Rumor concerning Phil Holmes

[maggiegrace1]

Don't you get it, Sirgoofy? We're not going to believe you, because we don't want to believe you! Like, what if the people in the meeting when Phil said that....maybe they misheard him! Maybe their hearing-aids malfunctioned making it sound like Phil doesn't care about top-notch quality. And while we're at it, there's nothing wrong with MK, either. Lots of people still visit. And Disney's not firing people. It's all an Imagineering Pepper's Ghost fiber-optic illusion. Mmmmmk?

That is not true at all...

My thing is that no one here has concrete proof that he did or said anything..so why blame him for everything when we really do not know who is at fault for any problems at MK?



Anyway...

 

[TalkingHead]

So...is that a "yes" or a "no" that you understand the reality. Again, it may not be right...but it is going on. When you get on the board, you can change it. Or you can change the board's mind by not giving Disney another cent of your money.

Since I am satisfied that I am getting a good value on my entertainment dollar at MK, I will continue to go.

And since I'm not, I don't. Beautiful freedom of choice.

 

[Timmay]

And since I'm not, I don't. Beautiful freedom of choice.

Yep!! It is all subjective...you are not right nor are you wrong. It is just an opinion.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

...

LET IT BE, LET IT BE, LET IT BE, LET IT BE
WHISPER WORDS OF WISDOM, LET IT BE


And when the broken hearted people
living in the world agree
there will be an answer, let it be

for though they maybe parted
there is still a chance that they will see
there will be an answer, let it be


LET IT BE, LET IT BE...............
THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER, LET IT BE

:sohappy:


Can we? This is going in circles.

 

[jakeman]

Don't you get it, Sirgoofy? We're not going to believe you, because we don't want to believe you! Like, what if the people in the meeting when Phil said that....maybe they misheard him! Maybe their hearing-aids malfunctioned making it sound like Phil doesn't care about top-notch quality. And while we're at it, there's nothing wrong with MK, either. Lots of people still visit. And Disney's not firing people. It's all an Imagineering Pepper's Ghost fiber-optic illusion. Mmmmmk?

Thank you for your obtuse, non-contributory comment.

Unfortunately most complaints fall on deaf ears. I've complained about the same things at the Jungle time after time with no luck.

I understand that I'm probably coming of as some spoiled brat, but I just have so much passion for my job, that I hate to see the place that I work in the condition it currently is in.

I don't mean to offend people or anything...it's just incredibly frustrating.

I would said if they are falling on deaf ears then you are not yelling loud enough. If the chain of command is not working go to supervisors of the people who are supposed to address your issue. If that doesn't work then keep moving up until you find some that cares. As long as your issues are reasonable and your ineffective contacts are documented then there shouldn't be problem.

 

[maggiegrace1]

I get what you are saying, maggiegrace. I just have an extreme amount of trust in the person who told me it, they haven't lied to me about a Disney issue yet.


Unfortunately most complaints fall on deaf ears. I've complained about the same things at the Jungle time after time with no luck.

I understand that I'm probably coming of as some spoiled brat, but I just have so much passion for my job, that I hate to see the place that I work in the condition it currently is in.

I don't mean to offend people or anything...it's just incredibly frustrating.

Understood..:wave:


I think it is great how much passion you have for your job and the company in general.

 

[TalkingHead]

Then what are you doing about it? There has to be a chain of command for complaints.

It was my understanding when I worked there that if there was a maintainance issue that you should notify your manager and they were required to send the complaint up. Is this no longer the case? Or are cast members not following up on issues they raise?

Where I worked, when we did ride-thrus and saw broken effects and reported them, nothing ever happened. Every morning for the opening checklist, I would mark effects that didn't work, and...they never got repaired.

WDW has a list of priorities, and upkeep of attractions is near the bottom.

 

[SirGoofy]

I would said if they are falling on deaf ears then you are not yelling loud enough. If the chain of command is not working go to supervisors of the people who are supposed to address your issue. If that doesn't work then keep moving up until you find some that cares. As long as your issues are reasonable and your ineffective contacts are documented then there shouldn't be problem.

Honestly, if I go any higher, I think I may actually hit Phil himself with my complaints.:lol:

It just seems that the little things aren't overly as critical to some people as they are to me.

And with that. I've said my peace, and will leave the thread for greener pastures.

 

[krankenstein]

:sohappy:


Can we? This is going in circles.

Yep, this whole thread reminds me of when I got stuck in the 1920's scene of Cop for 3 show cycles. It's just the same thing over and over. :dazzle:

*still waiting patiently for a definitive answer*

 

[GothMickey]

I want to add a little something. Steve, I respect your insight, and it truly makes sense. However, let me add this little tid bit, just some food for thought. Isn't the blame ALWAYS placed on the man in charge? Since Phil Holmes is VP of MK, then the errors in MK, the lackluster additions, the staled product, the half-hearted refurbs would be attributed to him. Jay Rasulo and Bob Iger, Al Weiss, and others ahead of Phil Holmes deserve blame to. Look at it this way:

The U.S. economy collapsed under Bush. Who got the blame? Bush? Was it Bushs fault? Partly. But, since he was the man in charge at the time of the collapse, he got the blame. Same will go to Phil Holmes, whether warranted or not.

I place blame with him too. But, after reading a lot of the posts in this thread, we need to spread the blame the penny pinching bean counters as well. Phil may be part of the problem, but not all of it.

If he did leave, and someone else took over, would things really be extremely different, or will the bean counters still limit the amount of money authorized for a refurb or the construction on a new attraction?

 

[jakeman]

Where I worked, when we did ride-thrus and saw broken effects and reported them, nothing ever happened. Every morning for the opening checklist, I would mark effects that didn't work, and...they never got repaired.

WDW has a list of priorities, and upkeep of attractions is near the bottom.

You didn't follow up on the checklist to see who was responsible and why it wasn't done?

Or did you just fill out the checklist and turn it and complain they weren't fixed?

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Honestly, if I go any higher, I think I may actually hit Phil himself with my complaints.:lol:

It just seems that the little things aren't overly as critical to some people as they are to me.

And with that. I've said my peace, and will leave the thread for greener pastures.

I think you just hit it. Disney no longer looks at the details. I mentioned this last night. "Walt's Human Touch" as it's known in TWDC. TWDC seems to be looking ONLY at the entire picture, the ENTIRE company and because they see good things there, they think it's good everywhere.

I want to add a little something. Steve, I respect your insight, and it truly makes sense. However, let me add this little tid bit, just some food for thought. Isn't the blame ALWAYS placed on the man in charge? Since Phil Holmes is VP of MK, then the errors in MK, the lackluster additions, the staled product, the half-hearted refurbs would be attributed to him. Jay Rasulo and Bob Iger, Al Weiss, and others ahead of Phil Holmes deserve blame to. Look at it this way:

The U.S. economy collapsed under Bush. Who got the blame? Bush? Was it Bushs fault? Partly. But, since he was the man in charge at the time of the collapse, he got the blame. Same will go to Phil Holmes, whether warranted or not.

I place blame with him too. But, after reading a lot of the posts in this thread, we need to spread the blame the penny pinching bean counters as well. Phil may be part of the problem, but not all of it.

If he did leave, and someone else took over, would things really be extremely different, or will the bean counters still limit the amount of money authorized for a refurb or the construction on a new attraction?

THIS. It's only human nature to aim for the top. Well thought.

 

[hrcollectibles]

Couldn't we just look on Disney Career Website to see if they have a position open For Vice President :shrug: Sorry I was trying to lighten the mood. To be honest I had never heard of Phil Holmes. And it is true that perception is reality. It is kind of sad when there are people on a message board happy that someone is losing their job. This is a very hard time for a lot of people.

 

[jakeman]

Couldn't we just look on Disney Career Website to see if they have a position open For Vice President :shrug:

We couldn't probably make it past the fanboy screener! :ROFLOL:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

We couldn't probably make it past the fanboy screener! :ROFLOL:

:lol::lol:

Someone at Disney is reading this right now and laughing.:lol:

 

[GothMickey]

I think you just hit it. Disney no longer looks at the details. I mentioned this last night. "Walt's Human Touch" as it's known in TWDC. TWDC seems to be looking ONLY at the entire picture, the ENTIRE company and because they see good things there, they think it's good everywhere.


THIS. It's only human nature to aim for the top. Well thought.

Of course it is, whether it is fair or not. In my opinion, we have the right to question the VP of the entire park, just like we have the right to question the man in charge of WDW, Disney Parks, and the entire Disney Company. Why should we not question Phil Holmes? Because he may not have been the one making the call? Well, it is his park, and, by association, the things that happen in his park are on his watch, and, in the end, he is responsible. Or at least the one who we will question the decision. Maybe he isn't the final say, but, he is the one who has to provide the answers. He has to have the thick skin to tolerate the bashing.

What is the difference between receiving the praise when things go right as compared to taking the blame when things go wrong?

 

[fosse76]

You didn't follow up on the checklist to see who was responsible and why it wasn't done?

Or did you just fill out the checklist and turn it and complain they weren't fixed?

Are you really that naive? Exactly what power would he have had to be able to make other people do their job? When you work in a job with a clear hierarchy of operations, it is frowned upon to go above the hierarchy, and the higher-ups rarely (if ever) listen to the lowerlings.

 

[SoccerMickey]

I don't think anyone thinks that one man is responsible for the stale state of the Magic Kingdom but I think if Phil Holmes' position became available to fill then it would mean that change for the entire Walt Disney World Resort was on its way and at the rate its been going for the past few years change would be a much welcome thing.

 

[GothMickey]

Are you really that naive? Exactly what power would he have had to be able to make other people do their job? When you work in a job with a clear hierarchy of operations, it is frowned upon to go above the hierarchy, and the higher-ups rarely (if ever) listen to the lowerlings.

But he can go to his direct manager, who can then go to their manager who can then go to someone who can get it done. At least, this is how it works where I am employed. We have an issue, we have the leeway to go to whoever we need to. When that fails, we go to our supervisor, who then goes to the department that has to do the work. When that fails, my supervisor goes to his manager, and they continue up the chain until the issue is resolved. But this is WDW we are talking about so who knows how it runs there.

 

[jt04]

I think you just hit it. Disney no longer looks at the details. I mentioned this last night. "Walt's Human Touch" as it's known in TWDC. TWDC seems to be looking ONLY at the entire picture, the ENTIRE company and because they see good things there, they think it's good everywhere.


THIS. It's only human nature to aim for the top. Well thought.

While I usually agree with you I think you are still stuck in the past. If you look at what is happening at DCA it is obvious Imagineering and the WDC has learned from their past mistakes. The new boardwalk architecture is right up there with any "Main Sreet" architecture. It is just going to take awhile for them (Imagineering) to turn their attention (and for the WDC checkbooks) to WDW.

But in the meantime WDW is putting a ton of money into infrastructure all over property. These are projects that don't require a lot of input from Imagineering but add to the overall guest experience. Plus money is also going into building and updating the DVC's and resorts.

So bottom line is, it is obvious Disney plans to fill all those resorts which will mean investments we all want to see (new and refurbed attractions) draw closer by the day.

PS--Blue Sky Disney has some very interesting stuff about 20K and it's future as a franchise. My guess is it has the potential of keeping Mr Rohde quite busy.