EPCOT Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

[Sir_Cliff]

Define "relatively recent", because Tangled and Frozen were hit movies and it took years to get any sort of presence into the parks beyond a M&G. This, IMHO, has been a hallmark of the Iger "de-risk" philosophy.

Yes, maybe "relatively" should refer more to the history of the universe as it seems to have been the way more or less since the beginning of the Iger era. That is kind of weird, now that I think of it, as I remember one of the first things John Lasseter talking about when they brought him in to WDI was how he wanted a quicker turnaround for integrating new films into the parks.

I remember even the characters from Emperor's New Groove appeared in the parks and that was a film they largely tried to bury until it became surprisingly successful.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Define "relatively recent", because Tangled and Frozen were hit movies and it took years to get any sort of presence into the parks beyond a M&G. This, IMHO, has been a hallmark of the Iger "de-risk" philosophy.

I thought it was pretty impressive opening a Frozen ride 2 1/2 years after the movie came out.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I thought it was pretty impressive opening a Frozen ride 2 1/2 years after the movie came out.

Valid point, they did get something Frozen-related into the parks without it taking 5+ years. There is also the Frozen show at DHS. Going the "cheap" route and doing an overlay of an existing ride and it taking 2 1/2 years after a movie was a monster hit isn't exactly something to brag about, though. It's basically giving TDO a gold star for giving the bare minimum for effort. IMHO.

(Not directed at anyone, just to be clear) So in the past 15+ years (?), they managed to get one monster movie hit into the parks with more than a M&G in less than 3 years. And Encanto isn't on that level, not by a mile. (Anyone with a young daughter during that time can probably remember attempts to get any kind of merchandise Anna and/or Elsa related was like a quest for the Holy Grail back then, especially an Elsa dress. ) Don't give me the nonsense about some song being #1 on the Billboard Top 100 as evidence this is a "cultural phenomenon". Plenty of flash-in-the-pans hit #1 and were insignificant within a few months. This movie isn't moving the needle like Frozen did. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but... it isn't. As has been mentioned, there are plenty of other Disney animated movies that could have been used in the parks and still haven't been. Just because a particular movie is your current favorite flavor of the month doesn't mean it should jump the line. And also, once again - Not every movie "deserves" to be in the parks.

 

[SplashJacket]

Encanto isn't on that level, not by a mile. (Anyone with a young daughter during that time can probably remember attempts to get any kind of merchandise Anna and/or Elsa related was like a quest for the Holy Grail back then, especially an Elsa dress. )

Perhaps you don’t perceive it to be on that level because you don’t have a young daughter now?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Valid point, they did get something Frozen-related into the parks without it taking 5+ years. There is also the Frozen show at DHS. Going the "cheap" route and doing an overlay of an existing ride and it taking 2 1/2 years after a movie was a monster hit isn't exactly something to brag about, though. It's basically giving TDO a gold star for giving the bare minimum for effort. IMHO.

(Not directed at anyone, just to be clear) So in the past 15+ years (?), they managed to get one monster movie hit into the parks with more than a M&G in less than 3 years. And Encanto isn't on that level, not by a mile. (Anyone with a young daughter during that time can probably remember attempts to get any kind of merchandise Anna and/or Elsa related was like a quest for the Holy Grail back then, especially an Elsa dress. ) Don't give me the nonsense about some song being #1 on the Billboard Top 100 as evidence this is a "cultural phenomenon". Plenty of flash-in-the-pans hit #1 and were insignificant within a few months. This movie isn't moving the needle like Frozen did. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but... it isn't. As has been mentioned, there are plenty of other Disney animated movies that could have been used in the parks and still haven't been. Just because a particular movie is your current favorite flavor of the month doesn't mean it should jump the line. And also, once again - Not every movie "deserves" to be in the parks.

Encanto is already getting a space on the DL parade.

The last flash-in-the-pans musically was from Frozen and Aladdin... and Encanto's reign on the charts goes way beyond what they did.

In the first four and a half weeks of Encanto on D+, there has been 7 Billion minutes of it watched.

Perhaps you don't visit Tiktok or perhaps discount it's cultural influence? Still using Facebook?

 

[witandwander]

Perhaps you don’t perceive it to be on that level because you don’t have a young daughter now?

*Has been searching EVERYWHERE for a Mirabel costume for my daughter who won’t stop singing the lyrics to every song on the album.*

It’s nearly impossible to find anything in size 10, in case you’re wondering!

 

[Movielover]

Valid point, they did get something Frozen-related into the parks without it taking 5+ years. There is also the Frozen show at DHS. Going the "cheap" route and doing an overlay of an existing ride and it taking 2 1/2 years after a movie was a monster hit isn't exactly something to brag about, though. It's basically giving TDO a gold star for giving the bare minimum for effort. IMHO

Hey remember, rides are a precious commodity. They have to be careful and base them off of sure fire movie hits, like Mission to Mars and Dinosaur!








(Trigger warning, this post is sarcasm, I know those rides were made before the movies. I love both those rides and movies.. It's a joke people)

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[MisterPenguin]

Give 'me an act with lots of flash in it,
and the reaction will be passionate.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Give 'me an act with lots of flash in it,
and the reaction will be passionate.

Strip club coming to Epcot, then? I never for one minute believed they’d build a beer garden and this will get butts in seats.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Valid point, they did get something Frozen-related into the parks without it taking 5+ years. There is also the Frozen show at DHS. Going the "cheap" route and doing an overlay of an existing ride and it taking 2 1/2 years after a movie was a monster hit isn't exactly something to brag about, though. It's basically giving TDO a gold star for giving the bare minimum for effort. IMHO.

(Not directed at anyone, just to be clear) So in the past 15+ years (?), they managed to get one monster movie hit into the parks with more than a M&G in less than 3 years. And Encanto isn't on that level, not by a mile. (Anyone with a young daughter during that time can probably remember attempts to get any kind of merchandise Anna and/or Elsa related was like a quest for the Holy Grail back then, especially an Elsa dress. ) Don't give me the nonsense about some song being #1 on the Billboard Top 100 as evidence this is a "cultural phenomenon". Plenty of flash-in-the-pans hit #1 and were insignificant within a few months. This movie isn't moving the needle like Frozen did. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but... it isn't. As has been mentioned, there are plenty of other Disney animated movies that could have been used in the parks and still haven't been. Just because a particular movie is your current favorite flavor of the month doesn't mean it should jump the line. And also, once again - Not every movie "deserves" to be in the parks.

I'm sorry, is your position that Encanto is a "flash in the pan," but that Frozen wasn't? Frozen was the flashiest flash in the pan that ever flashed. Moana out-streams Frozen and Frozen II on Disney+, and Encanto is much closer to Moana in quality than Frozen (because Lin-Manuel Miranda is a genius and Jennifer Lee... isn't).

"Quality will out," as it were.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm sorry, is your position that Encanto is a "flash in the pan," but that Frozen wasn't? Frozen was the flashiest flash in the pan that ever flashed. Moana out-streams Frozen and Frozen II on Disney+, and Encanto is much closer to Moana in quality than Frozen (because Lin-Manuel Miranda is a genius and Jennifer Lee... isn't).

"Quality will out," as it were.

I don’t understand the Frozen obsession. I think Frozen II is better because there’s some plot, but there are far better Disney animated features.

 

[dreday3]

I don’t understand the Frozen obsession. I think Frozen II is better because there’s some plot, but there are far better Disney animated features.

Tangled still reigns supreme for me out of the Frozen/Moana/Tangled arena.

Love Moana, but Tangled is just gold. Comedy gold too.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Tangled still reigns supreme for me out of the Frozen/Moana/Tangled arena.

Love Moana, but Tangled is just gold. Comedy gold too.

I adore Tangled.

It got toilets?

We should be peeing in Arendelle.

A Tangled boat ride in Germany, though? Chef’s Kiss.

 

[Mac Tonight]

I adore Tangled.

It got toilets?

We should be peeing in Arendelle.

A Tangled boat ride in Germany, though? Chef’s Kiss.

Tangled really got the ty end of the parks deal.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I don’t understand the Frozen obsession. I think Frozen II is better because there’s some plot, but there are far better Disney animated features.

The colonialism thing was a tad heavy-handed for me. The whole movie felt like an apology for Pocahontas.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The colonialism thing was a tad heavy-handed for me. The whole movie felt like an apology for Pocahontas.

I can forgive a lot for that ‘80s-style power ballad.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm sorry, is your position that Encanto is a "flash in the pan," but that Frozen wasn't? Frozen was the flashiest flash in the pan that ever flashed. Moana out-streams Frozen and Frozen II on Disney+, and Encanto is much closer to Moana in quality than Frozen (because Lin-Manuel Miranda is a genius and Jennifer Lee... isn't).

"Quality will out," as it were.

Funny, Frozen is back on Nielsen's Top Ten streaming movie list.

But, yes, Moana shows up on that list more often.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Don't know if anyone has noticed yet, but they've been tinkering with the finale pyro. These are reportedly new perimeter comet shells. I myself noticed a few other things.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Now we know what came of those surveys. “I love Harmonious and Bob and mostly Bob but feel IllumiNations had better finale shells” was the #1 opinion.

Thank goodness this is any easy fix.