Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

[Mikejakester]

Happened to be riding the TTA today and snapped some photos prior to entering the Space Mountain indoor section. I wonder how different this view will be by MK's 50th.

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I wonder how feasable it would be to leave the location of the Speedway where it is with a major overhaul (change to electric cars since Gas is so 90's) and build Tron on top of it. (Which means the speedway will have areas where it will be enclosed).

 

[MisterPenguin]

There's a whole thread about Mystic Manor coming to WDW. Go to here: Mystic Manor Clone At WDW

 

[MisterPenguin]

Just reading through the thread... So speedway is SAFE??

If there's a silver lining at least they'll still have that plot for something else. Maybe its being saved for something else. Something cool. Hopefully.

Speedway is being overhauled. Don't know what that means yet. Theme? Don't know. Electric Cars? Maybe.

Just no further info.

 

[flyerjab]

@marni1971, sorry to hit you up with another question. Are there any plans that include doing something with Tomorrowand Terrace?

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

A roadside carnival hosted by cartoon dinosaurs was an extremely thorough effort to keep cohesive theme?

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody defending Chester (though, for what it is, I think it's very well done and very richly themed with layers of story-telling), but at least, again, it is completely focused on dinosaurs, which were animals.

 

[britain]

Peter Pan is totally different. Small World is very different. Pirates here is half as long as the one in Disneyland. Each Mansion has their own unique rooms. Main Street is pretty much the same in name only. A handful of rides are similar, and the lands are in roughly the same positions, but everything else is very, very different. It's like trying to say Cinderella Castle is a clone of Sleeping Beauty Castle.

WE know there are great differences, but frame it this way: Is the difference at all distinctive enough for Disney to point it out in marketing material aimed at the general public?

WDW's truncated Pirates was advertised as "Finally! The classic from Disneyland has arrived!" And then in the finer print, there would be talk about how in this new version there's an impressive fortress. But that's it.

Mansion? Pan? Small World!? I challenge you to find any marketing material that makes any sort of hay out of trough-less Small World.

 

[Incomudro]

The myth of world travel as frought with difficulty is wrong. Even flight cost can be less imposing than you think. I flew to shanghai for $200 more than it would have cost me to fly to LA to Disneyland. It's about having the guts to make the jump.

Fear of global travel is a very American thing. Drives me nuts.

And there's no reason you can't visit these other countries and also sightsee within the country. I'm not sure why you WOULDN'T. I've done that in every foreign country that houses a Disney Resort.

Regardless.
I'm certain that only a fraction of park goers visit more than one park in a lifetime.

 

[wdwmagic]

@marni1971, sorry to hit you up with another question. Are there any plans that include doing something with Tomorrowand Terrace?

The terrace is a valuable revenue source with the firework dessert party along with dining (it was the first to go Mobile Order at MK today). I would be surprised to see it go anywhere.

 

[Thanks phoenicians]

The real question after all of this is what happens with SGE

 

[Incomudro]

I wonder how feasable it would be to leave the location of the Speedway where it is with a major overhaul (change to electric cars since Gas is so 90's) and build Tron on top of it. (Which means the speedway will have areas where it will be enclosed).

The Speedway needs a major overhaul if it's to remain there after the Tron coaster is built.
If anything, anything is out of place themewise in any of the parks - it's the Speedway in Tommorrowland.
It's out of place now, and will be even more out of place without a thorough revamp.
My family has had a lot of fun on the Speedway.
But, you want to talk carni -faire?
Chester & Hester actually looks like a Midwest roadside area sprung up around a Dinosaur dig site.
The speedway is woefully out of place, and always was.

 

[RobbinsDad]

The real question after all of this is what happens with SGE

 

[pmaljr]

The myth of world travel as frought with difficulty is wrong. Even flight cost can be less imposing than you think. I flew to shanghai for $200 more than it would have cost me to fly to LA to Disneyland. It's about having the guts to make the jump.

Fear of global travel is a very American thing. Drives me nuts.

And there's no reason you can't visit these other countries and also sightsee within the country. I'm not sure why you WOULDN'T. I've done that in every foreign country that houses a Disney Resort.

It's $1400 a ticket on Delta, per person, from my airport to Shanghai for a flight in November. It costs $50 for a tank of gas to drive to Orlando which is 8.5 hours away and that will hold up to 5 people. It absolutely is a crap-ton more expensive, not to mention all of the other obstacles I mentioned. It's not fear of travel, it's fear of cost. If I spend $2800 for just me and the wife, before I even touch down in Shanghai, how could I possibly afford to stay there long enough to do all the sights and sounds of Shanghai, plus take in a trip for a few days at Disney? No stinking way. I would love for that to happen, but it's not going to.

 

[Jbres_]

This thread should just be changed to the TL renovation discussion

 

[bhg469]

What exactly do you think a yeti is? Even more pressing, what exactly do you think dinosaurs were? This may be shocking, but these are examples of animals.

How do you think Mystic Manor fits into Animal Kingdom? It does not focus on animals, or conservation, or symbiosis with nature. Hell, it's not really even about adventure, which you postulated earlier.

I'm in the camp that feels Mystic Manor could work well Adventureland and I find it to be DRASTICALLY different from Haunted Mansion, so I don't think that would be an issue either. It definitely does not fit into Animal Kingdom whatsoever, though.

What do I think a yeti is? Its a myth.... There is no real proof it exists. Relax a little. Understand that theme would fit, if you had some good story telling and we all know nothing is sacred anymore. If it means enough people would visit, Disney would throw the conservation theme completely out the window. Do not tell me for one second that a yeti is any different than any other crypo zoological creature. Just like mischievous monkey unleashing another myth can fit just as well.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

What do I think a yeti is? Its a myth.... There is no real proof it exists. Relax a little.

Yes, but it's a mythical animal, I'm not sure what about that concept is hard to grasp.

Understand that theme would fit, if you had some good story telling and we all know nothing is sacred anymore. If it means enough people would visit, Disney would throw the conservation theme completely out the window. Do not tell me for one second that a yeti is any different than any other crypo zoological creature. Just like mischievous monkey unleashing another myth can fit just as well.

No, because Mystic manor doesn't focus on the monkey. He's just the plot device to bring the inanimate objects to life. I'm in no way against Mystic Manor coming stateside, I just don't think Animal Kingdom is the right place for it. At all. It's akin to saying Little Mermaid should have been built in Animal Kingdom because it features fish or that Haunted Mansion should have been built there because there's a dead wolf in the graveyard.

 

[marni1971]

@marni1971, sorry to hit you up with another question. Are there any plans that include doing something with Tomorrowand Terrace?

There's proposals. Wider Tland plans are still vague.

 

[peter11435]

What do I think a yeti is? Its a myth.... There is no real proof it exists. Relax a little. Understand that theme would fit, if you had some good story telling and we all know nothing is sacred anymore. If it means enough people would visit, Disney would throw the conservation theme completely out the window. Do not tell me for one second that a yeti is any different than any other crypo zoological creature. Just like mischievous monkey unleashing another myth can fit just as well.

Just because they've put themes in that didn't belong in other places doesn't mean we should encourage it again here.

A yeti is very different. The myth of the yeti is a real concept believed by real people in real places. Yes the creature itself may be imaginary but the myth is real. And in the case of EE the attractions story revolves around that animal. MM's story revolves around artifacts not animals.

 

[britain]

Just because they've put themes in that didn't belong in other places doesn't mean we should encourage it again here.

A yeti is very different. The myth of the yeti is a real concept believed by real people in real places. Yes the creature itself may be imaginary but the myth is real. And in the case of EE the attractions story revolves around that animal. MM's story revolves around artifacts not animals.

Hence my suggestion to make it more Jumanji than Night at the Museum. And you could add a dash of Harrison Hightower by having the manor overrun by the resurrected animals Lord Mystic (or maybe a new character) hunted throughout his career.

Hey, Little Red's mom could even make an appearance!

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Perhaps not the best thread for this but I got to thinking about the "space" inside SM and how that could be repurposed. Would it at all be possible for them to borrow track from the mirrored coaster (side B) patch side A to give it new life and make Side B a completely different attraction within the SM building? Would that be beyond stupid or genius? Don't mean to thread hijack but the idea just popped in my head.

You would just be throwing bad after worse. Plus, I'm sure the tracks are both worn in similar spots, as the stresses are similar.

Plus it's mirrored. And the labor required would certainly cost more than fabricating brand new. And it would cut capacity in half.

 

[Seabasealpha1]

I can speak from me wanting Beauty and Beast trackless ride that Tokyo is creating.

The reason is Disney's New Fantasy Land didn't reach its goal and what the substance was. I've have problems with New Fantasy Land for years. The goal was to bring more capacity to the park, but it didn't reach that good like Disney wanted. What happened was Disney went Style over Substance, and go on the cheap side on certain things.

Case in point is take a look at the Mini Beauty and the Beast Land. That Mini Land actually didn't fill need MK needed for giving the park more capacity. Enchanted Tales with Belle is very low capacity attraction and that didn't help MK at all. What MK needed was a trackless Beauty and the Beast ride that has much better capacity than Enchanted Tales with Belle does.

What Enchanted Tales with Belle did is have maybe 600 at tops per hour compare to all the trackless rides Disney did over seas. It isn't known what the Beauty and the Beast Trackless ride capacity is going to be, but I'm guessing it would be at least 1,500 guests and that is something MK needed.

Actually, what they needed was to build that Frozen attraction they unceremoniously wedged straight up the kiester of Epcot in New Fantasyland...

That would have brought in the screaming kids and their money laden parents like the Pied Piper was in town...