Isn't this the same reasoning which facilitates abusive relationships?
Not saying everyone needs to be a pixie duster, but once the pile on group think mentality piles on, it changes from being a constructive critical to a smack down grudge match.
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Isn't this the same reasoning which facilitates abusive relationships?
Not saying everyone needs to be a pixie duster, but once the pile on group think mentality piles on, it changes from being a constructive critical to a smack down grudge match.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
Yeah, when I first met my wife, there were a lot of things I didn't even notice. Now that we've been married for 10+ years though, man, let me tell you the list of things I hate about her.
Figment2005
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The monorail's literally bring people to the property. I see people everyday that come to the station simply to take a ride. If they were to get rid of them as you are predicting then the backlash would be immense. This assumption being made because of the backlash we receive when guests have to take the ferry or bus during a normal scheduled downtime, be it for train switches or a lockout of a section of beam for the adjusted use right now. I would put those monorails just below Cinderella Castle in how recognizable they are.
GhostHost1000
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mororails are cool - people like them - but they are in bad shape and in some cases disgusting inside
they need a facelift, a redesign, a refurb, and/or new trains
they need a facelift, a redesign, a refurb, and/or new trains
jakeman
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If there's one thing I learned from this forum, it's that if you want something to get better you insult it mercilessly.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
It's why I devote nearly all of my time on social media (when I'm not frequenting this fine establishment) pointing out all of her flaws to my social network. Just yesterday I was tweeting how she used to do this thing that I liked, but she stopped doing it a few years ago, and it really annoys me that I have to spend sometimes 4-5 hours a day talking about how much I hate that she doesn't do it anymore.If there's one thing I learned from this forum, it's that if you want something to get better you insult it mercilessly.
Oh, it's tell me how handsome I am, get your mind out of the gutter!
jakeman
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I do the same, except I also continuously postulate that the relationship is never going to get better and going to keep getting magnitudes worse. To the point where I predict outrageous outcomes like she is plotting to kill me.
You should really talk to your wife about all this.
lebeau
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I was giving you back the same treatment you gave me. But your response to my response is fascinating as well. Actually, it's not.
Do you seriously not get it? Do you really require an explanation? It's like a sports fan who complains about their home team season after season.
I hope you forgot your winky emoticom. Because that's a ridiculous comparison. Complaining about a theme park = beating your spouse?
See previous response. Personally I see a big difference between a vacation destination and a marriage. But maybe that's just me. Good luck with that though.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
Oh, she reads all of my ranting. One Tumblr in particular, I know she reads. Sometimes some of the things I suggest there are fixed, so I can only come to one assumption, that all of my ranting provides positive results.I do the same, except I also continuously postulate that the relationship is never going to get better and going to keep getting magnitudes worse. To the point where I predict outrageous outcomes like she is plotting to kill me.
You should really talk to your wife about all this.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
This is exactly what I was talking about. Thank you for proving my point. I in no way advocated censorship, yet you automatically assumed that's what my intent was.
Disney isn't a sports team. It's a product. Do you continuously order pizza from the same place keeps screwing up your order?
That was not the point of my analogy. Quite frankly that is rather short-sited reasoning on your part. Just take a look at the D+G crowd on these boards, there is no reasoning, no compromise with them. The base argument is that everything is awful and nothing will ever get better, therefore I must bash and degrade everything that is being done without considering all the circumstances. That is not being constructively critical, that is just incessant complaining.
lebeau
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Disney World is a unique product. I think it's more like a sports team than a pizza place.
Speaking only for myself, I love Disney World. I spend a lot of money going there. When I'm there, I don't think about all the things that could be better. I just enjoy my time with my family. But I do see all the ways in which it could be better. As a fan, I spend a lot of time thinking about Disney World and how it has changed over the years. Often times, not for the better. So while I continue to go, I am critical.
Hopefully that is permitted in a discussion forum. I find the "everything is magical" conversation gets old quick no matter how much I enjoy Disney World. I find it as tedious as you likely find "incessant complaining."
I can't wait to see how you will attempt to reframe my argument next!
lebeau
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I can't think of any posters that I would put in that category.
I doubt there's anyone here that posts on a regular basis that doesn't love Disney and Disney World. Otherwise, why bother to come here. The act of participating in the conversation suggests that there are things that the poster likes. I don't think posters should be required to restate that every time they are critical of Disney.
But please, tell me about my "short-sited reasoning" some more.
So you believe that there is no such thing as a D+Ger? The N+R thread would be a LOT lighter then...
I truly love my wife but I will not be implementing this philosophy with her.
lebeau
Well-Known Member
I have yet to meet a D+Ger. (I'm assuming that stands for Doom and Gloomer.) Not saying they aren't out there. Just saying I haven't met one here.
What's an N+R thread?
Two other folks beat you to the punch on that joke. Are you all married to theme parks?
ford91exploder
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sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
Indeed she does. Indeed she does...I'm pretty sure SHE has a list of your failings as well
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Absolutely AGREE with all your points, That being said it seems recently that anything which is expensive to operate at WDW is a target for the cost cutters because of the relentless pressure on TWDC to increase margins and since P&R is not doing much relative to increasing revenue - it must be accompished by cuts.
thehowiet
Wilson King of Prussia
It appears that some are incessantly complaining about the so called incessant complaining...Interesting, and not very constructive
Since the sports team analogy didn't go over too well, perhaps this will work....
I'm a huge fan of a certain band. I've seen them over 50 times since 1997 and still continue to see them to this day whenever I can. Anyway, I still really enjoy listening to their music and going to their concerts, but IMO the experience is nowhere near the same as it once was when I first started seeing them, and it costs more than double now taboot (sound familiar?). Is it still fun? Absolutely! Again, when I go to see them live I still really have a lot of fun and really enjoy it, but that doesn't mean I'm not critical of what I see as the shortcomings of the overall experience. I even go online and talk about with other fans.
This is very similar to WDW for me. I still have fun when I go, although I find that the experience isn't what it once was. Again, is it still fun? Absolutely! I don't think everything is so cut and dry so I find the "then why do you still go?" question to be a little too black and white. We don't live in a black and white world, as much as we wish that we did (it would definitely be easier, that's for sure!).
Side note, to those using the significant other analogy...I have to assume that your love for that person is much different/stronger than it is for a company/theme park, or at least I hope it is. Just my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.
Since the sports team analogy didn't go over too well, perhaps this will work....
I'm a huge fan of a certain band. I've seen them over 50 times since 1997 and still continue to see them to this day whenever I can. Anyway, I still really enjoy listening to their music and going to their concerts, but IMO the experience is nowhere near the same as it once was when I first started seeing them, and it costs more than double now taboot (sound familiar?). Is it still fun? Absolutely! Again, when I go to see them live I still really have a lot of fun and really enjoy it, but that doesn't mean I'm not critical of what I see as the shortcomings of the overall experience. I even go online and talk about with other fans.
This is very similar to WDW for me. I still have fun when I go, although I find that the experience isn't what it once was. Again, is it still fun? Absolutely! I don't think everything is so cut and dry so I find the "then why do you still go?" question to be a little too black and white. We don't live in a black and white world, as much as we wish that we did (it would definitely be easier, that's for sure!).
Side note, to those using the significant other analogy...I have to assume that your love for that person is much different/stronger than it is for a company/theme park, or at least I hope it is. Just my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.
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