News Rogers the Musical coming to the Hyperion Theater

[Consumer]

I just hate Hamilton. I don't understand the obsession with it at all. Frankly, Lin Manuel Miranda's overrated. I do like In the Heights, however.

 

[Phroobar]

I just hate Hamilton. I don't understand the obsession with it at all. Frankly, Lin Manuel Miranda's overrated. I do like In the Heights, however.

When things are aimed at a certain demographic, the media latches on. It's a decent musical. In the Heights was better.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

They're not going to do Hamilton at DCA (though I'd love it if they did), not when LMM has produced two extremely marketable actual Disney films.

But if they did, they'd just...cut the F bombs, which would be extraordinarily easy to do and change nothing about the show in any meaningful way. Shocking, I know.

I love Hamilton (and Moana and Encanto and I enjoyed In the Heights). But f-bombs aside, it's the story of a guy who gets shot in a gun duel. I don't see any chance Disney brings that into their park.

I'm honestly still shocked the duellists (and the ghost host suicide) are still in the Mansion. (Not that I'm advocating for their removal; it's an observation based on Disney and depictions of violence in the parks in the modern era.)

 

[PiratesMansion]

I'm honestly still shocked the duellists (and the ghost host suicide) are still in the Mansion. (Not that I'm advocating for their removal; it's an observation based on Disney and depictions of violence in the parks in the modern era.)

Oh, I'm sure it's coming. People in the CBJ thread can't stop tripping over themselves to announce that they're ok with the changing of that attraction and "ho hum, well we all knew it was coming, so I guess it's fine." Meanwhile, people seem equally ok with WDW's assertion that it doesn't really matter where they put the Hatbox Ghost. It's really embarassing, and doesn't bode well for future attraction changes.

The notion that family friendly entertainment exclusively means 'squeaky clean entertainment that my extremely sensitive five year old can enjoy' will inevitably mean that any bite will be removed from attractions in the future-never mind that people will continue to show their children Snow White, Pinocchio, Wizard of Oz, etc. and be "shocked" that these films that "everyone knows are for families" are darker than they remember and that maybe, just maybe, their fragile five year old can handle it, actually. If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Oh, I'm sure it's coming. People in the CBJ thread can't stop tripping over themselves to announce that they're ok with the changing of that attraction and "ho hum, well we all knew it was coming, so I guess it's fine." Meanwhile, people seem equally ok with WDW's assertion that it doesn't really matter where they put the Hatbox Ghost. It's really embarassing, and doesn't bode well for future attraction changes.

The notion that family friendly entertainment exclusively means 'squeaky clean entertainment that my extremely sensitive five year old can enjoy' will inevitably mean that any bite will be removed from attractions in the future-never mind that people will continue to show their children Snow White, Pinocchio, Wizard of Oz, etc. and be "shocked" that these films that "everyone knows are for families" are darker than they remember and that maybe, just maybe, their fragile five year old can handle it, actually. If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.

Which is why at Disneyland, Snow White's SCARY Adventures became her Enchanted Wish...

Changes to Mansion do seem inevitable.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Which is why at Disneyland, Snow White's SCARY Adventures became her Enchanted Wish...

Changes to Mansion do seem inevitable.

I actually 100% understand the Snow White changes. The gulf between what people expected that ride to be and what it actually was had always simply been too great. They actually did a pretty good job with that one, all things considered.

But I'd also be lying if I said I was emotionally attached to ANY version of that ride.

 

[Professortango1]

I just hate Hamilton. I don't understand the obsession with it at all. Frankly, Lin Manuel Miranda's overrated. I do like In the Heights, however.

I avoided it for a long time because of all of the hype, but when I finally saw it...I got it. The writing is incredibly complex with the sheer volume of lyrics crammed into the show and the different styles of the characters as well as subtle allusions. It is a work of genius.

The direction is also top notch and never gets enough credit. The use of the ensemble and stark staging is perfection. Hadestown wishes it was that good.

I like In the Heights a lot as well, although it doesn't have the same draw for me. The movie version is pretty bad though.

As for Lin himself, yeah...I don't need a ton of projects by him since they all carry his distinct voice. Moana was okay musically, same with Encanto. They both feel like they are made up of B-Sides for me, even the popular songs like We Don't Talk About Bruno and How Far I'll Go just seem like there's something not quite hitting. It could be the mediocre movies surrounding them too.

I just don't really need to see him acting anymore. I don't begrudge him casting himself as a lead twice and taking on these film roles, but the man is a writer first and a performer second.

 

[Professortango1]

I actually 100% understand the Snow White changes. The gulf between what people expected that ride to be and what it actually was had always simply been too great. They actually did a pretty good job with that one, all things considered.

But I'd also be lying if I said I was emotionally attached to ANY version of that ride.

Scary Adventures wasn't my favourite, but I did enjoy it. That and Pinocchio's Daring Adventures were fun to go on and a great work of storytelling in a different medium. The new version...it gives me tonal whiplash and feels rushed at the end. I wish they would have just ripped it out and designed a new attraction from the ground up rather than trying to lighten up scenes and shove in a random finale sequence.

"Mirror mirror under a bridge, does this feel cheap? Yes a smidge."

 

[PiratesMansion]

Scary Adventures wasn't my favourite, but I did enjoy it. That and Pinocchio's Daring Adventures were fun to go on and a great work of storytelling in a different medium. The new version...it gives me tonal whiplash and feels rushed at the end. I wish they would have just ripped it out and designed a new attraction from the ground up rather than trying to lighten up scenes and shove in a random finale sequence.

"Mirror mirror under a bridge, does this feel cheap? Yes a smidge."

Counterpoint on the tonal whiplash of new Snow White: the 83 version ended with the witch dying, followed by "They lived Happily Ever After" painted on a wall, and please step out to your left. The argument could be made that there was tonal whiplash from a guest perspective-clearly people stopped reading the marquee after the words "Snow White", just as they had for over 60 years.

It would have been nice if they had designed something from the ground up, but I also imagine they would have gotten a fair amount of backlash from many if they had removed one of the OG Fantasyland dark rides completely.

 

[Professortango1]

Counterpoint on the tonal whiplash of new Snow White: the 83 version ended with the witch dying, followed by "They lived Happily Ever After" painted on a wall, and please step out to your left. The argument could be made that there was tonal whiplash from a guest perspective-clearly people stopped reading the marquee after the words "Snow White", just as they had for over 60 years.

It would have been nice if they had designed something from the ground up, but I also imagine they would have gotten a fair amount of backlash from many if they had removed one of the OG Fantasyland dark rides completely.

Yeah, the mural is what caused a lot of issues. It would have been cheaper to just paint over the mural.

And, as a fan, I'd rather lose a classic to a new ride than lose a classic to a Frankenride.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Yeah, the mural is what caused a lot of issues. It would have been cheaper to just paint over the mural.

And, as a fan, I'd rather lose a classic to a new ride than lose a classic to a Frankenride.

I think the core issue is/was that even if you put the word "Scary" into the title, most people just don't expect a ride starring Snow White to be one of the scarier rides in the park. The lame ending didn't help, but wasn't as big of an issue as the expectation mismatch.

I honestly can't blame Disney for just caving on that particular issue.

And if they were to go with something else, I'm genuinely not sure what would be an appropriate replacement. Pretty much every older movie that could have been made into a ride already has been, and if you're doing something based on a newer movie that's presumably more marketable, people would be even more likely to expect something bigger and grander (as much as people complain about the Little Mermaid ride, imagine if they had tried to do something with Little Mermaid in one of the tiny Fantasyland dark ride spaces. I imagine the result would have been poorly received in just about every possible scenario). And on top of that issue, you'd probably create traffic flow issues in a rather small, cramped area of the park that still has to be shut down for fireworks for a sizeable number of park operating days.

So at a certain point it likely becomes more logical to just change Snow White to match guest expectations than to do just about anything else with the space. Because the other alternative is probably to just make it a shop, as was allegedly proposed at one time or another during the Pressler regime.