buzz shooter ride, let’s do it as Wreck-It Ralph!

Marvel’s Avengers is the elephant in the room. Endgame is the biggest foreign film in Indian history! They HAVE to appear! Will it be in Tomorrowland as a single gigantic E-ticket, or will we be making an entire Avengers Campus land? For now I’m in favor of a single Avengers ride, which can later become part of a new land expansion if we wish (like Star Tours folding into Galaxy’s Edge in WDW).

Oh, and NO Star Wars! Save that for a 2nd gate.




Some of these are very popular and will be expected in some form. (How can we prevent Toy Story Land? WDW aside, those are all awful.) Some, like Muppets, can fold into places like Main Street easily. Some, like most of the Pixar stuff, are best left for a 2nd gate.

I love all these ideas! I think this is a great building block for our park. I especially like Main Street. I'd go a step further with IASW and suggest it replace the Railroad Station as the first building you see in the park -

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I think it would be a very inviting and iconic building for the park. The train would stop here. The IASW ride would have its queue here, but would actually be run in a nearby showbuilding.
 

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