Rumor: COP replacement

adam75081

New Member
Ok let's remeber:
1. Wall-E has not even opened
2. It would be great at the box office or sink like Atlanis
And 3. This is planed for 2009 and building will most likely take a year or so, so that would be pushing it.
 

PintoColvig

Active Member
Why put in WALL-E when we have PUSH the Trashcan? Here we go again. Replacing themepark original characters with characters from movies. :lookaroun

Save the CoP!
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
What is really comes down to is that the current group of designers seem to have their worlds working a bit backwords.

Entertaining shows and spectacles still have a basis in storytelling and theme. You come up with an idea you want to express, then find or make the technology to convey the idea.

Instead, they are creating technology and finding stories they feel fit it.

For example, if they wanted to have a Monsters night club, why the screen? Wouldn't it have been better told and more realistic with animatronics? Instead they decide they wanted a screen attraction and hunted for a show to fit it.

So true. Its the same mistake Hollywood film makers are making now days, they think of amazing action sequences with great special effects then design a weak story around them. It doesn't work that way. Story always comes first.
 

Jheyman

Member
This about WALL-E?
Not a greenlit project, just a concept at this point.
Could happen...but won't be close until the film comes out and performs.

Or it might just fade away like so many concepts do...

Have we all lost our minds....Lee not only said its not greenlit yet but had the very good sense to say that the film hasn't even come out yet....lets think...what would have happened if WDI decided to replace timekeeper with chicken little before it opened....where would we be now....probally in another refurb....lets not all jump to conculsions...
 

Southern Lady

New Member
In San Antonio TX at one time they wanted to tear down the Alamo. After all it was uncared for, and was just past history. One lady got a group together and purchased it. What is historic in WDW? Isn't this COP just such a idea of Walt. I saw it in the NY World Fair, and I saw it again in 2006 at WDW. I hope that they don't destroy this one part of WDW's history. I love the stories that make WDW creative, and not just a Park.
 

echoscot

New Member
In San Antonio TX at one time they wanted to tear down the Alamo. After all it was uncared for, and was just past history. One lady got a group together and purchased it. What is historic in WDW? Isn't this COP just such a idea of Walt. I saw it in the NY World Fair, and I saw it again in 2006 at WDW. I hope that they don't destroy this one part of WDW's history. I love the stories that make WDW creative, and not just a Park.


WOW, you got to see it at the NY World's Fair? That must have been amazing. Did you see the other Disney exhibits there?
 

Thelazer

Well-Known Member
The "Stitch Encounter" idea from Paris seems the more likely replacment.

I'd agree with Lee on this one. It's just to early for it.
 

Southern Lady

New Member
Yes, I saw Its a small world and The Hall of Presidents. I see those three again each time I go to WDW. I love the new rides also, like Expedition Everest and Its tough to be a Bug.
 

david10225

Active Member
Sigh...I hate to say it but as a very little child (8)..I still remember going to the NYWF and seeing Carousel of Progress, The Ford Pavillion with the magic skyway and Pepsi Cola/Unicef Small World. The only other two things I can remember from the fair was the GM and the Dupont shows. I never got to see the Illinois pavillion though.

BTW..the bus ride from Massachusetts to the fair and back, including admission was $10.00 :)
 

prberk

Well-Known Member
Yes, I saw Its a small world and The Hall of Presidents. I see those three again each time I go to WDW. I love the new rides also, like Expedition Everest and Its tough to be a Bug.

I am assuming that you mean "Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln" (the Illinois pavillion), with only the Lincoln AA, since the whole hall of presidents was not done until Walt Disney World opened it.

It must have been neat to be there. My parents were there, and they saw many of the attractions, including most of the Disney ones, but just didn't really think about it at the time. They have pictures of the fair, but none at the Disney attractions....

I really, really think that John Lassiter and crew could actually completely re-do COP with its original concept, just completely re-done timing between scenes, or either a combination of new scenes and a walk-through exhibit post-show...

Paul
 

echoscot

New Member
I am assuming that you mean "Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln" (the Illinois pavillion), with only the Lincoln AA, since the whole hall of presidents was not done until Walt Disney World opened it.

It must have been neat to be there. My parents were there, and they saw many of the attractions, including most of the Disney ones, but just didn't really think about it at the time. They have pictures of the fair, but none at the Disney attractions....

I really, really think that John Lassiter and crew could actually completely re-do COP with its original concept, just completely re-done timing between scenes, or either a combination of new scenes and a walk-through exhibit post-show...

Paul

That's an interesting idea Paul. Have the second story with the "vision of tomorrow".

Speaking of Hall of President's though, I may be in a minority here, but I preferred the original show to what it is now. In my eyes it was never meant to be a full history of the US, but rather a brief history of the presidency under the Constitution, which is why 1787 is on the exterior of the building.


Sorry, that was off topic, back to COP...
 

Southern Lady

New Member
Yes, you are correct! It was only Lincoln. I remember how amazed we were when he stood up. I remember the GM exhibit because we "rode" in a car, but I don't remember anything else about it. My parents went, and my children were all there. My parents had gone to the Chicago World's Fair. It was my father who took us first to WDW in Christmas 1972. I didn't go back until Dec 1998.Wow how it had changed.
 

hauntdmansion79

Active Member
not only that - many of the attractions rely heavily on projectors... even rides people think of AA shows, like Horizons. The 'projectors are evil' is just a huge blacklash to several current attractions.

People's memories are short...

Not my memory, I remember all the attractions new and old that have used video screens and projectors. But you are defanitely right about the opinions towards video screens being a backlash to several current attractions.

As for people telling us that video screens have always been a part of Disney attractions, I think most of us are aware of that. But they used to be used to enhance an attraction, not BE the attraction. Tower of Terror is a great example of well used video screens and projectors to enhance an attraction. Of course there have always been pure video attractions that are advertised as a film, such as Philharmagic, Captain EO, O' Canada...etc. For these we know what to expect because they are advertised as films. But when Disney advertises something as an attraction or ride and it ends up being a simulator or show with a majority of content/effects being video screens, it is a let down.

Of course, as with all posts, this is only my opinion. I love Disney but sometimes it's tough love because I hold them to such high standards.
 

echoscot

New Member
Not my memory, I remember all the attractions new and old that have used video screens and projectors. But you are defanitely right about the opinions towards video screens being a backlash to several current attractions.

As for people telling us that video screens have always been a part of Disney attractions, I think most of us are aware of that. But they used to be used to enhance an attraction, not BE the attraction. Tower of Terror is a great example of well used video screens and projectors to enhance an attraction. Of course there have always been pure video attractions that are advertised as a film, such as Philharmagic, Captain EO, O' Canada...etc. For these we know what to expect because they are advertised as films. But when Disney advertises something as an attraction or ride and it ends up being a simulator or show with a majority of content/effects being video screens, it is a let down.

Of course, as with all posts, this is only my opinion. I love Disney but sometimes it's tough love because I hold them to such high standards.

Again, If You Had Wings, an attraction, billed as such, which was nothing more than moving past a series of projections on 2D cardboard cutouts. Incredibly popular and well liked, a lot of people still know the song.

Although, when they fall back on that as an upgrade, it is disappointing.
 

Skippy_

Member
Well I heard that Disney is going to spend millions refurbishing CoP, adding incredible AA's to all the show scenes and some amazing new crystal-clear audio, but the final future scene will have a black curtain put in front of it and everyone will take a survey on what kind of the sponsor's products they use the most!

Also, Rex Allen will be replaced with Judi Drench and "It's a great big Beautiful Tomorrow" will be replaced with "You've got a Friend in Me!" (they claim change is good, even if what was there worked, and they don't want WDW to become a museum)

From what I hear, the Imagineers are extremely excited about this idea (what they claim to be their finest and most innovative one since Imagination 3.0 and MILF) and think it will help bring teenagers into the park and bring excitement to the finale with this BRAND NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE THING CALLED touch screen interactivity.

They see this new tech as the future of all their attractions and it will help bring the TOMORROW back into Tomorrowland (the future that never was)!

Wow, sounds even better than SSE :rolleyes:

Skippy
 

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