SA VI Stanza X: Disney Royale! Open Brainstorming Thread

Outbound

Well-Known Member
My little elevator pitch: Space Fantasy. Tomorrowland can't become Yesterdayland if your Tomorrow is something physically impossible to achieve.

This is another possible Tomorrowland theme! I'll try expanding on it.

Basically, make Galaxy's Edge but without the IP. A new colony is home to some new species (perhaps are misunderstood friends?), corporations (Buy in Large?), and smugglers abound (GOTG?). I think this works better if we are going the IP route, but if we want to do something more in the line of EPCOT, the utopian Tomorrowland is in order.
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
Okay, so I should probably cut 1-2 shows from Adventureland and Fantasyland respectively then. Okay! Thank you for the recommendation idea! Maybe it could go throughout Arjun's life and his legacy?

Maybe we could reuse the idea of a scrapped idea for a kaiju comedy show that Imagineering came up with that was cancelled because they considered it too expensive at the time? The concept was created when Communicore first opened so they didn't have the technology and likely were trying to use physical sets. Parts of the concept were reused for the Monster's Laugh Floor judging by the premise, but, it would be nice to see a revival. Besides, the cloning part probably only applies to attractions that were actually physically in the park.

Then again this might be too much, so someone tell me if it's too much to do.
It isn’t too much! This sort of sounds like a Tomorrowland version of Tiki/Bears, with newer tech. Sounds like a blast!

Bouncing off this: can the ride be housed inside the castle? Something like Enchanted Tale's Beast's Castle show building combined with Disneyland's Sleeping Beauty Walkthrough having an attraction inside the main icon.


My little elevator pitch: Space Fantasy. Tomorrowland can't become Yesterdayland if your Tomorrow is something physically impossible to achieve.


Elevator Pitch 2: Have Marvel Land as a transition area from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland. Going from the fantasy of yesterday to the fantasy of today to the fantasy of tomorrow.
100% on board with the Tangled E-ticket in the castle! Realistically, we’ll want most of the ride located in a nearby show building, but queueing and boarding within the main castle would really set ours apart!

Any pics for the Space Fantasy version of Tomorrowland? It sounds promising. Sounds like we should flesh out our attraction roster for Tomorrowland and see which style it should be.

Does anyone have a proposal for an Avengers land? I’m thinking to save on space between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland, this area could potentially go “beyond the berm” like the Hong Kong expansions.
I love all these ideas! I think this is a great building block for our park. I especially like Main Street. I'd go a step further with IASW and suggest it replace the Railroad Station as the first building you see in the park -

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I think it would be a very inviting and iconic building for the park. The train would stop here. The IASW ride would have its queue here, but would actually be run in a nearby showbuilding.
I love this idea! Hey, check out Mumbai’s central train station:

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It already feels like trains merged with Small World! Do a variation of this Mary Blair style. Fused with the Taj Mahal entry gates:

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and we have an iconic and uniquely Indian castle reveal moment!
 

Evilgidgit

Well-Known Member
I think we're gonna need more than a week for a project of this size!! o_O

I noticed someone suggested a Pooh-based log flume. What about as a river rapids?

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I'd agree that we steer away from involving British colonialism -- even though The Jungle Book is very much set in such an environment. Also, no harm to cows!

I can imagine Fantasyland being a little more garden-y than urban, filled with a lot of flowers, gardenwork, toparies, etc. As for Adventureland, might I suggest an original area, kind of like an arctic lost world of dinosaurs/Ice Age beasts, with a signature log flume, and possible connections to S.E.A.
 

mickeyfan5534

Well-Known Member
Any pics for the Space Fantasy version of Tomorrowland? It sounds promising.
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Amazing places and scenery mixed with... a pessimistic optimism I guess? A land of diverse people, robots, and aliens, but there's almost this sense of "if one thing goes wrong, this place is going to blow up" the entire time you're in it. Someone mentioned an IP-free GE and that's something similar to where I'd go with it. Think Galaxy's Edge by way of Mass Effect, Starship Troopers, and Men in Black via Star Trek, if that makes sense.
 

Evilgidgit

Well-Known Member
Interesting what ideas come to you when in the bathroom. What if we created an oasis in the centre of the park, a bit like Islands of Adventure, and when we exit out of the Main Street land, we see the Corona Castle across the water's edge. I think that would be a fantastic visual to have when stepping into the park's centre. Maybe there could be gardens around this area like in Shanghai.

Another idea -- a large, indoor-outdoor dark ride for Mr. Toad, mixing Autopia, Radiator Springs Racers, and Wild Ride together for a zany ride that zooms around Toad Hall and maybe even going around the rest of Fantasyland.
 

PerGron

Well-Known Member
So obviously as per our rules, there can’t be a port of Expedition Everest, but that section of Animal Kingdom is so brilliantly themed to an India-type area and I think finding a way to work something like that into an Adventureland would be great. Maybe since Pooh is looking like a favorite for a raft ride/log flume, maybe Jungle Book should be a coaster through King Louie’s temple?
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
Here’s a list of ALL the ideas we’ve put forth for the park. Some are conflicting ideas, so our discussion will point to the direction(s) we like more.

MAIN STREET
International theme
Outdoors areas + covered arcades & squares for climate control

“it’s a small world” in train station, using Shanghai Pirates ride tech
Mumbai Disneyland Railroad

CASTLE
Tangled theme
Daytime stage show (@mickeyfan5534)
Nighttime spectacular (sans fireworks)
Possibly taking site plan inspiration from Taj Mahal

HUB
Layout inspired by Taj Mahal site
OR
Oasis fusion of Island of Adventure with Shanghai’s Gardens of Imagination

Daytime parade – Magic Happens expansion by @mickeyfan5534

ADVENTURELAND
Fairly traditional approach, with sublands for India, Africa, & Latin America
OR
Original Lost World + S.E.A. concept with dinosaurs

Splash Mountain with Jungle Book theme (OR in Fantasyland as Winnie the Pooh)
Adventureland Theater – Bollywood show about Arjun
Lion King stage show
Fire Mountain coaster (Disneyland Brazil clone)

FANTASYLAND
Traditional Fantasyland with strong emphasis on gardens
OR
Create 2 lands, Fantasyland & Mythicland, to accommodate large attraction demand

Tangled E-ticket dark ride in the castle (Enchanted Tale ride system)
Fantasyland Theater – Show TBD (world mythology @Tux)
Alice in Wonderland indoor coaster
Frozen retheme of Seven Dwarfs Mine Train
Scary dark ride – Black Cauldron OR Sleeping Beauty OR Ichabod
Adventurous dark ride – Aladdin
Insane dark ride – 101 Dalmatians OR Sword in the Stone OR Dumbo
Wonder dark ride – Bambi omnimover OR Silly Symphonies OR Fantasia
Philharmagic 2.0 (randomized songs)
Princess meet & greet
Mrs. Potts teacup ride
Pegasus spinner (Dumbo-style)
Tangled tower flat ride
Alice’s Caucus Race caterpillar spinner
Carousel?
Winnie the Pooh playground
Winnie the Pooh river rapids ride
Fantasy River Cruise (if Mythicland is included)
Mr. Toad expansion with Test Track ride system

TOMORROWLAND
Utopian agri-futurist approach (EPCOT-style) like Gardens by the Bay
OR
Space Fantasy approach with more IPs
ALSO
Marvel’s Avengers either added to Tomorrowland or made as a separate land

Space Mountain with WALL*E theme (@ThatGuyFromFlorida)
WALL*E retheme of Astro Orbiter
Wreck-It Ralph retheme of Buzz Lightyear shooter ride
Avengers E-ticket
Tomorrowland Theater – Kaiju theater show

Haunted Mansion variant – Adventureland (Mexican theme) OR Tomorrowland

A ToonTown
 

spacemt354

Chili's
@DisneyManOne has an old concept on the Pooh attraction that might fit in here!
Since this season of SYWTBAI is all about reviving past projects, I thought it would be apropos for this project to revive a project near and dear to my heart: the very first project I ever posted on Visions Fantastic...
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A "Hunny" of an Adventure Comes to Disneyland!
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If you remember my last post here, you may remember me mentioning that Winnie the Pooh has found a new home in Disneyland's Fantasyland, after his current ride was replaced by The Rivers of Nature. Well, now the time has come to experience the magic for ourselves as we join in the whimsical fun of Winnie the Pooh's Most Grand Adventure.

Located just behind the rolling hills of Storybook Land, and taking up some of the real estate formerly held by the Fantasyland Theater, you'll find yourselves in the "enchanted neighborhood" of the 100 Acre Wood like never before. Hopping aboard a hot-air balloon, we take off for the magic, the music, and the memories of Winnie the Pooh's timeless adventures.

The attraction carries on the tradition of Fantasyland's five other classic dark rides by having its exterior be themed more to its home-country's setting, rather than the film itself (i;e Snow White's Bavarian castle, Peter Pan's clock-tower facade, etc.) In the case of Winnie the Pooh, the queue is an old English farmhouse. Stepping into the house, we first find ourselves in an old toolshed, looted with all sorts of odds and ends and bric-a-brac.
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Moving on from the shed, we move on to Christopher Robin's bedroom, decked out as it was in The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh's opening sequence.
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At the farthest end of Christopher Robin's bedroom is an large open book, large enough to step through. As in the film's opening sequence, our eyes are met with a large map of the 100 Acre Wood. An instrumental arrangement of the Sherman Brothers' inspired music plays on an endless loop.
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In the map's foreground is the ride's loading area. Riding along an aerial track, a la Peter Pan's Flight, are a series of hot-air balloons. These hot-air balloons seat four to five people within their baskets, and are decorated to look like different characters from the Winnie the Pooh stories (ex. half-red, half-yellow for Pooh, orange and black stripes for Tigger, half magenta and half light-pink for Piglet, etc.)

Once all are aboard their balloon, we pass through an arch in a nearby page of the book, and soon find ourselves face-to-face with an illustration of the sun shining happily over the trees of the wood. Suddenly, the balloon rises and sails over the trees, thus marking the transition from the pages of a book into the Hundred Acre Wood itself. Much like every other version of the ride, we are taken through the story of the 1968 Academy-Award winning featurette Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day. “A Rather Blustery Day” plays as an instrumental, as wind blows across the land (slightly shaking the balloons a bit).
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We first pass by Pooh as he flies his balloon over to the Hunny Tree in order to get a small smackarel, as he says, “I’ve got a rumbly in my tumbly. It must be time for something sweet!” Like in the Tokyo Disneyland version, the audio-animatronics used on this ride not only blink and move their mouths when they speak, but they’re also quite fuzzy, like real stuffed animals. As we move around the room, Pooh flies above our heads as we travel through the wood, and in the middle of the room is Owl’s house, where Owl sits outside in his rocking chair blabbering about his relatives. Across from Owl’s house, we find Rabbit’s garden, where Rabbit is clinging to his wheelbarrow for dear life. “Oh, why do these things always happen to me?” he groans. “Why oh why oh why?” Just then, Pooh flies through his garden, knocking some vegetables into a nearby wheelbarrow. “Thank you, Pooh!” the rabbit says. “Next time, I hope he blows right through my rutabaga patch.”

Nearby, we pass by Gopher's hole. He pops up and says “If I was you, I'd think about skedaddlin' out of here...” He heads back into his hole and finishes his sentence: “...'cause it's Winds-day!” As Gopher says “Winds-day”, a bunch of leaves pop up from his hole.. Meanwhile, over at Kanga and Roo’s house, Roo is hanging from a kite that Kanga is holding. “Hang on tightly, Roo!” Kanga yells. “Look, Mama, look! I’m a kite!” Roo replies. Nearby them is Piglet, sweeping up leaves in front of his house, Trespassers Will (named after his grandfather, Trespassers William). As he sweeps, the wind keeps bringing more leaves on, and occasionally blowing him a few inches away. “I don't mind the leaves that are leaving, it's the leaves that are coming”, Piglet says. As we leave the room, we pass by Eeyore standing nearby his house...which Pooh promptly knocks over. “If you ask me, he’ll never reach that tree”, the donkey sighs. But before we leave the room, we see one more sight – As we pass by a clump of branches across from Eeyore’s house, we see Tigger jump out and say, “Come on, everybody! Let’s all bounce together!”

As we pass by Tigger, the aerial track changes into a normal dark-ride track. Oh, I forgot to mention--the real technological breakthrough of this ride, is the fact that it combines three different types of track--aerial track, normal track, and water track. Anyways, the normal dark-ride track is necessary for the next scene. Here, we pass through a part of the Wood at nighttime, and taking advantage of Tigger's invitation, our balloon actually starts bouncing alongside Tigger.
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This segment should be very identical to the one seen in the current Magic Kingdom version. However, in order to achieve a proper bouncing effect, and not the faulty "bucking-bull" effect of the Magic Kingdom version, the balloon is equipped with a small Kuka-arm that allows it to "bounce" and "land" completely vertically.

After all the bouncing's done, we then pass by Pooh's house, under the name of Sanders. Outside of the house, Tigger has pounced on Pooh. He warns him "Watch out for Heffalumps and Woozles. They steal honey." "Steal honey?!" Pooh reacts, horrified at the thought.
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Then, our balloon starts to slow down in speed and we creep in through the front door of Pooh's house. Inside, we stop in front of Pooh, who has fallen asleep in the middle of his vigil. Suddenly, the house disappears into a starfield as the balloon standing nearby turns into the head of a Heffalump. Weirdest of all, Pooh begins to float through the starfield as we hear Tigger's ghostly voice intone "Heffalumps and Woozles...Heffalumps and Woozles steal honey...beware...beware!"
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We travel through the starfield and find ourselves inside Pooh's mysterious and wacky dream world haunted by Heffalumps and Woozles. Unlike other versions, the walls of this scene are not inky-black, but rather, they flash in different colors, a la the backgrounds during the "Heffalumps and Woozles" scene in the short.
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The eerie yet catchy refrain of the honey thieves' theme fill the air. Many effects and gags are scattered around the room. Heffalump-Bees and hot-air balloons with eyes on them fly above our heads. Woozle-headed jack-in-the-boxes pop right out of their boxes and laugh at us. We pass by a honey tree with three Heffalumps at the top of it. A hot-air balloon carries Pooh over to it, but a gust of air within the hole of the tree blows him away. A large transparent Heffalump is projected on a mirror as we pass by, sucking the honey out of our honey pot. We even pass by a Heffalump and Woozle band, using their bodies as their instruments. Soon, we escape the madness via a large tunnel made from a Heffalump's trunk. As we pass through it, the sounds of thunder are heard as lightning flashes along the tunnel walls and we see a projection of Pooh flying past on an umbrella. At the end of the tunnel, we head back into the 100 Acre Wood. However, we find that this isn't the 100 Acre Wood we began the ride in. It has now become victim to a flood-inducing rainfall.
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At this point, our vehicle now goes on a water flume track. We float along the waters of the flooded Wood as projected rain falls along the walls of the area. An instrumental version of "The Rain, Rain, Rain Came Down, Down, Down" plays. This is basically like the Blustery Day scene, but we’ll seem to be higher due to the flood. Once we enter the flooded wood, the first thing we see is Pooh, who is sitting on a tree branch that we go under. He sits with 10 honey pots as he says “Oh, no! I must rescue my supper!” Passing under Pooh, we set off to see how the other residents of the Wood are holding up. Seeing as how their residencies are unavailable at the time, this leads to an all-new immersive experience. The things the characters float on have an LPS system, so it truly feels like we're really floating along with them. First, we pass by Piglet, standing on a chair, bailing water with a saucepan. He floats right out of his house towards us. Next, we pass by Owl, sitting on a rocking chair, still talking about his relatives. Then, we pass by Eeyore, sitting on a doorframe. "First the wind, and now this..." he moans. The final group we float by are Tigger, Kanga, Roo and Rabbit, sailing along in a turned-over umbrella, which Tigger rows. Much like before, Roo isn't fazed. "Whee! This is fun!" he says. Rabbit, on the other hand, is far more anxious. "Goodness gracious!" he says. Then, things take a decidely darker tone. First, we pass by Pooh, stuck head-first in a spinning honey pot. Then, we pass by Tigger and Piglet, the former is trying to save the latter from a log. “We’ll save you, Piglet!” cries Tigger. “Oh, hurry, Tigger!” says Piglet. “It’s a very big waterfall!” And just as Tigger says "...Did you say..."waterfall"?", we plummet down one. The waterfall is about the same size as the first drop on Pirates of the Caribbean back in New Orleans Square, and it's guranteed that we'll get a little splashed when the drop ends.

A few inches away from the waterfall, we leave the water-track behind for one final stretch on the dark-ride track and come back to the land. The skies clear, the sun comes out, a triumphant instrumental of "Winnie the Pooh" starts to play, and a rainbow spreads overhead. We see that our Hundred Acre friends are throwing a party. “Hooray!” they all yell. “Hooray for Pooh, too!” pipes up Piglet. “Speaking of which, where is that silly ole bear?” asks Tigger. "Over here, everyone!" Pooh replies from inside the honey tree. "But you can start the party without me." And with that, he happily starts to enjoy his favorite treat.
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Passing through an arch made of forest foliage, we find ourselves once again within the pages of the book. We pass by a giant animated storybook page, featuring the characters waving goodbye and text reading, of course, "The End". After passing through the unloading area, we leave the book-world behind and head back into the real-world. Located in another old cabin, just nearby the farmhouse, we find ourselves in Pooh Corner, a shop--which the ride exits out into--selling all things Pooh. Much like the ride, the shop has also made the move from Critter Country, and--yes, Virginia--they still sell all sorts of baked goods, including the famous "Tigger Tails".
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And there we have it--what was once considered to be the worst of all iterations of the Pooh dark ride has since gone on to become one that can stand on its own merits. Heck, maybe this could compete with Tokyo's Pooh's Hunny Hunt for the title of best Pooh dark ride! It's another great addition to the legacy of Fantasyland's amazing dark rides.
 

DisneyManOne

Well-Known Member
It was a project back on the Visions Fantastic boards. I was able to save it for posterity. Here it is...

As guests proceed through the switchback queue, they enter into the main loading station just inside of the show building. Along the back wall of the queue, a beautiful painted mural is seen, depicting a scenic Neverland, complete with cascading waterfalls, an enchanting sky, the Jolly Roger floating in the lagoon below, and the Darling children flying high in the sky. The sides of the queue are dressed with fiberglass trees and rock formations, creating a sunken lagoon environment, that of which is superior to any queue in Fantasyland by far. The queue leads up to the loading station, where a Cast Member directs guests into an approaching pirate ship, sailing into the loading station smoothly. The vehicle, which is a boat on an underwater track, is reminiscent of a pirate galleon, complete with ornate gold decorations and wood carvings. Guests enter into the boat and sail off, past the mural and down the canal, into a misty cavern.

The ship winds through a spray of whimsical trees and plants, venturing deeper into the jungles of Neverland. The sound of a distant waterfall is heard amidst the dense setting. As guests reach a clearing in the forest, they pass by a lonesome, somewhat disheveled tree. The tree is surrounded by the Lost Boys, John, Michael and Wendy herself. The limited animatronic figures swing happily on the branches of Hangman’s Tree, a safe haven from the ongoing threats of Captain Hook. Guests hear the boys laughing happily as they play; an instrumental rendition of “Following the Leader” plays as the boat glides through the scene, which is actually is inspired from the "Following the Leader" instance in the film. At the base of the tree, guests will notice a hollowed out hole, a possible entrance into the hideout.

The boats proceed through another small section of enclosed jungle space, the river winding through the tall, whimsical trees that sprout about the room. Proceeding around the corner of one of the trees, guests spot Peter and Wendy near a section of parted trees. Peter slowly descends down from the sky via hidden hydraulic lift, cleverly camouflaged between the thick trees; Wendy remains planted solidly on the jungle ground, her wide eyes glowing happily as she watches Peter fly. In between the parted trees, across a vast lagoon in the distance, guests spot Captain Hook's pirate ship, the Jolly Roger. The commands of its captain are heard in the distance, followed by the sounds of cannon fire. From one of the cannons mounted on the ship, an orange light appears directly ahead of the boat. The boat continues down the river before taking a very slight dip down a waterfall encased in carefully-carved stone rocks; the sound of the cannon ball’s impact echoes from the jungle behind.

The boat floats into an enchanting mermaid lagoon, completely encased in exotic purple rock formations. On both sides of the boats, playful mermaids atop rocks in the water wave at guests flirtatiously. A mermaid under a cascading waterfall lets the “water” (translucent fibers) soak her from head to foot. Wendy watches curiously from behind a rock while Peter plays the panpipes while leaning upside against a rock covered with strands of brightly-colored flowers. Light green lily pads float above the water; thick vines and grasses grow on the rocks.
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As the boat continues through the scene, however, guests might notice a matte painting of a brilliant starry sky, the moon reflecting against the water. A silhouette of Captain Hook, Smee and Tigerlilly appears in front of the full moon, the crocodile’s tail poking out from out of the water. The boat passes under a waterfall, spraying guests slightly. After crossing under the waterfall, the foreboding skull rock looms over the boat, the hollowed out eyes of the stone skull peering down at the guests, glowing a dark blue.
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The ship enters through the mouth of the skull; a miniaturized model of the Jolly Roger is docked to the side of sharp rocks above the water. Guests find themselves in a dank cave setting, ominous sounds echoing through the rock walls; the roof of the cave is pitch-black. Dark green roots droop down from the nearby rocks; the water glows a dark blue, and several dimly-lit crevices in the rockwork make it appear as if there are deeper areas within Skull Rock. Before exiting the cave, guests hear the faint sounds of Captain Hook and Peter Pan engaging in a sword fight, their weapons clanking notably as Captain Hook grunts and taunts the boy in frustration. Finally, the boat exits the cave, turning right past a sharp rock and into a climactic battle between the Lost Boys and the pirates of Neverland.

The boat encircles Captain Hook's ship, which is scaled down enough so as not to assume too much space but large enough to portray the attraction’s climactic scene. On the mast of the ship, Captain Hook and Peter Pan are caught in the midst of a duel. Wendy, John, Michael and the Lost Boys are preoccupied by the surrounding pirates near the ship’s bow. Blasts of air shoot out of the cannons, seemingly towards guests themselves.
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As the curves around the ship, the boat comes into view of the crocodile atop a stone just off the rocky walls. The sound of a ticking clock is heard emanating from the crocodile, who is peering eagerly at Captain Hook; the crocodile’s tongue moves from left to right and its eyes blink hungrily.

The boat travels into open sea, bordered by a formation of sharp rocks, the black lights giving them a dreamlike feel. Captain Hook stands between the gaping jaws of the crocodile, who tauntingly opens and closes its jaws, waiting to devour the helpless captain. Hook grunts in terror as his cohort, Smee, is seen rowing away in a small row boat, his face emoting a great deal of guilt. Guests spot a small Tinkerbell figure, which is suspended on the ceiling, just above guests as their boat passes by. A twinkle is heard and a shimmer appears from her wand. The ship then ascends up a small ramp, from the earlier dip in the attraction. The ramp is surrounded by bright white clouds, creating an allusion of flight; the last and certainly most memorable effect in the attraction. At the top of the ramp, guests find figures of Peter, Wendy, John, Michael and Tinkerbell floating gracefully among the white clouds. In the distance, a matte painting of London stretches from one end of the room to the other; two stars twinkle and shine from the help of the blacklight. The boat proceeds into the unload station, where guests exit the sailing ship and enter back into the whimsical world of Fantasyland.
 

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