Rumors from abroad

[Dizknee_Phreek]

This is one of the more interesting statements made, I think. I completely understand your point, but I think this may be the crux of where Epcot has steered wrong (or society has steered wrong, not sure which yet). When Walt was designing attractions (using this as a reference, not a Long Live Walt statement), he explicitly said not to aim for children. The reason: you bore adults and the trip becomes a chore. However, the solution to that is not to make attractions that have something for the kids and something for the adults like using childrens' characters to promote and adult message. Instead, it takes developing an attraction, story, ride system, etc. that can be appreciated by everyone. Look at some of the most successful attractions: Pirates, Mansion, the original JII, etc. They have are one cohesive attraction (each). It's not like children ride Pirates because they see Pirates and adults ride it to get some concept of historical pillaging. Every person developed their own personal backstory and understanding from their experience. There is no explicit, blatant story or moral. There is no "this for the kids" and "this for the adults" dichotomy. It's a great attraction because it creates a sense of wonder and challenges the imagination of everyone. Although I have not ridden it myself, it sounds like Soarin' is this EXACT type of attraction (although it has a limitation from a safety perspective, I'm sure small children would enjoy it just as much). I guess if you create something that is "interesting" and "wonder-inspiring," the total package, everyone will enjoy it, regardless of age.

I appologize for getting so passionate about this. It just hits a big nerve with me! :wave:

Nah, don't apologize...I didn't feel attacked or anything
You have some very excellent points, and I agree with you completely. Reading back on my post, what I meant was not to "dumb it down" to a kid's level, but to make it where kids and adults could equally relate to it. ...More like what you said But I do feel that Disney has been doing less of that these days. To me, it seems, they tend to aim for age groups when making new attractions. Perhaps I'm completely wrong in saying that, but it seems like they're going "Ok, the young kids can do this, while the teens and young adults are doing this, and the older parents/grandparents can go over here and do this". I just feel like they're resorting to other companies' tactics of bringing in certain attractions (ie thrill attractions) to bring in certain age groups; and I know Walt was against that, and I'm against that as well.

 

[dizneeboy]

So, I was just thinking about the shape of the building. Wouldn't the back of it (with its angled roof and height) make a great scare floor? Add a couple of psuedo skylights (like the ones the CDA guys comes through at one point) and the large jumbotron like display on one end. Add a couple of illusions, where you pass an open door and it shows another room through it, and the overhead kinetic enery of the doors moving through on the rail...that would rock to see in person ; )

 

[SirGoofy]

So, I was just thinking about the shape of the building. Wouldn't the back of it (with its angled roof and height) make a great scare floor? Add a couple of psuedo skylights (like the ones the CDA guys comes through at one point) and the large jumbotron like display on one end. Add a couple of illusions, where you pass an open door and it shows another room through it, and the overhead kinetic enery of the doors moving through on the rail...that would rock to see in person ; )

There's only one problem: You can't just take off UoE's roof. It is covered with solar pannels that help to power the attraction.

 

[dizneeboy]

That's why i said psuedo skylights (as in they look like skylights, but they aren't).

 

[SirGoofy]

Whoops, sorry :lol:

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Gotta add another 2 cents here, because I can't believe what I am reading in regards to an overlay and not a complete redo. Problems I see with that:

1. WDI made it VERY clear it did not want to do anymore squeezing of attractions into existing buildings.

2. I would argue UoE's entrance design is one of its biggest problems since many people can't find the entrance and think it is closed (heard that several times.

3. Let's look at the Track Record of overlaying ride systems with movie tie-ins. The ONLY one that worked, IMHO, is Buzz, and even it is not that well done. Need I mention Stitch, Tiki Room UNM, etc. Even IMAG could be lumped in there to a certain extent. Also, that would solve none of the problems. Trust me: a 45 minute show will draw NO children regardless of who is hosting it. And, the time cannot be reduced that much because the load and unload has to be added to the show sequence. Therefore, a 30 minute show is the absolute minimum. I am all for longer attractions and miss the good 15 minute experiences. However, I am very doubtful that this will have the grandeur of a Pirates, WoM, Mansion, JII, etc. simply because their isn't space to do that with the current ride system.

This whole thing sounds like a huge disaster if it is an overlay in any way.

 

[stitchcastle]

Gotta add another 2 cents here, because I can't believe what I am reading in regards to an overlay and not a complete redo. Problems I see with that:

1. WDI made it VERY clear it did not want to do anymore squeezing of attractions into existing buildings.

2. I would argue UoE's entrance design is one of its biggest problems since many people can't find the entrance and think it is closed (heard that several times.

3. Let's look at the Track Record of overlaying ride systems with movie tie-ins. The ONLY one that worked, IMHO, is Buzz, and even it is not that well done. Need I mention Stitch, Tiki Room UNM, etc. Even IMAG could be lumped in there to a certain extent. Also, that would solve none of the problems. Trust me: a 45 minute show will draw NO children regardless of who is hosting it. And, the time cannot be reduced that much because the load and unload has to be added to the show sequence. Therefore, a 30 minute show is the absolute minimum. I am all for longer attractions and miss the good 15 minute experiences. However, I am very doubtful that this will have the grandeur of a Pirates, WoM, Mansion, JII, etc. simply because their isn't space to do that with the current ride system.

This whole thing sounds like a huge disaster if it is an overlay in any way.

You make it sound like everything with an overlay is horrible. Try having faith for once why don't you...

 

[LoisMustDie]

You make it sound like everything with an overlay is horrible. Try having faith for once why don't you...

For one who has so much faith: how do you propose they make this MI attraction, using the same UOE vehicles, and keep it exciting for 45 minutes, not to mention keeping it unique for more than a decade?

 

[stitchcastle]

For one who has so much faith: how do you propose they make this MI attraction, using the same UOE vehicles, and keep it exciting for 45 minutes, not to mention keeping it unique for more than a decade?

I already gave my suggestions and i'm not really in the mood to repeat them.

i Like you by the way LMD

 

[Dizknee_Phreek]

Gotta add another 2 cents here, because I can't believe what I am reading in regards to an overlay and not a complete redo. Problems I see with that:

1. WDI made it VERY clear it did not want to do anymore squeezing of attractions into existing buildings.

2. I would argue UoE's entrance design is one of its biggest problems since many people can't find the entrance and think it is closed (heard that several times.

3. Let's look at the Track Record of overlaying ride systems with movie tie-ins. The ONLY one that worked, IMHO, is Buzz, and even it is not that well done. Need I mention Stitch, Tiki Room UNM, etc. Even IMAG could be lumped in there to a certain extent. Also, that would solve none of the problems. Trust me: a 45 minute show will draw NO children regardless of who is hosting it. And, the time cannot be reduced that much because the load and unload has to be added to the show sequence. Therefore, a 30 minute show is the absolute minimum. I am all for longer attractions and miss the good 15 minute experiences. However, I am very doubtful that this will have the grandeur of a Pirates, WoM, Mansion, JII, etc. simply because their isn't space to do that with the current ride system.

This whole thing sounds like a huge disaster if it is an overlay in any way.

And again, more excellent points!

 

[josh_e_washie]

wait....is monsters inc. even disney anymore? i know that pixar and disney are having that falling out thing.....

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

3. Let's look at the Track Record of overlaying ride systems with movie tie-ins. The ONLY one that worked, IMHO, is Buzz, and even it is not that well done. Need I mention Stitch, Tiki Room UNM, etc. Even IMAG could be lumped in there to a certain extent. Also, that would solve none of the problems.

I agree Buzz to me represents the worst of Disney, good idea poorly executed a bit like JIYI Mk97. However Ilike the new Tiki room. nothing wong with a bit of anarchy.I didnt like Alien encounter so chances are I wont like Stitch, but Ill find that out in a few weeks. Also complete change while maintaing an existing building is IMHO an even worse prospect, limiting creativity from the start.

I know this isjust a rumour so perhaps we should all keep our powder dry til if and when something is announced. An overlay could work providing it is meticulously planned and executed, and in reality are we not just talking about the film sequences anyway. Though I suppose you could use characters with computeractivated voice sections a bit like Sweetums in Muppet Vision.

The attractions message is a little out dated anyway given the changing attitudes and our increasing reliance on fuel.

 

[AEfx]

Since this thread keeps coming back...

Is it "Rumors from abroad" or "Rumors from a broad"? I can't figure it out from reaing the original post, LOL.

AEfx

 

[Grim Grinner]

It was one of those rare occassions when rumors found their way to me up here in the Midwest. Abroad, meaning far from Disney in this case.

 

[HotPinkMidNite]

I honestly think that UoE should be left as it is. I think its an enjoyable ride that could use a few very minor changes in some areas. But I don't think it should be replaced, especially by a ride with any kind of movie tie in.

I've noticed that some people take issue with the fact that there are so few family rides at Epcot, but for me, thats kinda part of the appeal. Epcot strikes me as a part of Disney that you can grow to appreciate. I remember not liking Epcot as much the very 1st time I went (when I was about 5) and now, as an older teenager, it has become one of my favorite parts of Disney. I don't think you could familyfriendlyize (yes I'm aware thats not a real word ) Epcot too much, cuz that would lose some adult appeal, and I think there is still a greater ratio of kid/family rides in comparison to rides that would appeal to the older set. And we've already seen a good example of familyfriendlyizing and movie tie-in gone wrong when they turned Alien Encounter (which even I was afraid to ride) into Stitch (I can't judge for myself but I'm sure you're all aware of the general opinion expressed by the majority of the board.)

I think a Monster's Inc ride is an ok idea (though to be honest, I'd rather see an Incredibles ride 1st :lookaroun. ) I definitely don't think that it belongs in Epcot. I really don't think any movie tie-in ride does with the exception of Nemo, which does fit with the Living Seas, but they should leave it at that. I wouldn't put it in the Magic Kingdom, becaus that territory should belong only to "classic" Disney characters (ie. traditionally animated ones) The best place for it would have to be the Studios.

I could see how, as previously mentioned, it could replace Sounds Dangerous in MGM (which deserves to go more than anything else in all of Disneyworld) and do something with movies. It could even go as far as having Sulley and Mike host some kind of "behind the scenes" show on Monsters Inc as if it were made like a real movie (I was watching the Monsters Inc. bloopers and that made me think of this). It could be a humorous look at the moviemaking process (writing, casting, filming etc.) and be educational about filmmaking at the same time, since MGM doesn't really have a ride like that. It could be set up similar to UoE and maybe even feature an AA scene of a movie set where they shoot part of the movie. Just a thought.:animwink:

And also, since I'm still kinda new to the boards, I would appreciate it if someone explained what IMHO means/stands for. I'v seen it several times in this post and I have no clue :lookaroun :veryconfu

 

[ead79]

3. Let's look at the Track Record of overlaying ride systems with movie tie-ins. The ONLY one that worked, IMHO, is Buzz, and even it is not that well done. Need I mention Stitch, Tiki Room UNM, etc. Even IMAG could be lumped in there to a certain extent. Also, that would solve none of the problems. Trust me: a 45 minute show will draw NO children regardless of who is hosting it. And, the time cannot be reduced that much because the load and unload has to be added to the show sequence. Therefore, a 30 minute show is the absolute minimum. I am all for longer attractions and miss the good 15 minute experiences. However, I am very doubtful that this will have the grandeur of a Pirates, WoM, Mansion, JII, etc. simply because their isn't space to do that with the current ride system.

This whole thing sounds like a huge disaster if it is an overlay in any way.

I apologize in advance for a minor thread derailment, but I’m curious as to how Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin is a flop. Everyone I see at WDW loves that attraction and often rides it again immediately after getting off the ride. I think it’s a great attraction with universal appeal to both kids and adults. Can someone explain the other point of view?

 

[peter11435]

I apologize in advance for a minor thread derailment, but I’m curious as to how Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin is a flop. Everyone I see at WDW loves that attraction and often rides it again immediately after getting off the ride. I think it’s a great attraction with universal appeal to both kids and adults. Can someone explain the other point of view?

He did not say Buzz was a flop. In fact he said it was the only one that actually worked. What he said was the ride was not very well done. And while Buzz is very popular the ride is not very well done. There is no story, no memorable music not even from the films, although the two it has are great there are only two AA, and the entire thing is mostly painted flats with exposed unthemed ceilings and clearly visible structural elements. That being said I enjoy Buzz however I see how the ride is not well done especially when compared to attractions such as Splash Mountain and Pirates. Yet it is also important to remember that not every attraction can be an E-Ticket.

 

[ead79]

I see, thanks. I misunderstood a bit. I am always interested in trying to score more points than my husband while riding, so I guess I haven’t noticed the exposed ceilings and beams, but now then you mention it I seem to remember. I think you hit the nail on the head though that not everything can be an E-ticket and have E-ticket theming. Overall I think it’s a very enjoyable attraction.

 

[marni1971]

Personally, we found Buzz cheap. Remembering Dreamflight so well (and to a lesser extent If You Had Wings) it was so clear that cheap flats had just been put in place of the previous incantations set pieces (and though it works well in moderation; ie Fantasyland, UV lighting all over the place just looks so cheap - as in 'we couldn`t afford real sets'. Even proper 3 dimensional sets painted in UV would be preferable. As was said above the show building itself is not that big, the constraints are plain to see. And since we had ridden MIB:AA the day before it was almost an embarrassment to Disney. More so with Timekeeper next door and AE opposite (examples of how well a makeover can work)

But I know I`m in the minority here

 

[Pongo]

And since we had ridden MIB:AA the day before it was almost an embarrassment to Disney.

I think that Men in Black is not as good as Buzz Lightyear. I don't know why. I went on Buzz first and MIB just seems to lack the immersion that Buzz offered. Even if that immersion consists of flats and glow-in-the-dark paint.