Rumor- WDW to get new monorail trains in near future

[ford91exploder]

I agree. While the system is not in prime condition after 26 years, the trains are not in as bad condition as some would believe. Do they break down? Yes. Do they get repaired? In most cases yes, with the occasional issue that keeps reoccurring. When dealing with parts that are no longer off the shelf and must be refurbished, problems like that will occur. I wish they were spending money on either new trains, or at least gutting and completely updating the internals, but I don't have the power to make such a decision. There are projects going on now to make the trains better ex. new carpeting, and that alone will make a huge difference.

Just LOOK at the trains, even 5 years ago you did not see damaged fibreglas, or trails of lubricant on the body not only is the train NOT being washed regularly but that trail of lubricant is a telltale of at least one failed seal which needs replacement.

You can always make your numbers look better by not performing routine maintenance until you get major failures but then it will be expensive or in some cases impossible to repair the equipment.

Going back 10 years you almost never heard of trains being disabled on the beam, It happened of course but not with the distressing frequency it happens with now.

Personally I'd prefer to see the monorails close or operate at a reduced frequency so they can get the total overhaul which is required as trains are like aircraft in that they are pretty much immortal with proper maintenance and upgrades unless the frame cracks.

 

[monothingie]

Just LOOK at the trains, even 5 years ago you did not see damaged fibreglas, or trails of lubricant on the body not only is the train NOT being washed regularly but that trail of lubricant is a telltale of at least one failed seal which needs replacement.

You can always make your numbers look better by not performing routine maintenance until you get major failures but then it will be expensive or in some cases impossible to repair the equipment.

Going back 10 years you almost never heard of trains being disabled on the beam, It happened of course but not with the distressing frequency it happens with now.

Personally I'd prefer to see the monorails close or operate at a reduced frequency so they can get the total overhaul which is required as trains are like aircraft in that they are pretty much immortal with proper maintenance and upgrades unless the frame cracks.

You've never heard about it because of the tremendous development of social media. Everything is tweeted and shared.

Most of these instances also seem like they've been caused by external factors, such as weather or power issues, not so much as train break downs.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Two other folks beat you to the punch on that joke. Are you all married to theme parks?

Usually takes three times for some to understand a concept.

 

[ford91exploder]

You've never heard about it because of the tremendous development of social media. Everything is tweeted and shared.

Most of these instances also seem like they've been caused by external factors, such as weather or power issues, not so much as train break downs.

At least for me 10 years ago I had CM friends so I did not need social media, Some of my college pals wound up in WDI now they have real jobs which pay more as b/c they saw the writing on the wall as the Eisner era was ending.

Now they do boring but lucrative work for places like Fluor and Bechtel.

 

[jakeman]

Disney World is a unique product. I think it's more like a sports team than a pizza place.

]It's not a unique product. There is a similar product 20 minutes away and one on the opposite coast. There are several people on this very board who seem to only post to remind folks of that.

Speaking only for myself, I love Disney World. I spend a lot of money going there. When I'm there, I don't think about all the things that could be better. I just enjoy my time with my family. But I do see all the ways in which it could be better. As a fan, I spend a lot of time thinking about Disney World and how it has changed over the years. Often times, not for the better. So while I continue to go, I am critical.

So you are happy with the product at the time of consumption, but later regret that consumption because it used to be superior? How do you justify spending more money on a product with a declining value in your opinion?

Hopefully that is permitted in a discussion forum. I find the "everything is magical" conversation gets old quick no matter how much I enjoy Disney World. I find it as tedious as you likely find "incessant complaining."

I can't wait to see how you will attempt to reframe my argument next!

I do enjoy your rather persistent accusation of censorship. I think I've gone out of my way to specifically address that concern, but it's an interesting deflection tactic.

 

[lebeau]

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It's not a unique product. There is a similar product 20 minutes away and one on the opposite coast. There are several people on this very board who seem to only post to remind folks of that.

Minor point. Do you really want to quibble? I wasn't aware that either Universal or Disneyland had grown to the same size as WDW.

Nice deflection tactic.

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So you are happy with the product at the time of consumption, but later regret that consumption because it used to be superior? How do you justify spending more money on a product with a declining value in your opinion?

You have completely reinterpreted my meaning. What I described was not buyer's remorse. Is this concept really foreign to you? Other people get it. Why don't you?

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I do enjoy your rather persistent accusation of censorship. I think I've gone out of my way to specifically address that concern, but it's an interesting deflection tactic.

Well, if you're going to keep telling people what points are allowed to be made here and how often, then yes, I am going to continue to call that a form of censorship. Maybe it would be more productive to discus the points people make. Or even just ignore the posts that annoy you instead of telling posters how critical they are allowed to be.

Just because you keep saying "I'm not censoring" doesn't mean you're not censoring. Methinks the jakeman doth protest too much.

 

[wdwgreek]

I'd love to see new monorail trains, god knows our needs some TLC

 

[jakeman]

Minor point. Do you really want to quibble? I wasn't aware that either Universal or Disneyland had grown to the same size as WDW.

Nice deflection tactic.

How is that a minor point? Is it only the square mileage that makes WDW unique? Both Universal and Disneyland are resort destinations anchored by multiple theme parks. How is it more similar to a sports team than Universal?

You have completely reinterpreted my meaning. What I described was not buyer's remorse. Is this concept really foreign to you? Other people get it. Why don't you?

Then what are you describing? Because from where I sit, you purchase a product. Enjoy the product. Then lament on how the product used to be better.

It's a foreign concept to me because it's the complete anathema to how a consumer should act when they are not pleased with a product.

Well, if you're going to keep telling people what points are allowed to be made here and how often, then yes, I am going to continue to call that a form of censorship. Maybe it would be more productive to discus the points people make. Or even just ignore the posts that annoy you instead of telling posters how critical they are allowed to be.

Just because you keep saying "I'm not censoring" doesn't mean you're not censoring. Methinks the jakeman doth protest too much.

I'm extremely interested in you directing me to my post where I have stated what can and cannot be posted.

Going back 10 years you almost never heard of trains being disabled on the beam, It happened of course but not with the distressing frequency it happens with now.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/monorail-crash.66013/ (not the fatal crash as that would be in poor taste)

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/monorail-down-today.36228/

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/double-monorail-break-down.63279/

 

[lebeau]

How is that a minor point? Is it only the square mileage that makes WDW unique? Both Universal and Disneyland are resort destinations anchored by multiple theme parks. How is it more similar to a sports team than Universal?

Then what are you describing? Because from where I sit, you purchase a product. Enjoy the product. Then lament on how the product used to be better.

It's a foreign concept to me because it's the complete anathema to how a consumer should act when they are not pleased with a product.

I'm extremely interested in you directing me to my post where I have stated what can and cannot be posted.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/monorail-crash.66013/ (not the fatal crash as that would be in poor taste)

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/monorail-down-today.36228/

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/double-monorail-break-down.63279/

This is pointless. PM me if you want to continue going round in circles. I won't subject everyone else to this.

 

[jakeman]

This is pointless. PM me if you want to continue going round in circles. I won't subject everyone else to this.

So you won't be pointing out where I censored people?

 

[Figment2005]

Absolutely AGREE with all your points, That being said it seems recently that anything which is expensive to operate at WDW is a target for the cost cutters because of the relentless pressure on TWDC to increase margins and since P&R is not doing much relative to increasing revenue - it must be accompished by cuts.

Yes, but also being target and having the trigger pulled are completely different. I hope that more level heads prevail regarding the system, and the money being put into it (instead of being taken away) should point to that being the case.

 

[ford91exploder]

Yes, but also being target and having the trigger pulled are completely different. I hope that more level heads prevail regarding the system, and the money being put into it (instead of being taken away) should point to that being the case.

Very true - We will see what happens going forward, I've always been a plan for the worst hope for the best kind of guy.

 

[Figment2005]

Very true - We will see what happens going forward, I've always been a plan for the worst hope for the best kind of guy.

Just curious, but have you seen the new carpets in person? It really makes the cabins feel fresh again and also removes that ungodly odor.

 

[jakeman]

Yes, but also being target and having the trigger pulled are completely different. I hope that more level heads prevail regarding the system, and the money being put into it (instead of being taken away) should point to that being the case.

I don't think we need level heads to prevail since the only unlevel head hypothesizing the "rot" of the monorail as a corporate strategy is just one poster in this thread.

We basically just need business as usual and everything will be fine.

With that said, I agree with the general sentiment that a great deal of TLC or outright replacement is due for the monorail system.

 

[DVC91]

Be interesting if they could/would take this opportunity to do a slight redesign of the monorails to make them appear a bit more futuristic. Something cosmetic, nothing major, but give it an "evolved" look, like the way a car will change over time to reflect current technology and style. Perhaps even add interactive elements via wi-fi or something. Just thinking about some possibilities here.

Like sleek shiny all black trains with LEDs around the windows and such to look like something out of... Oh idk.... TRON??

 

[ItlngrlBella]

Just curious, but have you seen the new carpets in person? It really makes the cabins feel fresh again and also removes that ungodly odor.

Question... Why carpets? It's Florida. Hot, musty, steamy, moist and humid Florida. Any type of carpet holds moisture, and that moisture sits and makes an unpleasant odor. I'm wondering why they don't put in some other flooring that is easier to clean, disinfect and maintain. (Not complaining... Just questioning).

 

[monothingie]

Question... Why carpets? It's Florida. Hot, musty, steamy, moist and humid Florida. Any type of carpet holds moisture, and that moisture sits and makes an unpleasant odor. I'm wondering why they don't put in some other flooring that is easier to clean, disinfect and maintain. (Not complaining... Just questioning).

I don't think they are floor carpets, but the ones surrounding the doors and walls.

 

[ItlngrlBella]

I don't think they are floor carpets, but the ones surrounding the doors and walls.

It must be to buffer sound - even still, moisture just hangs in the air, and gets soaked up by that material. Bleeeech.

 

[monothingie]

It must be to buffer sound - even still, moisture just hangs in the air, and gets soaked up by that material. Bleeeech.

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me, but considering they are close to 25 years old, they've held up relatively well, all things considering. (unless they were updated 10 years ago when the cabs were redone with vinyl floor. Either way it is a pretty good lifespan.

 

[Figment2005]

Question... Why carpets? It's Florida. Hot, musty, steamy, moist and humid Florida. Any type of carpet holds moisture, and that moisture sits and makes an unpleasant odor. I'm wondering why they don't put in some other flooring that is easier to clean, disinfect and maintain. (Not complaining... Just questioning).

If that s were the only reason for the smell, Florida humidity, then why aren't all cars in Florida filled with stank? It has much more to do with the way that the guests treat the carpet, like spilling beverages and food, and sadly bodily fluids.