Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

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WildcatDen

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So...build time.

Open by 2019...or a 50th anniversary ride?
50th. But I will add that as we have gotten closer to D23, my calls from 818 have been few and far between. I can read that one of two ways, too much talk may expose a source and it is wise to lay low, or maybe the source has already been exposed?

It is also interesting that I have seen less and less from @magicfeather recently? @marni1971 have you noticed anything that would lead you to believe some sources have been compromised? Oh, and as always, thanks for your input/news. It is much appreciated.
 

Princess Leia

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Ugh. That stinks. Hopefully one of the attractions is a little more thrilling than a Star Tours level.
They both should be. The Falcon attraction sounds like Star Tours + Mission: Space on steroids (everyone will have a job in the cockpit), and Alcatraz sounds incredible, with potentially over 150 AAs on the ride.

Quotes from Feather and Martin about Alcatraz:
"Think trackless spiderman, with more physical sets to complement the (still very present) screens."

"With a bit of Transformers for good measure.

And a little Honey Hunt. And a bit of Gringotts."
 

danlb_2000

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They both should be. The Falcon attraction sounds like Star Tours + Mission: Space on steroids (everyone will have a job in the cockpit), and Alcatraz sounds incredible, with potentially over 150 AAs on the ride.

Quotes from Feather and Martin about Alcatraz:
"Think trackless spiderman, with more physical sets to complement the (still very present) screens."

"With a bit of Transformers for good measure.

And a little Honey Hunt. And a bit of Gringotts."

Misson Space without the centrifuge.
 

21stamps

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They both should be. The Falcon attraction sounds like Star Tours + Mission: Space on steroids (everyone will have a job in the cockpit), and Alcatraz sounds incredible, with potentially over 150 AAs on the ride.

Quotes from Feather and Martin about Alcatraz:
"Think trackless spiderman, with more physical sets to complement the (still very present) screens."

"With a bit of Transformers for good measure.

And a little Honey Hunt. And a bit of Gringotts."

One of my favorite rides ever was a non coaster attraction- with screens and special effects. Sadly that ride is now defunct, too much of a "thrill" for MK, but would be amazing at DHS or IoA..unfortunately will never happen due to capacity.
 

King Panda 77

Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
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Yes, but they were wrong. :p
Disney had a plan for a fantasy animal land, and Avatar is an analogy for conservation on Earth.
It was always a perfect fit.
Mystic Manor has nothing to do with animals or conservation.
I could see it in Adventureland.
To me Animal Kingdom lost it's claim to 100% immersive and cohesive theming when they plonked that dang dinoland concrete carnival in there.
 

Bocabear

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Monstropolis would have been great...at least more original and interesting than "Andy's Back Yard"...I guess they can reuse some of the Honey I shrunk the Kids Movoe Set Adventure, and some of the crap they are taking out of Bugsland in DCA... But what a missed opportunity to create something truly magical.
 

flynnibus

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First off, I never want to be in a position where I'm defending Tom Corless. I recognize the position, but I also recognize that many people are quick to lump him and Jim Hill together when that's not really fair either. I've challenged Corless countless times publicly because he throws far too much ridiculous stuff out there to be taken too seriously. Jim's missteps on rumors have at least been grounded in reality.

I've seen a few different times on this forum where Jim has thrown out an idea and the trusted insiders on this site immediately shoot it down. This has recently included the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, C3PO piloting Star Tours 2.0 and the third theater for Soarin'.

Despite what others may think on here, Jim still gets good information, he just falls into the trap of wanting to put it out too early. I've seen @marni1971 exhibit far more restraint lately because I think he has occasionally been burned on similar things.

As it stands right now, there are three different ideas on Tron coming to Tomorrowland. Corless is saying it's a Speedway replacement, Jim has last said it's coming if Tron 3 is successful, and @marni1971 is indicating that it's going behind the Speedway and additional changes to the area are also possible. There's quite a bit of smoke there, and I'd probably be safe with classifying the Tron rumor as "In Development" on my site, but I'm not quite ready to do that. I've still got it classified as "Blue Sky".

The "guidelines" I use for these distinctions are as follows:

Blue Sky: A rumor is classified as “Blue Sky” when it is supported only by a single public source, or multiple sources that are providing conflicting information. While rumors frequently contain misinformation, “Blue Sky” rumors typically refer to projects that Disney is seriously considering for development in some form, at some undefined point in the future.

In Development: Rumors classified as "In Development" have moved beyond the "Blue Sky" classification. These rumors have typically not been publicly confirmed by the company, but are supported by multiple public sources or a source that appears to have direct knowledge of the project. "In Development" rumors often have timelines and details that are less concrete than "Confirmed" rumors.

Confirmed: Rumors classified as "Confirmed" have been publicly confirmed by Disney or are supported by other objective evidence such as permit filings or other public records. There have been instances of Disney confirming a rumor and the project still not happening, but those situations are rare.

Your last two categories are in adequate.

Ideas go into development to further flush out the proposal. These can still be to just further the concept, or could be to work up a buildable project. A rumor can be confirmed in that state, yet still not garunteed to be built.

At this phase there can still be multiple tracks that are overlapping or conflicting. Plans can be the 'plan of record' in a long term model yet still not committed or guaranteed.

Then you have the phase of 'it's happening!!!' Aka it's not just the plan... but it's committed to and in the pipeline to deploy. Even then, halts can happen.

'Confirmed' is a horrible label to talk about a milestone. Its a label for 'confidence of information' - not probability.

It should be about confidence in the information (rumor or well sourced) and then about where the project is in development. Idea, working proposal, in development, in execution.
 

Otterhead

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To me Animal Kingdom lost it's claim to 100% immersive and cohesive theming when they plonked that dang dinoland concrete carnival in there.
It's definitely a symptom of running out of money and having massive plans derailed at the last minute.
That said, while it doesn't exactly fit the theme of the rest of the park ("Welcome to Asia!... aaaand.... you're in a roadside attraction.") I've always had some affection for how well Dino-Land is themed. It does a perfect job of replicating a midwest roadside carnival and clearly knows how goofy it is :)
 

21stamps

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It's definitely a symptom of running out of money and having massive plans derailed at the last minute.
That said, while it doesn't exactly fit the theme of the rest of the park ("Welcome to Asia!... aaaand.... you're in a roadside attraction.") I've always had some affection for how well Dino-Land is themed. It does a perfect job of replicating a midwest roadside carnival and clearly knows how goofy it is :)

I like Dinoland. Imo it's no less out of place than Donald Duck meeting near dinosaurs.lol
 

doctornick

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Agreed. Mk needs a new thrill ride. This is most welcome.

I think a new thrill ride is reasonable, but I would rather see one in Adventureland rather than in TL, next to Space Mountain. Having one in AL would help balance out the park. TL (and Frontierland for that matter) would benefit more from an all ages ride.

Not that I'd complain if we get the Tron ride as a new build.
 

gmajew

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I think a new thrill ride is reasonable, but I would rather see one in Adventureland rather than in TL, next to Space Mountain. Having one in AL would help balance out the park. TL (and Frontierland for that matter) would benefit more from an all ages ride.

Not that I'd complain if we get the Tron ride as a new build.

I agree would rather see a dark ride in this space and a thrill in adventure land....
 

*Q*

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Peter pan
small world
pirates
hunted
main street

they may be slightly different but come on.... Just saying same rides different parks... Sure maybe a bump here different but close enough
Peter Pan is totally different. Small World is very different. Pirates here is half as long as the one in Disneyland. Each Mansion has their own unique rooms. Main Street is pretty much the same in name only. A handful of rides are similar, and the lands are in roughly the same positions, but everything else is very, very different. It's like trying to say Cinderella Castle is a clone of Sleeping Beauty Castle.
 

Princess Leia

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I think a new thrill ride is reasonable, but I would rather see one in Adventureland rather than in TL, next to Space Mountain. Having one in AL would help balance out the park. TL (and Frontierland for that matter) would benefit more from an all ages ride.

Not that I'd complain if we get the Tron ride as a new build.
Personally, I would very much like both. I'd also like to see the Rivers of America get a new attraction, but idk what the plan is there.
 

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Monstropolis would have been great...at least more original and interesting than "Andy's Back Yard"...I guess they can reuse some of the Honey I shrunk the Kids Movoe Set Adventure, and some of the crap they are taking out of Bugsland in DCA... But what a missed opportunity to create something truly magical.

If it's to be "Andy's Back Yard" there's the possibility of there being bugs. Maybe in time they'll change the land to include other Pixar properties. The stuff from CA Bugsland would certainly fit and HS doesn't currently have a spinner so there's that! To think they could and still can make this a Pixarland instead of a ToyStoryland and don't is such a low blow to the arm-chair imagineering community. Seems like a common sense sure thing to do. Shame they wont.
 
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