News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you stand on the bridge between China and Refreshment Outpost, it looks like the barge has been sitting docked between the trees. No doubt this barge would be nice to have back, but it isn't a necessary expense for them right now, at a time when budgets like that are being slashed. They have other options, other barges, and most importantly, means of doing the shows without it. I'm pretty sure this is a cost evaluation scenario. They know they can run EF with just the one cage and the Pyro pads. NYE will be fine because they also utilize the spaces behind pavilions. It isn't 100% necessary in their eyes.
 

Disone

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I never said the delay had anything to do with Disney being greedy and evil. The fire was less than two months ago. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all for it to take this long. It takes times to investigate, determine what needs to be done, plan and schedule the work, procure materials, and actually do it.

Disney didn’t work with the company impacted by the warehouse fire.

I think you’re misunderstanding who would be responsible for rebuilding this barge and what expertise they would need. The people who load Harmonious and other fireworks at WDW every night would not be doing, the people who work at warehouses storing and distributing pyro would not be doing it.
I do not think he meant you specifically we're calling Disney, greedy and evil.

It may have been even more directed at myself since I did speculate that perhaps this was a budget cut. Only because they are using one barge that could clearly launch more fireworks than it is currently doing. I'd rather have the full firepower launching off of one barge creating a slightly lopsided show, then the lopsided show that is only half the fire power they are currently offering.

Someone else speculated that this is all about how they treat their pyro techs and it perhaps if they treated their pyrotech better they would have this fixed by now. @Touchdown was likely referring to these types of posts when he said "evil and greedy".

Having said all that, you are 100% correct.

The additional holiday demand in central Florida for fireworks during December has no impact on Disney.

Disney's pyro techs, maintenance and infrastructure, and inventory are all handled in-house. They do not third party that out.

It could still be a $$$$ decision to make do with a single barge without any additional firepower added to that barge.
It could also be as you say, investigations take time. Disney still had an incident and they're going to investigate it thoroughly before they build a new barge and or repair the existing one. And finally it could also be a supply chain issue with getting the parts needed to make the repairs needed.

The actuality is probably a mix of all of the above.
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Hanging out here tonight. I think the most interesting thing is that it doesn't have the cage on it, but all the consoles look the same. Maybe repairing the consoles took longer than expected, so there was no time to restore the cage?
 
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Disone

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Hanging out here tonight. I think the most interesting thing is that it doesn't have the cage on it, but all the consoles look the same. Maybe a rush job?
I was really surprised that they did the full show. Genuinely thought one of the barges was still missing. I guess I didn't recognize it without the fence on it. The show was awesome. Even more so when you're only expecting half the firepower and you still get the full deal. I was kind of downwind of the show and you literally could not even see the barges after the final volley. The sulfur fog was that thick!
 

Starship824

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Harmonious is back to both main launch barges tonight, just in time for the NYE Countdown Tag!
Great it only took them three months. They clearly waited a long time on that using the fire as an excuse for why it took so long. They could've had the second pyro barge back within a few days, when they had a fire while testing Enchantment in 2021 HEA didn't have fireworks for one night and then the next night it was back to normal. There's no reason it took this long to get Harmonious back to the full amount of pyro.
 

jrhwdw

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Great it only took them three months. They clearly waited a long time on that using the fire as an excuse for why it took so long. They could've had the second pyro barge back within a few days, when they had a fire while testing Enchantment in 2021 HEA didn't have fireworks for one night and then the next night it was back to normal. There's no reason it took this long to get Harmonious back to the full amount of pyro.
Sorry, but I Agree!!! A little risky not returning to full hardware till NYE! The NYE Tag and EF 2023 could have been in danger if Epcot slow walked more. Not saying they did, I have no Proof of that.

In other Pyro News, When did SWO restart their Pyro? The NYE show last night and Holiday Reflections tonight are back on the Schedule.
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Things like this aren't solve-able overnight like in Magic Kingdom (where fireworks infrastructure has been heavily updated). The barge contained an intricate electrical system that communicates with Show Production Software. This infrastructure was created nearly 2.5 decades ago, meaning that finding compatible replacement pieces can be extremely hard, considering the original technology is outdated in some regards. So having to repair a torched barge while needing to restore a 24 year old piece of technology is not an easy or simple task. The lucky group on the EPCOT Pyro team are some of the most talented and incredible people in the Show Production business, and they are dealing with near constant pressure and conflict these days. They deserve a break and applause, not negativity.

Edit: I do have to add, the WW3 barges did get updates about 5 years ago, but that doesn't entirely make things easier.
 
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Disney Analyst

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Things like this aren't solve-able overnight like in Magic Kingdom (where fireworks infrastructure has been heavily updated). The barge contained an intricate electrical system that communicates with Show Production Software. This infrastructure was created nearly 2.5 decades ago, meaning that finding compatible replacement pieces is extremely hard, considering the original technology is so outdated. So having to repair a torched barge while needing to restore a 24 year old piece of technology is not an easy or simple task. The lucky group on the EPCOT Pyro team are some of the most talented and incredible people in the Show Production business, and they are dealing with near constant pressure and conflict these days. They deserve a break and applause, not negativity.

Thank you for bringing fairness and reason back to the boards.
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Jesus it's either a fire-one system or a pyro-digital... it's not that hard to get parts.
Not necessarily, but I'm going to confirm with someone in pyro directly before committing to any concrete answer on that front. I can for sure say very little on them hardware-wise is run-of-the-mill. Thats just because of how complex the original system and interface were. Remember, they still possess *some* of the special attributes needed for I:ROE, and then now the updates they added to them about 5 years ago.
 
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jrhwdw

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Let's confuse this thread even more! Looks like it's gone again?????


Hopefully not another Fire overnight.... If Harm can't keep Hardware around............
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Let's confuse this thread even more! Looks like it's gone again?????


Hopefully not another Fire overnight.... If Harm can't keep Hardware around............

100%, I don't think the repairs were fully done yet, hence why the cage wasn't back on. Hell, last night it was ROPED to the compass point, not free floating. Seems like all of the necessary infrastructure was fixed *enough* to run the show, and now it's getting the finishing repairs.
 
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jrhwdw

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Again, I don't think the repairs were fully done yet, hence why the cage wasn't back on. Hell, last night it was ROPED to the compass point, not free floating. Seems like all of the necessary infrastructure was fixed *enough* to run the show, and now it's getting the finishing repairs.
Very well could be, I know nothing about this. Good on Epcot for finding a way last night if this is taking longer than anyone planned.,
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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Very well could be, I know nothing about this. Good on Epcot for finding a way last night if this is taking longer than anyone planned.,
Yeah, I think we should all be glad we got an amazing tag. Still hurts that EPCOT 40 got nada.

Also, you're amazing for sharing a video, I would have never even thought to look tonight.
 

jrhwdw

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Yeah, I think we should all be glad we got an amazing tag. Still hurts that EPCOT 40 got nada.

Also, you're amazing for sharing a video, I would have never even thought to look tonight.
Yeah,,, I blame Harm for that and no POE the last 2 years! Of course EF didn't do POE in 2019 either.....

You're very kind about tonight! I went in thinking everything was back to normal! Guess not!


As fpr
 

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