Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

[HauntedPirate]

Well, I agree the Speedway has it's place but they could update it. Maybe they will but we know they've looked at replacing it. How seriously I have no idea. But other castle parks are removing it, so it's probably not long for the world.

They put in an indoor go-kart track at the Mall of America using electric go-karts. On the surface there's no reason to believe that something similar couldn't happen at MK, although I realize there are more technical challenges to doing something similar outside at the Speedway.

 

[jpeden]

Don't give them ideas, They may do a mosaic of her in BLT II if that ever gets built...

Of course, they would deny that the mosaic was of her while placing the nameplate on the wall - it's the BLT way.

 

[DDLand]

That's been the case since Mickey's Birthday Land nearly 30 years ago. And if you have issues with bad sight lines and them not caring about lands bleeding into eachother: Walt would like to have a word with you about Adventureland, New Orleans Square, Frontierland and Bear Country.

It's a problem, but it's one that's always existed at MK and elsewhere. I hope they mitigate the sight line issues by installing Tron (if that happens) in the plot that I chose to minimize the impacts. Let's be realistic about the issue though, it's not new and it's not unique to NFL and Tomorrowland.

You are talking about a park that had almost perfect transitions in its early years. All Adventureland to Frontierland transitions are pure perfection. No sight line issues with any of them. Frontierland to Liberty Square is a beautiful storytelling journey. Liberty Square to Fantasyland was handled ingeniously (until idiots ruined it decades later) though it was a bottleneck. Moving on you had submarines and Autopia that acted as a buffer between Fantasy and Tomorrow.

MK actually has very few sight line issues. If they proceed with this design choice it would be incredibly saddening. What was supposed to be a temporary land is hardly justification for the further erosion of its sensibilities.

Many of the quirks Disneyland has are due to a process of experimentation and discovery. Ultimately WED was heading towards Magic Kingdom when they were honing in on their craft. Magic Kingdom has no excuse for careless execution after 60 years of experience and thought.

 

[peter11435]

60 seconds my word that is short, is that really the length of the attraction? That's pathetic for a roller coaster, what is the capacity on it? It must be awful.

Ride length does not impact capacity

 

[Kman101]

They put in an indoor go-kart track at the Mall of America using electric go-karts. On the surface there's no reason to believe that something similar couldn't happen at MK, although I realize there are more technical challenges to doing something similar outside at the Speedway.

I've always been for a Wreck-it-Ralph indoor overlay for it. Seems so simple to me but what do I know? lol

 

[larryz]

60 seconds my word that is short, is that really the length of the attraction? That's pathetic for a roller coaster, what is the capacity on it? It must be awful.

Rockin' Rollercoaster is only about 60-65 seconds from launch to breaks and Space Mountain (at DLP) is only about 70-75 seconds from launch to brakes... so, really not that short for a single launch coaster...

Point of comparison -- Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster run about 17 or 18 seconds from launch to brake. But it's an INTENSE 18 seconds...

 

[wdwgreek]

Ride length does not impact capacity

Ah, understood, I was thinking of it the wrong way.

 

[wdwgreek]

You are talking about a park that had almost perfect transitions in its early years. All Adventureland to Frontierland transitions are pure perfection. No sight line issues with any of them. Frontierland to Liberty Square is a beautiful storytelling journey. Liberty Square to Fantasyland was handled ingeniously (until idiots ruined it decades later) though it was a bottleneck. Moving on you had submarines and Autopia that acted as a buffer between Fantasy and Tomorrow.

MK actually has very few sight line issues. If they proceed with this design choice it would be incredibly saddening. What was supposed to be a temporary land is hardly justification for the further erosion of its sensibilities.

Many of the quirks Disneyland has are due to a process of experimentation and discovery. Ultimately WED was heading towards Magic Kingdom when they were honing in on their craft. Magic Kingdom has no excuse for careless execution after 60 years of experience and thought.

THIS! THIS! THIS!

 

[DDLand]

TRON coaster would not work for Magic Kingdom. It would take away from Space Mountain and it's experience. It is the marquee attraction in Tomorrowland.

And the TRON coaster in Shanghai breaks it's theme in that it has a part that goes outside into daylight. It ruins the experience of being in a TRON world. It also makes you sun-blind. I am a big fan of TRON. I'm the type of fan that the TRON coaster should appeal to, but the way they did it in Shanghai doesn't appeal to me.

You are probably right that diversity should win out here. I like Tron, but it is Shanghai's Space Mountain. A different set of ideas would probably be appropriate.

The story of Lightcycle Power Run starts in Tomorrowland at Shanghai. You are in the physical world. You then board your car and prepare for uplink. After being launched outside the show building, you go on the outside portion. The outside portion is you being uploaded to the Grid. You are not taken out of the Grid, because you aren't in the Grid to begin with.

If you are curious about the ride's story read this:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/replacement-for-tomorrowland-speedway.925386/page-9#post-7628449

Seems like they wanted it to go outside to show off the ride vehicles and add a little kinetic action to what is arguably the ugliest Tomorrowland of any Disney park...

That distinction belongs to Tomorrowland at Tokyo Disneyland hands down. I can count at least 4 different design philosophies going through that land by memory.

In my own opinion...

That's the average length from launch to brake zone.

Remember, It was built in Shanghai instead of Space Mountain. The MK already has the Mountain.

This.

Though I do think it would be a huge success. Seven Dwarfs and Big Thunder both coexist together. They are similar, but different enough to both exist. Same would be true of these rides. I would be super excited about riding it stateside, but there are so many downsides. Plus, what could Imagineering cook up if they were unleashed?

are we really saying that SM is better than TRON??? come one now. Ill always love SM and the nostalgia of it all...but u cant compare the 2. Its like apples and oranges (to me). TRON is far superior IMO

The two are very different. One is more about speed and the other is more about tight turns. Both ride experiences are fun.

Tron is pretty novel though. I really enjoyed myself on it. Very very cool ride.

Ride length does not impact capacity

Input, yes, but longer rides do have a higher capacity of people in them. Longer rides should alleviate some crowding issues on sidewalks and queues.

This conversation is like two bottles with a similiar sized openings, but different volumes. The bottles can both intake water at a similar rate, but the smaller one will start overflowing much sooner.

Same applies to rides. Let long rides reign!

 

[IMDREW]

Wait, is the tron ride for magic kingdom really a possibility? @marni1971

I've been on it and it really doesn't feel short when riding it. I understand people saying it doesn't need the outside portion, but imo it really does. It's hands down the best part of the ride. Especially at night. It feels like your so high above the ground and the lights around you are so beautiful, it's insane.

One question, why do they want a ride like this for the magic kingdom? You'd think epcot would be much more in need of this than placing it next to SM. That's just wrong imo, no matter how good, two eticket rollercoasters next to eachother is butchering them both.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Count me in as one who would book a trip to go to Tron's Lightcycles! Two thrill attractions next to each other? No big deal- see Frontierland.

 

[marni1971]

Wait, is the tron ride for magic kingdom really a possibility? @marni1971

I've been on it and it really doesn't feel short when riding it. I understand people saying it doesn't need the outside portion, but imo it really does. It's hands down the best part of the ride. Especially at night. It feels like your so high above the ground and the lights around you are so beautiful, it's insane.

One question, why do they want a ride like this for the magic kingdom? You'd think epcot would be much more in need of this than placing it next to SM. That's just wrong imo, no matter how good, two eticket rollercoasters next to eachother is butchering them both.

It's a possibility. Along with other options.

 

[marni1971]

Count me in as one who would book a trip to go to Tron's Lightcycles! Two thrill attractions next to each other? No big deal- see Frontierland.

May as well build Phantom Manor next to The Haunted Mansion then.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I'd say "OK", but I'd be joking. Those feel too similar. Not sure about Space Mountain and Tron. Depends what else is done to Tomorrowland to tie it all together. Even a different exterior might change the feel and make it more cohesive. There's certainly problems, though.

 

[BEARSHOUSE4]

2 words: Segway tour. Remove the gas powered cars, install segways! Voila! Install some set pieces and u have your ride!

 

[jpeden]

May as well build Phantom Manor next to The Haunted Mansion then.

I'd be okay if they stuck Mystic Manor in Adventureland to be honest.

 

[Bocabear]

I really think two futuristic coasters next to each other are probably a bad idea... Frontoerland has a coaster and a log flume.. that is not the same as two rollercoasters...and really, Space Mountain is so iconic....

I'd say "OK", but I'd be joking. Those feel too similar. Not sure about Space Mountain and Tron. Depends what else is done to Tomorrowland to tie it all together. Even a different exterior might change the feel and make it more cohesive. There's certainly problems, though.

it would be like putting Midway Mania next door to Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters... Two rides with similar theme, doing the same basic thing...

 

[Minthorne]

I really think two futuristic coasters next to each other are probably a bad idea... Frontoerland has a coaster and a log flume.. that is not the same as two rollercoasters...and really, Space Mountain is so iconic....

it would be like putting Midway Mania next door to Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters... Two rides with similar theme, doing the same basic thing...

Or a Dumbo next to a Dum... wait a minute!

 

[britain]

May as well build Phantom Manor next to The Haunted Mansion then.

Point taken - however it might be a bit more like putting Mystic Manor next to the Haunted Mansion, and a lot of people might not mind that.

 

[britain]

I totally see @marni1971's point about two large structures right next to each other. Space Mountain needs to be solitary. But if they put Tron over where the Galaxy Palace Stage used to be it could work.

Plus it would achieve some of what the original plans for Space Mountain had: Exterior ride portions!