RUMOR: Lin Manuel Miranda and Weird Al to Redo Hall of Presidents

TrainChasers

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That actually makes it worse - it panders in the worst way as it plays on the ignorance of the audience about his actual heritage. Not sure how a white British citizen moving to another British colony legally and working his way up in the system solely due to his effort and abilities is an "allegory" of anything in current events. In fact, it is most likely the exact opposite of the reason the audience cheers if they thought about it for a second instead of reacting like seals clapping being triggered by the word "immigrant".

Eh... he was an immigrant though by definition. The very first line says he was the son of a Scotsman so it’s not like they aren’t mentioning that.
 

RobWDW1971

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Eh... he was an immigrant though by definition. The very first line says he was the son of a Scotsman so it’s not like they aren’t mentioning that.

If you think the average person walks out of that show thinking he was a white British citizen who legally moved from one British colony to another British colony, I have some mid-orchestra seats for tomorrow night's show to sell ya. And again, this is from someone who loves the show and has seen it multiple times. But that line is straight up pandering for the reaction.
 
If you think the average person walks out of that show thinking he was a white British citizen who legally moved from one British colony to another British colony, I have some mid-orchestra seats for tomorrow night's show to sell ya. And again, this is from someone who loves the show and has seen it multiple times. But that line is straight up pandering for the reaction.

I'm not claiming you don't like the show! Just saying it's a heavy-handed metaphor. Lin's family is from Puerto Rico (an American colony, moving to America) so it's similar. You're right though, by definition Hamilton was not an immigrant. But it's not trying to be a direct parallel. It's a metaphor. Yes Hamilton and the Mirandas moved intra-nationally but is that really that different from immigration? AND Hamilton is talking to Lafayette, who was an immigrant. So consider it a moment of solidarity from two people who traveled to continental America, as a shout-out to modern day travelers.

You're right, it's a crowd-pleasing line. It bends the strict meaning of words a bit to achieve its goal. Artistic license.

I didn't want anybody to change HOP anyways.
 

_caleb

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Uh, what? I assume you have never seen the show. They are out of time - both commenting about each other's eras and acknowledging they are currently in the 20th Century.


Ben Franklin:
Perhaps you recognize those inspiring words from one of America's great writers.

Mark Twain:
No, Dr. Franklin, I don't recall writing anything like that.

Ben Franklin:
Oh my, of course not.
They're from the pen of John Steinbeck here in the 20th century.
Why it seems he has nearly the same spirit as the founding fathers themselves.

Mark Twain:
Well, listen to the proud elder statesman.

Ben Franklin:
Mr. Twain, pride is one of our national passions.
Even those who overcome it, are proud of their humility.

Mark Twain:
Easy now, I was born modest.
Fortunately, it wore off.

Ben Franklin:
Hoho.

Mark Twain:
Dr. Franklin, as our genuine American antique, I suppose our story begins with you.
Of course I’ve seen the show! I really like it!

Having Franklin and Twain on stage together is a cool way to begin the story in an interesting—if less than historically accurate—way. My point was that these things do not make an historical drama “revisionist.” If the American Adventure isn’t (and I think most here would agree that it’s not), than neither is Hamilton for its dramatic license.
 

_caleb

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When a president is addressing the audience, the other presidents in the background should be hitting a beach ball around.
Disney does have a history of using beach balls to liven up boring attractions!
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SoFloMagic

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If you think the average person walks out of that show thinking he was a white British citizen who legally moved from one British colony to another British colony, I have some mid-orchestra seats for tomorrow night's show to sell ya. And again, this is from someone who loves the show and has seen it multiple times. But that line is straight up pandering for the reaction.
Do you think people know that the cats in cats aren't cats? Straight up pandering to cat lovers.
 

BromBones

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I haven’t seen it but I‘m now inclined to believe Hamilton is the most historically accurate work ever produced.

What about "the source" sporto?

You have something to say and you want to personally attack me....have the guts to do it direct to me.
 

thomas998

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I dunno. Is it really different from someone coming from Puerto Rico to one of the 50 states today for job opportunities? Yes, not a true "immigrant" but certainly involving some of the same challenges.
What challenges are the same? If you are from Puerto Rico you have full access to enter and live in the US, no Visa or anything else required, so what is similar to other actual immigrants?
 

SoFloMagic

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The musical is rife with historical inaccuracies. Do you want a list?
I don't know what you want from a drama. It's a piece of art that speaks broadly to hard work, patriotism (true patriotism, not flag-waving) , and love and loss while telling a story based on an imperfect man and the founding of our country. Its a story about a time of intense racism and slavery told by a diverse cast, which is pretty powerful.

Everyone gets to have their own opinion, and you're allowed to not like it, but I hope you watch it again with an open mind and give it a fair chance.
 

BromBones

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Most of your comments seem to be misinformed which makes me believe that Hamilton is not inaccurate in the ways you believe.

"I don't agree with most of your comments so I would rather dismiss them then actually considering a contrary opinion."

There I fixed it for you.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Hall of Presidents isn't supposed to be a Broadway show. It's supposed to be an historical lesson.
We don't need more revisionist history from a person with a clear political bias and proclivity.
In the words of Charles Emerson Winchester, "sir, I am so conservative that I make you look like a New Dealer," yet I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when you claim that there's political bias in Hamilton. No, it's not historically precise, but the inaccuracies are for dramatic purposes, not political ones.
 
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