News Rogers the Musical coming to the Hyperion Theater

[Disney Irish]

In-universe, not a joke. But blatantly not very good. But Hawkeye leaves because of seeing Black Widow and can't enjoy it (also very self-conscious of its inaccuracies).

Out-of-universe, huge joke. A send-up of many bad tropes of musicals.

I completely agree with the first part.

On the second part, my opinion is its clearly not a joke as they are spending real money on bringing a "limited" run version of it to DCA. But obviously opinions will vary.

 

[celluloid]

In-universe, not a joke. But blatantly not very good. But Hawkeye leaves because of seeing Black Widow and can't enjoy it (also very self-conscious of its inaccuracies).

Out-of-universe, huge joke. A send-up of many bad tropes of musicals.

It will not work easily for the general public for similar reasons Dinorama does not work for the current general public. Even when the cerebral understand, they want something better than a display of tropes.

It could be presented well, but likely not.

It would make more sense as an amazing stunt show where you get the tropes of the play but is interrupted and turns into a Marvel Stunt Show. And that would even have to be carefully done.

 

[Figments Friend]

Ooooo…!
Rogers!

As in a musicial stage production based on Roger Rabbit, right?
That fits perfectly with the Hollywood area there at DCA.

Yay!
I love Roger!


Oh wait…..

Awww, more Marvel…?



Never mind….

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[MarvelCharacterNerd]

If it is Rogers: The Musical, I'd expect it to be a much shorter show - maybe a half hour at most. Maybe only 20 minutes. Most people are not going to go spend an hour watching an original Marvel musical unless the music is outstanding and what we heard thus far in Hawkeye was not. lol

So I was right that they're going with a short show for this (one act).

I still don't understand the choice to spend money to stage something short term for the summer when the theater needs something permanent in there, but maybe the permanent show is planned to start in Fall/Winter (Fiscal Year 2024) and they need time to develop it more and this is really just to open up the theater again to something as practice after three years being closed.

And while I will go see it ASAP (and hopefully enjoy it enough to want to see it regularly all summer long - more good shows is always yay for me), I am a bit concerned that they're missing the Morbius parallel where people were calling out "It's Morbin' Time!" online and the studio actually rereleased the film thinking social media response = actual like of the movie, when it was actually just amusement at it.

Can they take the amusement factor of "It's Rogers Time!" and make it into something actually entertaining for people outside the meme-verse or the diehard Marvel fandom? I hope so. But I am just bemused by this, in spite of being one who's joked since it premiered to put it in the Hyperion. I mean... we were joking... mostly.

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

So I was right that they're going with a short show for this (one act).

I still don't understand the choice to spend money to stage something short term for the summer when the theater needs something permanent in there, but maybe the permanent show is planned to start in Fall/Winter (Fiscal Year 2024) and they need time to develop it more and this is really just to open up the theater again to something as practice after three years being closed.

And while I will go see it ASAP (and hopefully enjoy it enough to want to see it regularly all summer long - more good shows is always yay for me), I am a bit concerned that they're missing the Morbius parallel where people were calling out "It's Morbin' Time!" online and the studio actually rereleased the film thinking social media response = actual like of the movie, when it was actually just amusement at it.

Can they take the amusement factor of "It's Rogers Time!" and make it into something actually entertaining for people outside the meme-verse or the diehard Marvel fandom? I hope so. But I am just bemused by this, in spite of being one who's joked since it premiered to put it in the Hyperion. I mean... we were joking... mostly.

I wonder what the permanent show will be. I assume it would be something not Marvel.

 

[Phroobar]

Even though I didn't like the movie, Encanto would make a great stage musical for the Hyperion.

 

[Professortango1]

While I didn't think it was going to be Rogers, I like the idea.

For those that keep saying it was a "joke", it wasn't. It was a full production musical number with actual real theater actors, real choreography, real costumes and a real set that were done on the same scale of any Broadway production. It was even staged by a real Broadway director, Marc Shaiman.

Basically it was decided by Kevin Feige that if they were going to have a Broadway show as part of a MCU story that they weren't going to "fake it" or make it a "joke", it was going to be real within the MCU. Now obviously there was never a real Rogers Broadway show, but its clear they spared no expense on it. And while what was shown in the Hawkeye show was only a small piece of it, it was a full musical number which was filmed in its entirety and available to watch.

And now its coming to life at DLR making it actually real, and I'm all for it.

Hawkeye is our protagonist. We are supposed to see the world through his eyes. When he see Rogers, he is rolling his eyes and the show is presented as a joke with surface-level depictions of the "real" people and events. I fear that Disney is about to pull a Morbius and not understand why something got traction with people and double down on it. People liked Rogers because it was a dumb parody. A quick gag. But I don't know if I want to watch 45 minutes of the same gag.

 

[DavidDL]

@Disney Irish ; Respectfully, I'd argue it's meant to be interpreted as a joke/parody for the viewing audience at home. Regardless of who they bring in to tell it. The fact that they went out of their way to hire real Broadway performers/composers only helps add to the ridiculousness of it all. Now, instead of it just being a joke, it's a big joke.

I think you need look no further than the fact that Ant-Man is included in the musical number for the 2012 attack on New York. Clint points this out as being way off the mark. At the very least, this is supposed to tell us that the "in-universe" creators of the show don't really know what they are doing. That is meant to be funny to us. The entire thing is meant to be silly and funny. Bringing in real household names to create it only makes it grander and funnier.

 

[Professortango1]

Even though I didn't like the movie, Encanto would make a great stage musical for the Hyperion.

I think it lacks the dynamics to work. It is a large cast of underdeveloped characters without a lot to physically do in the story. I just see a tall actress in a bad muscle suit singing Surface Pressure in front of digital screens with donkeys on them. Or random chorus members dressed as dancing donkeys. Because the cartoon!

They did a decent job with Tangled for the Disney Cruise Line. I know the same guy who helped create the magic and show for the Doctor Strange thing at DCA has also been instrumental in a new Marvel show on the Cruise Line.

I mean, I would love to have a Doctor Strange Magic Show in the Hyperion with actual large scale illusion and effects, especially if "things go wrong" at some point. He could do some mentalism with the crowd, some sleight of hand, some grand illusions. I'd be so down for that. But nope, we have a standing room only outdoor patio with some angle-friendly effects.

 

[Phroobar]

I think it lacks the dynamics to work. It is a large cast of underdeveloped characters without a lot to physically do in the story. I just see a tall actress in a bad muscle suit singing Surface Pressure in front of digital screens with donkeys on them. Or random chorus members dressed as dancing donkeys. Because the cartoon!

They did a decent job with Tangled for the Disney Cruise Line. I know the same guy who helped create the magic and show for the Doctor Strange thing at DCA has also been instrumental in a new Marvel show on the Cruise Line.

I mean, I would love to have a Doctor Strange Magic Show in the Hyperion with actual large scale illusion and effects, especially if "things go wrong" at some point. He could do some mentalism with the crowd, some sleight of hand, some grand illusions. I'd be so down for that. But nope, we have a standing room only outdoor patio with some angle-friendly effects.

It is a bad movie but for a theme park audience that just wants to hear the songs, it might work.

 

[DavidDL]

I think we can also look at the shorter run-time (one act) and "limited engagement" status of this show as furthering the idea that the entire thing is just supposed to be played for a bit of fun. Disney isn't investing in turning this into a full Broadway-style show (in the park or otherwise) because they know it's not supposed to be taking itself so seriously.

Regardless of intention, both comedy and musicals put people in theatre seats. In this case, they have something that's a bit of both. Meant to be taken "seriously" within the MCU and meant to get a giggle out of us watching D+ at home. All that really matters in this case for the Hyperion, is if it can be fun. I think it's likely to to get smiles, eye-rolls and some laughs all at the same time out of Guests. It'll probably end up being a good time to be had.

 

[waltography]

I think we can also look at the shorter run-time (one act) and "limited engagement" status of this show as furthering the idea that the entire thing is just supposed to be played for a bit of fun. Disney isn't investing in turning this into a full Broadway-style show (in the park or otherwise) because they know it's not supposed to be taking itself so seriously.

Every show in the Hyperion has been a one-act, and plenty of things that were billed "limited engagements" by Disney's in-park entertainment team have gone on to last much longer than their allotted timing (Tale of the Lion King being the most recent example), so I don't think either metric helps in determining if this is supposed to be a gag or not. Moreover, Disney itself stated in its casting call that Rogers the Musical is supposed to be a "Broadway-caliber theatrical production" with a book by a Tony nominee and music by an Emmy and Grammy winning composer.

We'll see exactly how many resources they devote to this show when it opens this sumer (will they change the proscenium/stage/video wall? what will costumes/set pieces look like?), but personally describing this show as "limited run" sounds like it's a way for them to Steps In Time their way out of the show if it tests poorly rather than a reflection on their intent or resources they're investing into the project.

 

[Professortango1]

It is a bad movie but for a theme park audience that just wants to hear the songs, it might work.

If that was the case, the Frozen show would have been more successful. Catchy songs help, but a good script and directing are what make a show entertaining.

I'm excited for the new version of Hercules being developed for the stage. Catchy music but also a fun story and the opportunity for theatricality.

 

[DavidDL]

... so I don't think either metric helps in determining if this is supposed to be a gag or not. ...

To be clear, I mean the entire premise within the actual context of the show is supposed to get a laugh out of us, the viewers at home. Whatever is coming to DCA is obviously going to be based on these moments within the show (or whatever they did at D23?). Ergo, it stands to reason that we as viewers of the show in the park know not to take this show as "seriously" as others. Or at the very least, not place it under the same microscope or hold it to a level of scrutiny that we would a show that we paid to actually see on Broadway, given the subject matter.

To ask us to take it as seriously as other shows, or hold it to those kinds of levels would be to have us start immediately with why they couldn't be bothered to get better outfits for characters like Loki, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man or Iron-Man, when plenty of other shows have performers performing in more extravagant attire. Outfits like these might make sense in something like, say, Rent for example but not for our purposes here if it's meant to be "serious". But it's not, so it's fun and a good time.

 

[waltography]

I'm excited for the new version of Hercules being developed for the stage. Catchy music but also a fun story and the opportunity for theatricality.

I've been trying to get a read for what audience response to the Paper Mill Playhouse run is like, but the online response feels like it's all over the place.

To be clear, I mean the entire premise within the actual context of the show is supposed to get a laugh out of us, the viewers at home. Whatever is coming to DCA is obviously going to be based on these moments within the show (or whatever they did at D23?). Ergo, it stands to reason that we as viewers of the show in the park know not to take this show as "seriously" as others. Or at the very least, not place it under the same microscope or hold it to a level of scrutiny that we would a show that we paid to actually see on Broadway, given the subject matter.

To ask us to take it as seriously as other shows, or hold it to those kinds of levels would be to have us start immediately with why they couldn't be bothered to get better outfits for characters like Loki, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man or Iron-Man, when plenty of other shows have performers performing in more extravagant attire. Outfits like these might make sense in something like, say, Rent for example but not for our purposes here if it's meant to be "serious". But it's not, so it's fun and a good time.

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Sorry, my bad; I misconstrued that you were talking about the show in the context of Hawkeye since you were pulling elements from the announced Hyperion show and not from Hawkeye to justify it. I agree that in-park entertainment is likely developing this to be a farce and is expecting the audience to view it as such. That being said, we know so much more than the in-universe audience about Captain America and his history through the movies and so I think that necessarily requires they have to diverge from whatever ethos was grounding the show in Hawkeye in order to be successful; whether Hunter Bell and Chris Lennertz realize that or not I think will be the determining factor on if the show is any good.

(As an aside, all this in-universe/out-universe talk reminds me of the circles this forum went through discussing what Lightyear actually was in relation to Toy Story, damn them. )

 

[DavidDL]

Sorry, my bad; I misconstrued that you were talking about the show in the context of Hawkeye since you were pulling elements from the announced Hyperion show and not from Hawkeye to justify it. I agree that in-park entertainment is likely developing this to be a farce and is expecting the audience to view it as such. That being said, we know so much more than the in-universe audience about Captain America and his history through the movies and so I think that necessarily requires they have to diverge from whatever ethos was grounding the show in Hawkeye in order to be successful; whether Hunter Bell and Chris Lennertz realize that or not I think will be the determining factor on if the show is any good.

(As an aside, all this in-universe/out-universe talk reminds me of the circles this forum went through discussing what Lightyear actually was in relation to Toy Story, damn them. )

Sorry too for not being more clear (I see now what you meant regarding my post)! I agree, the in-universe/out-of talk can get a little cumbersome. Thankfully, we're out of universe for whatever is going into the Hyperion so this is going to be one of those moments where we get to turn our brains off and just enjoy. It's crazy to think how something as simple as moving the show a few feet away into Avengers Campus would affect how we all interpret it.

To summarize and clear out any confusion: Within the MCU, Rogers is meant to be taken seriously. In real life, the moment meant to give us some laughs. -and a fun song.

 

[Disney Irish]

Hawkeye is our protagonist. We are supposed to see the world through his eyes. When he see Rogers, he is rolling his eyes and the show is presented as a joke with surface-level depictions of the "real" people and events. I fear that Disney is about to pull a Morbius and not understand why something got traction with people and double down on it. People liked Rogers because it was a dumb parody. A quick gag. But I don't know if I want to watch 45 minutes of the same gag.

@Disney Irish ; Respectfully, I'd argue it's meant to be interpreted as a joke/parody for the viewing audience at home. Regardless of who they bring in to tell it. The fact that they went out of their way to hire real Broadway performers/composers only helps add to the ridiculousness of it all. Now, instead of it just being a joke, it's a big joke.

I think you need look no further than the fact that Ant-Man is included in the musical number for the 2012 attack on New York. Clint points this out as being way off the mark. At the very least, this is supposed to tell us that the "in-universe" creators of the show don't really know what they are doing. That is meant to be funny to us. The entire thing is meant to be silly and funny. Bringing in real household names to create it only makes it grander and funnier.

I appreciate both your opinions, but I disagree. Such as life, opinions may vary on topics like this.

 

[DavidDL]

I appreciate both your opinions, but I disagree. Such as life, opinions may vary on topics like this.

Appreciate yours, too. Even if we disagree. We are, after all, essentially discussing art here. What it means and how it makes you feel is going to be different for everyone.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I appreciate both your opinions, but I disagree. Such as life, opinions may vary on topics like this.

I’m with you on this one. I interpreted Rogers to be a “serious” musical in the show and not a parody. In the scene, Clint is visibly embarrassed and unimpressed by the show. Additionally, no one else in the audience is laughing. They are watching the show with serious faces and taking it seriously. If this was supposed to be parody, there should be more evidence of such a show. Neither Clint, nor the audience should have been taking the show so seriously. They would have more likely than by gone in knowing it was a parody and would have therefore had more fun and lighthearted responses. It was the exact opposite, though.

The musical is an obvious parody for us viewers watching Hawkeye from our devices, and we are supposed to find it ridiculous and funny. However, it definitely comes off as a serious musical to the viewers in Hawkeye. That’s my take on it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The full musical number as it appeared on D+ is four and a half minutes. So, there's got to be more to the show than just that number.

With Peggy intimated to be involved, it will definitely be more than a five minute cheeky number.