Rumor from a Monorail worker.

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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PeterAlt said:
I TOLD EVERYONE SO!!!!!

Just keep an eye on the satellite imagery as they get updated, try to predict the likely route as I have, and you can see something is being worked on throughout the path I've determined to be the route. It's not construction, but pre-construction or something to do with planning or logistics.

Don't believe me? Look at the cleared land near AKL. What do you see scattered about the site lying down? Monorail pylons!

$2 billion is much more than my estimate. The project must be including much more than new track. It sounds like a complete remake of the system. Maybe retail or small entertainment centers or new hotels at new stations as part of the project?

I wonder how long it will be until there's an official announcement?
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Can you post of picture of where you see monorail pylons?
 
PeterAlt

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Figment1986 said:
IF the resort was going to expand the monorail system, they would need to order new trains to go with it... those 12 trains cannot support a bigger system with their current set up... However it would be pretty expensive to but so few new monorails too...

P.S. With all this salt being thrown around my french fries now need ketchup.
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He did say $2 billion. To put things in perspective, the new Anaheim monorail through the DLR area is costing between $200 million and $300 million for a 2 mile section of elevated track.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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PeterAlt said:
Okay, I made it my profile picture.
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Those are storage trailers.

AKLodgeArea1.jpg
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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PeterAlt said:
How are things, Mickey?
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I am amused by this thread! Would rather see big projects that involve new rides and fixing broken ones than an expansion of the monorail... I doesn't really see the point of expanding it when buses are cheaper and much more cost effective. I would only want to see this if and only of the problems that DAK, DHS, and Future World have are addressed. The monorail isn't that big of a deal compared the other things that need work in the world. Minnie, Goofy, Donald, Daisy and Pluto are all in agreement on this...we just had out monthly meeting in Cinderella's Castle (Don't tell anyone but we brought some Butterbeer over from the Three Broomsticks because we needed some good stuff to drink while discussing the parks. Don't worry though. We finished with some Dole Whips) ;)
 
PeterAlt

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bubbles1812 said:
I am amused by this thread! Would rather see big projects that involve new rides and fixing broken ones than an expansion of the monorail... I doesn't really see the point of expanding it when buses are cheaper and much more cost effective. I would only want to see this if and only of the problems that DAK, DHS, and Future World have are addressed. The monorail isn't that big of a deal compared the other things that need work in the world. Minnie, Goofy, Donald, Daisy and Pluto are all in agreement on this...we just had out monthly meeting in Cinderella's Castle (Don't tell anyone but we brought some Butterbeer over from the Three Broomsticks because we needed some good stuff to drink while discussing the parks. Don't worry though. We finished with some Dole Whips) ;)
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This is not a question of new rides vs new monorail lines. Both are equally important.
 
Goofyernmost

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Admiral01 said:
Here is a questsion for the knowledgable ones out there: How does Disney handle large capital investment programs and projects? What kind of return on investment does the board of directors require for a large CapX program? Not that this rumor is true (cool if it was), but a $2B investment in transportation over, say, 10 year or 20 years, doesn't seem that large. What was DCA, like $1.5B over the course of 5 years? What return on investment are they seeing from that so far, what is the target %, and over how many years? For that matter, was the original monorail expansion, from the TTC to EPCOT, part of the EPCOT construction budget, or was that a separate CapX project? I know how the aerospace and defense industries do it...is a company like Disney in the entertainment industry the same?
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This wouldn't be a cash return investment...it would be a cash continuation investment and looked at completely differently. Having a new monorail car will not increase the gate by even one. Having no monorail would, however, adversely affect the WDW image and therefore the gate. It is more of a real property replacement investment.
 
T

TDL

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I really wouldn't be betting $1000 a head when there are in fact talks of a monorail from DTD to an I4 Parking Garage going on right now.

But hey, I'll gladly take free money.
 
PeterAlt

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Buried20KLeague said:
Your point is well taken.

I'll be the first one to say that I don't think they'll expand the monorail at WDW, but I DO believe that so many here view this topic with horse blinders on. There are probably a dozen different angles TWDC could use to cut down on the expense of an expansion... A special grant from the government, tax breaks, corporate sponsorships, yadda yadda... TWDC has the ears (ha) of politicians at nearly every level, including the Executive branch.

If they were to "spend" 2.6 billion on build-out/new fleet, you can be sure their actually "out of pocket" expense would be WORLDS below that.

Again... I don't think WDW will get monorail expansion. But... I'm also not naieve to the possibility they are exploring ways to get it done and get it partially paid for.
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Also, they have Reedy Creek, their own government that could raise a guest tax on hotels, tolls, etc. to pay off a bond sale that could pay for it.

By the way, this is the only case that I am aware of where a private corporation is allowed to own branch of government. This is part of the ideals of fascism. Not saying Disney is fascist, but we should be aware of this fact, and let it slide just this once.
 
PeterAlt

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po1998 said:
I'm in the minority, but I'd be in favor of not only tearing up any monorail rehab/expansion plans, but also demolishing the current monorail system, if it meant getting much needed improvements to AK, EC & DHS.
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I'm in favor of converting the current system into an automated linear induction motor on demand and programmed route people mover PRT system that would service mostly everything on property and allow off property land owners to tie into it if they are willing to pay the price to do so.
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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PeterAlt said:
This is not a question of new rides vs new monorail lines. Both are equally important.
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Equally?? I would disagree immensely... as per the part of my post where I said buses were more cost effective and efficient, I don't think expansion of the monorail is necessary and frankly I would consider an expansion a waste of money. Renovations to the lines and new trains? That's fine. But a full on expansion? Sorry, but no. A new monorail would not be a draw...I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Oh let's go to Disney World to ride the monorail." Many many more people don't ride the monorail at any given time than do. And I simply don't hear anyone clamoring for it the way they are for new rides/projects ect. The buses may be ugly but they get the job done for the most part. Therefore I would only want to see them spend money on a new monorail line after they fix the problems in their parks. And I feel like I can guarantee that Disney would only do one project at a time...heck, they don't even want to greenlight any project.
 

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