MCast
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Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want a Matterhorn/Swiss pavilion combo? I would think the two go together like bread and butter.
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Rumor: Adventureland Volcano
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Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want a Matterhorn/Swiss pavilion combo? I would think the two go together like bread and butter.
Princess Leia
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Here are the countries currently in the World Showcase, and their respective continents:
- Mexico- North America
- Norway- Europe
- China- Asia
- Germany- Europe
- Italy- Europe
- USA- North America
- Japan- Asia
- Morocco- Africa
- France- Europe
- UK- Europe
- Canada- North America
45% of the countries represented are European, and 3/5's of Switzerland's neighbors are in the World Showcase (Austria and Liechtenstein are not). I have nothing against Switzerland or it's culture, but adding another primarily white European nation is not what the WS needs right now. It desperately needs something from South America (and if the rumors are accurate, say "Olá!" to Brazil), and I wouldn't say no to India, Israel, or Egypt. Even though I think Spain (another rumored country) has some similar culture to Morocco, I would accept that over Switzerland.
The original Epcot Matterhorn concept was a mess, and would need to be greatly improved upon. The pavilion itself looked nice, but was pretty similar in structure to Germany.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...traction-greenlit.923680/page-40#post-7553131
I've biked in the mountains of Germany and Austria, and I really see no reason that a mountain attraction couldn't be built in the German pavilion. The pavilion between Germany and Italy could then be used for a country with food and culture that isn't found elsewhere at the park.
Sorry for the off-topic mountain discussion. Does anyone have plans of what Fire Mountain was to look like originally?
MCast
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Well articulated and makes sense. A Matterhorn-esque ride would do fine behind Germany.
rushtest4echo
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Take a theme like Journey to the Center of the Earth @ Disneysea and mix it with a ride layout similar Volcano: The Blast Coaster at Kings Dominion (but make it a Vekoma flyer) and you'll have a pretty good idea of what it was supposed to be. They drifted between a suspended coaster, an inverted one and a flying coaster during the projects development but they really wanted a traditional coaster system that would "invert" to a flying position and launch up a volcano.
I can't seem to find the original "project Stealth" video from Great America, but it was originally supposed to dispatch as a typical sit down coaster, and then "recline" riders onto their backs during the lift hill. This feature never worked, and the ride simply reclined in the station before dispatch like all Vekoma flyers do today. Still, that animation showed very clearly how the mechanism for Fire Mountain would have operated- wish I could find it.
NothingRhymeswithOrange
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My only question about this is, if this is to be a Moana Volcano themed coaster wouldn't it make more sense if the monster in the film was actually a volcano? She was technically just a Lava monster, with no indication that she was a volcano...
rushtest4echo
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I lava that short!
Martin- Agree totally that a Tron coaster is not the answer in TL. Also agree completely that SM needs a complete overhaul even though it will mean shutting it down for an extensive period. But, if they have sense ( which we cant always say they do) they wait until Pandora, SW Land, TS land are all open and the redevelop of Epcot is well under way and then if it were me, I would wall off TL and start over. Gut and redevelop SM and add the people eaters. Unfortunately, we know that isnt a viable option, but, it would make the most sense. Thats why I think a park balance in AL would be almost necessary to do something like that. Its a lot of fun to speculate based on things heard or overheard, things people wonder out loud about, things people know have already been discussed, whether publicly or not so much. But, it is a business and they make some missteps along the way. I think at times they run into the cant see the forest for the trees syndrome. Thanks for your clarification and take on the matter. Things change at the planning stage a ton and I think people dont understand just how much they change and how quickly. So I respect the fact you post things you can and offer opinions and thoughts based on what you think. I dont take those as gospel because I am aware things rapidly can shift. I only know the things I have heard from other people, so your take and thoughts are very informative and reliable, and typically confirm things that have come my way.
bcoachable
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Who remembers a post about a load/launch system patent that was posted not too long ago that had you standing, and allowed for many to load at once..
has that system been seen anywhere yet?
Seems that would be a great way to start a volcano "coaster" (to me at least)
Not that I am dreaming this fire mountain thing will ever happen (yet)
has that system been seen anywhere yet?
Seems that would be a great way to start a volcano "coaster" (to me at least)
Not that I am dreaming this fire mountain thing will ever happen (yet)
A bit of a devil's advocate here: If MK is getting too much of the visitor pie compared to the other parks, then, obviously, you beef up the other parks, which WDW is indeed doing (however slowly and belatedly). The flip side of that is to... discourage... people from going to the MK (hello one-day surge pricing!). So, go ahead and take SM offline right now to refurb and plus it. People will howl, but, it has to be done sometime, and why not right now to put a tiny dent in MK attendance? And if you're doing it to upgrade it... you can tout how you're doing it for a better guest experience!
Also a good idea, but, until they have things at the other parks to suck up those extra guests, it would just strangle the rest of the parks as well as the rest of MK for quite a while. A refurb of SM, which is in dire need, wouldnt be a 3 or 6 month project. More like 12-18 Months on the conservative side depending on how much $ they are willing to spend. While I do see what you are saying, it would push people to other parks, but, at the moment, to where? Pandora is just opening and the Studios are barely operating until SW land and TS land open. Epcot is a shell of its former self and is about to go through a major overhaul. I think shutting down SM now would create such a void that the backlash wouldnt just be against MK. It would push people away from WDW all together.
UpAllNight
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I don't think they care about people complaining about 1 attraction being down...they care about a key attraction closing which will force up the already too big queues at the other rides, making MK even more insufferable.
I agree with what's been previously said, they've made their own problems, and the only solutions are to build more, or grin and bear with the complaints.
I agree with what's been previously said, they've made their own problems, and the only solutions are to build more, or grin and bear with the complaints.
ProfSavage
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A Moana themed volcano ride in AL with a huge Tamatoa AA would be fun...
EasyRover
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Yes! I hope that this stays Moana related. I would love this being part dark ride, coming out to half the mountain as Te-Ka and then the end of the ride being Ta Fiti.
And I think this is the key. As much as it would be nice for them to redo SM on a long rehab, the only way they do it is when the other parks are in a better place to absorb crowds and there is something else in MK to get attention.
Unfortunately, that day will never come. Once AL, SWL, and TSL are built and there are a few extra rides or major refurbs here and there, that will not be enough for two reasons:
1. Those new attractions will attract more people because they're attractions... they attract. There will never be a time when WDW builds out their parks and it doesn't increase attendance. Therefore, there will never be a time when other parks can fully absorb from other parks. Build out capacity for an extra million guests... and an extra 1.2 million show up.
2. The armchair imagineers will never be satisfied with the number of attractions. You can put an extra six rides each in DHS, AK, and Ep; and they'll moan how it's not enough and something needs to be done with the crowds in the MK.
Spike-in-Berlin
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I hope, that if they build a volcano coaster or volcano-based attraction (something similar to JttCoE), they don't do a movie theming. Nearly all famous major E-Tickets were unique attractions (which later often spawned movies, but that's something completely different) unrelated to actual Disney movies: Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, PotC, BTMR, Space Mountain, etc.. The present trend with RSR in DLR and a ride like Splash Mountain are exceptions, not the rule.
I would prefer a Volcano attraction with it's own storyline, it's own music (JttCotE e.g. has a beautiful theme) and is the central weenie of a new immersive subland of AL of it's own (Polynesia? Volcania?).
Of course I am hoping for this since the first rumors about Fire Mountain got out and that's quite a long time ago.
And BTW the MK is not the only possible location for a WDW volcano, ever heard about the Mt. Fuji RC for Japan in WS?
I would prefer a Volcano attraction with it's own storyline, it's own music (JttCotE e.g. has a beautiful theme) and is the central weenie of a new immersive subland of AL of it's own (Polynesia? Volcania?).
Of course I am hoping for this since the first rumors about Fire Mountain got out and that's quite a long time ago.
And BTW the MK is not the only possible location for a WDW volcano, ever heard about the Mt. Fuji RC for Japan in WS?
Why Germany? The actual Matterhorn is on the Swiss-Italian border. So it fits into the Italy pavilion just fine. I agree there is no need to build a Swiss pavilion, although the chocolate and cheese would be good.
jt04
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You are confusing the optimistic armchair Imagineers with the pessimistic doom and gloom crowd.
But yes, properly developing the other three parks is vital to the future of the MK.