News Reimagined Toontown coming

[el_super]

Designed fo punish? Please elaborate.

It's pretty straightforward. People who came from certain backrounds or cultures were essentially forced to work in backstage roles, or areas where they wouldn't be seen. If you insisted on wearing a hijab or a turban, you weren't allowed on-stage.

So asking that one shaves or not hiring people with visible tattoos is harsh?

Yes. What if having a beard is part of a religious belief that is an integral part of a person's culture? Is it acceptable to ask that they abandon their religious or cultural beliefs if they want to work the Teacups?

People still cast movies, shows, etc. based on race or gender.

Less and less now thankfully.

Just another example of Disneyland/ themed entertainment taking a step backwards. Is it ruining my time? No. Do I think things were better before? Yes.

Do you think things were better when women we not allowed to be Jungle Cruise skippers?

The line of what is acceptable moved. It has always been moving and Disneyland has always kept up with where the line was. It honestly takes them a little longer to move than other groups and companies, but standing still just isn't an option.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I’m not engaging in this disingenuous conversation.

That’s what I thought.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Nobody is saying to not hire certain cast members due to ethnicity, age, sex, or disabilities, but we are saying there should be standards for presentation and behavior. That falls into the second definition of discrimination, which is the one I am using.
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Okay. You responded to someone using the first definition, and didn’t differentiate, hence my response.

 

[mickEblu]

It's pretty straightforward. People who came from certain backrounds or cultures were essentially forced to work in backstage roles, or areas where they wouldn't be seen. If you insisted on wearing a hijab or a turban, you weren't allowed on-stage.

So are you talking about how they would cast Polynesian or Native American people for roles in Adventureland/ Frontierland or are you saying that a Black person couldn’t be a popcorn vendor on Main Street? I have no problem with the former.

Yes. What if having a beard is part of a religious belief that is an integral part of a person's culture? Is it acceptable to ask that they abandon their religious or cultural beliefs if they want to work the Teacups?

I would say to find somewhere to work that doesn’t conflict with your religious beliefs.

Less and less now thankfully.

So how does this work exactly? If the script calls for a Black male, how do you not cast a Black male?

Do you think things were better when women we not allowed to be Jungle Cruise skippers?

The line of what is acceptable moved. It has always been moving and Disneyland has always kept up with where the line was. It honestly takes them a little longer to move than other groups and companies, but standing still just isn't an option.

The important part you are leaving out is that men weren’t allowed to be Storybookland skippers either. More importantly, I’m sure 99.9% of them had no issues with it. But I guess you can sit here 70 years later and judge if you want to.

 

[Consumer]

Okay. You responded to someone using the first definition, and didn’t differentiate, hence my response.

Understandable, and honestly expected, but my point was really just to correct @el_super, who is accusing others of racism and xenophobia for simply wanting employees to look well groomed and put together. Frankly, I'm more disturbed by his sentiment that only white people are capable of being qualified to work at Disneyland. Black people and other minority groups are equally capable of being respectful, neat, and pleasant. His premise relies on the opposite being true; that being rude, filthy, and disheveled are part of black culture. I take objection to those claims from el_super.

 

[mickEblu]

Frankly, I'm more disturbed by his sentiment that only white people are capable of being qualified to work at Disneyland. Black people and other minority groups are equally capable of being respectful, neat, and pleasant.

I think what people like this are trying to imply is “who are you to tell me what the definition of respectful, neat, and pleasant is?” Everything is arbitrary and subjective remember. So in 5 years when a CM wants to come to work without having showered in 2 weeks they ll be able to claim that it conflicts with their religious beliefs. They believe that any sort of law or set of rules still only benefit or are dictated by the White, straight man.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Just responding to what you said.

If you don’t want 1920s authenticity, what is it that you want?

I will only be happy if people born in the 1920's are working in those settings. MAKE IT HAPPEN DISNEY! Time travel back, bring them to the future.

 

[Consumer]

I think what people like this are trying to imply is “who are you to tell me what the definition of respectful, neat, and pleasant is?” Everything is arbitrary and subjective remember. So in 5 years when a CM wants to come to work without having showered in 2 weeks they ll be able to claim that it conflicts with their religious beliefs.

Exactly. Well groomed, respectful, put together, etc. are not high demands. And to be completely honest, if somebody's religion requires them to be jerks who only care about themselves, then their religion sucks and I have no problem discriminating against them.

Being a cast member is a job. I have to dress in slacks and a button down for my job. Others have to wear a giant corndog costume for their job. Dress codes and presentation are part of having any respectable job.

 

[J4546]

lol I dont even see the big deal with the outfits but people on here talking about cm appearence is weird. They look fine I dont see a problem

 

[mickEblu]

I will only be happy if people born in the 1920's are working in those settings. MAKE IT HAPPEN DISNEY! Time travel back, bring them to the future.

So are you bothered by the way I think? So everyone needs to think exactly like you or they are fools stuck in the past right? Did I say that I treated the CM with any disrespect? Did I say I did not leave him a nice tip? Seems like the side always “fighting for more rights” is the most narrow minded.

 

[Disney Analyst]

So are you bothered by the way I think? So everyone needs to think exactly like you or they are fools stuck in the past right? Did I say that I treated the CM with any disrespect? Did I say I did not leave him a nice tip? Seems like the side always “fighting for more rights” is the most narrow minded.

I was just making a joke, I haven't read the conversation.

But for real, Disney, make it happen. 1920s PEOPLE OR BUST

 

[DrAlice]

So, 2 days ago I wrote this:

Those costumes are terrible. When I see a cast member in the crowd, my immediate thought is "woah.. what's that guy wearing?". Only after staring for a few seconds do I realize it is a cast member. I'm not sure what they were going for with those outfits, but I doubt it was that.

I'm not sure how that silly opinion started a crazy SIX PAGE argument.

Anyhoo... let me clarify what I meant. As I'm not a fashion designer or imagineer, I have NO IDEA what the costumes for ToonTown SHOULD look like. However, as an infrequent guest, my initial response to those costumes was to NOT NOTICE THAT THEY WERE COSTUMES. That's what makes them fail, IMO. If people have trouble immediately and obviously picking out who the cast members are, that's an issue, and that's why I said what I said.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just because I've only seen them via video.

 

[Rich Brownn]

So, 2 days ago I wrote this:


I'm not sure how that silly opinion started a crazy SIX PAGE argument.

Anyhoo... let me clarify what I meant. As I'm not a fashion designer or imagineer, I have NO IDEA what the costumes for ToonTown SHOULD look like. However, as an infrequent guest, my initial response to those costumes was to NOT NOTICE THAT THEY WERE COSTUMES. That's what makes them fail, IMO. If people have trouble immediately and obviously picking out who the cast members are, that's an issue, and that's why I said what I said.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just because I've only seen them via video.

FFFt. I would be working in a Pirates outfit and people would still ask me if I worked there. LOL

 

[Dr.Cheeto]

Ok, I have a few thoughts after listening to the original Toontown area loop as well as today's newly released Toontown area music. They did a good job with the new one and I like the idea that different instruments are playing thru different speakers throughout the land- that sounds like it would have a very immersive sound - very classic Disney imagineering detail there. However, the old man in me is disappointed in the loss of all of the classic Silly Symphonies and classic Disney short music- you know... the shorts the original Toontown was inspired by (besides Roger Rabbit and the Max Fleischer building aesthetic). It kind of feels like new Toontown is more rooted in the Disney Afternoon, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, and Goofy Movie. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'd just wish classic and new could better co-exist. Funny, because I think the music in the modern Mickey Shorts do a better job at capturing the feeling of early Disney short music better than this new area music does. I wish they could have gotten Christopher Willis to arrange a mix from everything from Skeleton Dance, or Donald and Goofy's theme, all the way to the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse Hot Dog stuff.

I know kids today didn't grow up watching Silly Symphonies or classic Mickey Donald Goofy cartoons from the 30's and 40's. But maybe that's Disney's own mistake for not making them readily available post-Walt Disney Treasure DVD releases from 2006 or whenever.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I know kids today didn't grow up watching Silly Symphonies or classic Mickey Donald Goofy cartoons from the 30's and 40's. But maybe that's Disney's own mistake for not making them readily available post-Walt Disney Treasure DVD releases from 2006 or whenever.

It's insane to me that Disney easily has the most well known and valuable back catalog of any studio out there, but because of their utmost refusal to promote most anything that came out before Little Mermaid, it will eventually be just as irrelevant to modern audiences as most other older movies owned by other studios.

Just destroying what should be a major asset through continued mismanagement, and in favor of what? Throwing The Lion King into something for the 100th time? Horking out a Monsters Inc Disney+ series? Yet another bland kidcom that would've been on the Disney Channel a decade ago?

Eventually no one will care about the bulk of their back catalog, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[SplashJacket]

Regretfully, rode Roger Rabbit this past week and spent the entire ride spinning. Couldn’t tell you what happened!

Beware of the spinning!

 

[mharrington]

It's insane to me that Disney easily has the most well known and valuable back catalog of any studio out there, but because of their utmost refusal to promote most anything that came out before Little Mermaid, it will eventually be just as irrelevant to modern audiences as most other older movies owned by other studios.

Just destroying what should be a major asset through continued mismanagement, and in favor of what? Throwing The Lion King into something for the 100th time? Horking out a Monsters Inc Disney+ series? Yet another bland kidcom that would've been on the Disney Channel a decade ago?

Eventually no one will care about the bulk of their back catalog, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

And yet they do have some (though nowhere near all) of the old shorts, including the Silly Symphonies, streaming on Disney Plus. I suppose we should be grateful that they have anything of the sort at all.

Plus, they supposedly have released (or will be releasing) some of their shorts on Blu-Ray as part of the 100th anniversary:

Again, I guess we should count our blessings. It's certainly better than them erasing their history at all.

And with Bob Chapek gone, maybe, just maybe, things will turn around again. How hard can it be to change a music loop, especially if the tracks already exist?

 

[Parteecia]

Regretfully, rode Roger Rabbit this past week and spent the entire ride spinning. Couldn’t tell you what happened!

Beware of the spinning!

I love the ride but hate spinning. I spend the entire time fighting the steering wheel.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Ok, I have a few thoughts after listening to the original Toontown area loop as well as today's newly released Toontown area music. They did a good job with the new one and I like the idea that different instruments are playing thru different speakers throughout the land- that sounds like it would have a very immersive sound - very classic Disney imagineering detail there. However, the old man in me is disappointed in the loss of all of the classic Silly Symphonies and classic Disney short music- you know... the shorts the original Toontown was inspired by (besides Roger Rabbit and the Max Fleischer building aesthetic). It kind of feels like new Toontown is more rooted in the Disney Afternoon, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, and Goofy Movie. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'd just wish classic and new could better co-exist. Funny, because I think the music in the modern Mickey Shorts do a better job at capturing the feeling of early Disney short music better than this new area music does. I wish they could have gotten Christopher Willis to arrange a mix from everything from Skeleton Dance, or Donald and Goofy's theme, all the way to the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse Hot Dog stuff.

I know kids today didn't grow up watching Silly Symphonies or classic Mickey Donald Goofy cartoons from the 30's and 40's. But maybe that's Disney's own mistake for not making them readily available post-Walt Disney Treasure DVD releases from 2006 or whenever.

I think my bigger gripe with the new music loop is the instrumentation and style of it. They’ve mentioned a few times that they made new ToonTown this area of zen and relaxation…even though the bulk of the land still looks like the wacky zany land of cartoons that it was designed to be. Even the new additions/renovations (Donald’s Boat, Goofy’s Play Yard, Runaway Railway, the Colourful play fountain) are all super wacky and fun. To give the music a completely different vibe from the visual aesthetics of the land just feels off to me. It’s like if they wanted to make Frontierland more “exciting”, and they sought to achieve this by recomposing the area music in a hard rock style…whilst keeping every physical element of the land as is.

The original area music was one of the most enjoyable tributes to the golden age of Disney cartoons. The instrumentation and song choices perfectly encapsulated the feel of the land. The new area music sounds like it comes straight out of the two newest Paper Mario games, which has caused me to redub the land “Toad Town” instead of ToonTown.

It’s also worth noting that there are a few songs I’ve caught on live streams of the land that weren’t included in the recent online release of music. Minnie’s YooHoo, Donald’s 1940s theme, Ducktales theme, and the Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse theme. Perhaps they’ll be coming in a second drop down the line?

 

[brb1006]

Ok, I have a few thoughts after listening to the original Toontown area loop as well as today's newly released Toontown area music. They did a good job with the new one and I like the idea that different instruments are playing thru different speakers throughout the land- that sounds like it would have a very immersive sound - very classic Disney imagineering detail there. However, the old man in me is disappointed in the loss of all of the classic Silly Symphonies and classic Disney short music- you know... the shorts the original Toontown was inspired by (besides Roger Rabbit and the Max Fleischer building aesthetic). It kind of feels like new Toontown is more rooted in the Disney Afternoon, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, and Goofy Movie. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'd just wish classic and new could better co-exist. Funny, because I think the music in the modern Mickey Shorts do a better job at capturing the feeling of early Disney short music better than this new area music does. I wish they could have gotten Christopher Willis to arrange a mix from everything from Skeleton Dance, or Donald and Goofy's theme, all the way to the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse Hot Dog stuff.

I know kids today didn't grow up watching Silly Symphonies or classic Mickey Donald Goofy cartoons from the 30's and 40's. But maybe that's Disney's own mistake for not making them readily available post-Walt Disney Treasure DVD releases from 2006 or whenever.

So glad I have both DVD copies of the Mickey Mouse Cartoons in both volumes for the black-and-white and colored cartoons from the Walt Disney Treasures series. Because there is a huge amount of classic Mickey Mouse cartoons that ain't available on Disney+.