News Reimagined Toontown coming

PiratesMansion

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They're not the nicest costumes in the world, but my goodness, it must be so hard for some of you that the world has changed, seeing the way the same people whine about how CMs dress in every other thread now.

Particularly since I can't picture the same people whining about how far standards of employee dress and look have fallen actually advocating for better CM pay and conditions for even a second.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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So why do folks keep mentioning the price of admission and what Disney charges if it’s irrelevant?

I agree that attention to details matter, to an extent. What about Toontown’s costuming is so far off from details?

As prices increase expectations also increase but I wouldn’t equate that with glamorous or luxurious, just a higher expectation.
 

Californian Elitist

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They're not the nicest costumes in the world, but my goodness, it must be so hard for some of you that the world has changed, seeing the way the same people whine about how CMs dress in every other thread now.

Particularly since I can't picture the same people whining about how far standards of employee dress and look actually advocating for better CM pay and conditions for even a second.
The last part, tho… Exactly. I didn’t want to go there in the thread, but yeah.
 

CaptinEO

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Disney sells themselves as magical and immersive, but not luxurious.

They used to be known for their customer service including the Disney look which has gone away.

The company realized they could "afford" to stop caring, so to speak. So far it hasn't had an impact on their attendance but who knows what the future holds for Disney.

Right now Disney is a brand banking off their former good customer service along with nostalgia for the Disney Renaissance era and 1970s Star Wars. When the people who grew up in the 2020s get old I wonder what would draw them to Disneyland?

If I grew up with today's Disneyland I would not have the affection or interest in it that I did growing up in the 90s/2000s.

Will people have fond memories of the Disney App, Lightning Lane, Pixar Pier, Avenger's Campus? Will these be the height of imagineering as it continues to decline?

edit: Maybe this can be its own topic
 
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Californian Elitist

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Yes, Disneyland will continue to draw in new fans and guests, just as it has been fount for the past nearly 70 years. What draws people to the parks depends on the person. I would hope that what drew someone to the park in the 90s isn’t exactly the same, because that would mean no change/evolution occurred (depending on what it was).

Avengers Campus and Pixar Pier will be considered “classic” and be nostalgic for plenty of folks. That’s how it works. New generations, new ideas, new things.
 

Disney Analyst

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Yes, Disneyland will continue to draw in new fans and guests, just as it has been fount for the past nearly 70 years. What draws people to the parks depends on the person. I would hope that what drew someone to the park in the 90s isn’t exactly the same, because that would mean no change/evolution occurred (depending on what it was).

Avengers Campus and Pixar Pier will be considered “classic” and be nostalgic for plenty of folks. That’s how it works. New generations, new ideas, new things.


A reasonable and realistic take. Thank you.
 

Consumer

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Yes, Disneyland will continue to draw in new fans and guests, just as it has been fount for the past nearly 70 years. What draws people to the parks depends on the person. I would hope that what drew someone to the park in the 90s isn’t exactly the same, because that would mean no change/evolution occurred (depending on what it was).

Avengers Campus and Pixar Pier will be considered “classic” and be nostalgic for plenty of folks. That’s how it works. New generations, new ideas, new things.
This is absolutely true. I have intense nostalgia for DCA circa 2001. I don't care if it was objectively bad, I love it and would prefer it over the current park. While we can grieve about how Avengers Campus sucks (and it does), some kid will look back on it with fondness when it's removed for the new franchise of the week.
 

TP2000

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What does it say about me? Tell me.

If it's true that's what your standards are for CM uniforms and appearance, it says you don't understand what Disneyland's long-term strategy has been for showmanship and service standards. But I find that hard to believe of you, to be honest. :)

It's not even a "Walt thing", since he was only there for the first 11 years, and these standards were fine-tuned and held in place for at least six decades. It's more of a Van France and Dick Nunis and Jack Lindquist thing.

The thing is, your expectations are pretty absurd for what employees wear at a theme park where people wait in lines to ride rides, watch corny shows, and stuff their faces with corn dogs, popcorn, and turkey legs that have probably been injected with growth hormones.

My expectations are based on what I actually experienced at the Anaheim parks for many decades of the 20th century, into the 2010's.

Disneyland is not a luxurious and glamorous place, and never has been.

It was most certainly glamorous. It still is in many spots where the CM costumes and "Show" were designed decades ago and have not yet been altered by these newly lowered standards. Disneyland Resort locations like Carthay Circle Restaurant, Haunted Mansion, Disneyland Opera House, New Orleans Square shopping/dining, Disneyland Tour Guides, etc.

There used to be quite a bit more park locations that were far more glamorous than today, but their uniforms and Show was abandoned or changed recently, like Golden Horseshoe Saloon, the Plaza Inn, Frontierland stores, Tahitian Terrace, the Tiki Room show hostesses, etc.

This isn’t the Beverly Hills on Sunset. This is a theme park land that is very colorful and zany, where Mickey and Minnie Mouse “live” with their chipmunk and duck friends.

I get what Mickey's Toontown is supposed to be. It's existed since 1993, and all major elements and facilities from 1993 are still there. What's interesting is that the big new E Ticket they just miraculously shoehorned into that little land got obviously new CM costumes that are traditionally good looking, stylish and flattering, and even quite clever with the way they morph from one location to another.

But the rest of the Toontown "land" costumes that just got rolled out? Those are crap. And they look bad on the CM's wearing them, even on opening weekend when they'll never look this fresh and fully complemented ever again. They also register to the eye as being very "contemporary", which is never a thing that ages well. They'll look dated in 5 years, and absolutely humiliating a decade from now.

Like locking in place the acid-washed denim dresses the girls who worked at Videopolis wore in the mid 1980's.
 

Californian Elitist

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This is absolutely true. I have intense nostalgia for DCA circa 2001. I don't care if it was objectively bad, I love it and would prefer it over the current park. While we can grieve about how Avengers Campus sucks (and it does), some kid will look back on it with fondness when it's removed for the new franchise of the week.
I too have strong nostalgia for 2001 DCA. I Kloe it’s hated by many, and for good reason, but I miss it and kinda wish it was still here. It’s what I grew up with.
 

TP2000

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OMG. How dare you! Do you not see the tragedy which is her shoes?

I'm demanding you hand in your card at the next meeting.

It's a little scary how well you apparently know me. I looked at her shoes for a few seconds and thought "Honey, what are those? Did they make you wear those for the photo? Or...?"

If I were to guess, they're supposed to be shoes that the stirrup ski pants can work with while still allowing her to do her job. But, still. 🤣
 

Californian Elitist

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If it's true that's what your standards are for CM uniforms and appearance, it says you don't understand what Disneyland's long-term strategy has been for showmanship and service standards. But I find that hard to believe of you, to be honest. :)

It's not even a "Walt thing", since he was only there for the first 11 years, and these standards were fine-tuned and held in place for at least six decades. It's more of a Van France and Dick Nunis and Jack Lindquist thing.



My expectations are based on what I actually experienced at the Anaheim parks for many decades of the 20th century, into the 2010's.



It was most certainly glamorous. It still is in many spots where the CM costumes and "Show" were designed decades ago and have not yet been altered by these newly lowered standards. Disneyland Resort locations like Carthay Circle Restaurant, Haunted Mansion, Disneyland Opera House, New Orleans Square shopping/dining, Disneyland Tour Guides, etc.

There used to be quite a bit more park locations that were far more glamorous than today, but their uniforms and Show was abandoned or changed recently, like Golden Horseshoe Saloon, the Plaza Inn, Frontierland stores, Tahitian Terrace, the Tiki Room show hostesses, etc.



I get what Mickey's Toontown is supposed to be. It's existed since 1993, and all major elements and facilities from 1993 are still there. What's interesting is that the big new E Ticket they just miraculously shoehorned into that little land got obviously new CM costumes that are traditionally good looking, stylish and flattering, and even quite clever with the way they morph from one location to another.

But the rest of the Toontown "land" costumes that just got rolled out? Those are crap. And they look bad on the CM's wearing them, even on opening weekend when they'll never look this fresh and fully complemented ever again. They also register to the eye as being very "contemporary", which is never a thing that ages well. They'll look dated in 5 years, and absolutely humiliating a decade from now.

Like locking in place the acid-washed denim dresses the girls who worked at Videopolis wore in the mid 1980's.
This is 2023. Things change. Best to move on. Your tastes are subjective, as you already know.

The costumes worn in the 1970s photos you posted are crap. Garbage. Hideous and just ugly.

-Person Who Doesn’t Understand What Disneyland’s Long-Term Strategy Has Been for Showmanship and Service Standards

😜🥰🥳
 

TP2000

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They're not the nicest costumes in the world, but my goodness, it must be so hard for some of you that the world has changed, seeing the way the same people whine about how CMs dress in every other thread now.

What other uniforms should be devolved into sloppy pants and an untucked shirt to reflect the reality of the 2020's?

Why do the CM's at the Main Street Opera House have to pretend it's 1905 and it's a fancy opera house? Shouldn't they just be able to wear droopy pants and an untucked XXL shirt instead of this?

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Particularly since I can't picture the same people whining about how far standards of employee dress and look have fallen actually advocating for better CM pay and conditions for even a second.

We've talked about the crummy, grimy conditions TDA provides for its Cast backstage and in support services for years. Don't make me drag out those hilarious photos of the smarmy PR Photo Shoot that Business Insider did of a TDA exec cutting the ribbon on a bleak and depressing "new" break room! :eek:

As for wages, they're currently hiring for food service jobs at the snack bars in Mickey's Toontown. You must be 18, but no high school diploma is required (basic English skills needed however). They are offering $16.45 per hour to start, with a $1,500 signing bonus (paid in two increments over first 150 days on job). If I was looking for a job after dropping out of high school at age 17, I'd jump at that offer.
 
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TP2000

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The costumes worn in the 1970s photos you posted are crap. Garbage. Hideous and just ugly.

Those were Tomorrowland costumes. Tomorrowland has always had hideous costumes for decades. I think it's some sort of rule they have.

At least those 1970's CM's in Tomorrowland didn't have to wear this getup that 1960's Flight To The Moon hostesses were punished with...

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Although, I'm actually really liking the boots.
 

Consumer

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Those were Tomorrowland costumes. Tomorrowland has always had hideous costumes for decades. I think it's some sort of rule they have.

At least those 1970's CM's in Tomorrowland didn't have to wear this getup that 1960's Flight To The Moon hostesses were punished with...

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Although, I'm actually really liking the boots.
This goes hard. I could honestly imagine the everyday woman of 2023 wearing something like this.
 

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