News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

TTA94

Well-Known Member
I know @marni1971 said there’s still quite a bit of work to be done to the barges. Since they insist on doing the work during park hours, that tells me we won’t be seeing the fountains until the barges are completed? Maybe Summer?
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
It seems like EPCOT is a reflection of the larger issue at WDW right now that's the trend toward rampant overdevelopment (ironic since it's the same trend plaguing many areas of Florida right now as well). In the past several years, WDW has been on an unprecedented building spree. A spree without much consideration, it seems, to any responsible or cohesive master plan. A dramatic departure from the first few decades of the resort's operation.

Today we have theme parks jammed to the hilt with food and merchandise kiosks, scores of trees and landscape at some of the resort's most picturesque spots plowed under forever (see the Ft. Wilderness Settlement), tranquil lakefront views decimated with scores of bungalows that 90% of visitors will never be able to afford to stay at, 15 story towers springing up at resorts that were originally deliberately laid out with low-lying buildings, highway overpasses everywhere you turn, giant show buildings destroying carefully crafted sightlines, and now a nighttime show at EPCOT with a ton of cold, ugly, post-apocalyptic hardware thrown in without any regard to the brilliant design of the park's original layout. A design where architecture and sightlines weren't just a byproduct, they were the entire point of the thing in the first place.

Whew.

Ironically, one of the only buildings coming down anywhere is Innoventions West, which further throws EPCOT off center, diluting the architectural and design intent of harmony and balance that was deliberately and carefully crafted as a metaphor for the park's theme.

Folks say they might not notice the changes, or spend much time appreciating the views. But I don't think overt appreciation was the point. Good design works in the background, informing and supporting intent without calling attention to itself. This was discussed at length in Karal Ann Marling's The Architecture of Reassurance: Building the Disney Theme Parks (both the book and the touring exhibition that inspired it). From the exhibition's introduction:

"Primarily, Walt was dissatisfied with Los Angeles and with other American cities of his era, the 1940s and 1950s. He was dissatisfied because the American city, it seemed to him, had become an utterly chaotic environment: cars rocketing here and there, unplanned suburbs, no sense of visual coherence, no sense of safety and reassurance. Walt Disney was also interested, however, in theming. Specifically, he was interested in what the American city had been in the past, the frontier West, the life of the small town as he remembered it at the turning of the century. He was interested finally, I think, in creating a place where people could feel safe and reassured.

We call this exhibition “The Architecture of Reassurance” because at every point in the design of Disney’s theme parks you feel safe, secure—you feel as though you know where you are in space."


Sadly it seems this philosophy has been all but abandoned, and in some ways also actively frowned upon. The Guardians show building, for example, almost seems deliberately designed to tower over Spaceship Earth, as an expression of power and metaphor of disdain for everything that made the park great in the first place. A deliberate insult to the design philosophy and talent of those who created EPCOT. A message from current management that they know better, that their creation, Guardians of the Galaxy, is literally way bigger, and far more important, than that "stupid golf ball" and everything it represents.

Much in the same way the size, scale and deliberate off-center location of the Harmonious barges destroys the balance and beauty of World Showcase. The message is clear: ignore the stuffy, preachy, outdated concepts of the past. Pay attention to our message. Buy what we are selling instead.

But in their haste, they took the lazy approach. To simply build the embodiment of their vision so large and intrusive that it literally cannot be ignored.

Which, at the end of the day, is the exact opposite of the very word "harmonious."

It's anything but harmonious. But it does, however, perfectly represent the odious nature of WDW's current design philosophy. Or the utter chaos of not having a coherent design philosophy at all.
fantastic post and spot on!!!
 

donaldfan

Well-Known Member
Right? Years ago WDI and Disney Creative Entertainment INVENTED technology to tell stories, now they just copy what’s out there alongside the interstate. At least Rivers of Light made a tech advance. It may have even been the victim of it (that and loosing sight that show equipment is a means for telling a clear and compelling story -Not the story itself.)
Rivers of Light seemed doomed when they put in the theatre. People were expecting “Fantasmic” ...
Nail on the head.

And to specifically tie it back to EPCOT, it's why Chapek's "more relevant, more timeless, more Disney" nonsense about the park's redo is just absurd. Disney literally conceived and built EPCOT - what could be "more Disney" than that?
Agree. EPCOT was Disney. What he should have said, was “more limited to my view of Disney which is something that is easily marketed and monetized”
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
errrrrr no.

All this equipment, like the AC compressors, obviously cannot be underwater.

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At least there is framing there for some black panels to be attached to hide all that stuff.... 😭
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Rivers of Light seemed doomed when they put in the theatre. People were expecting “Fantasmic” ...

Agree. EPCOT was Disney. What he should have said, was “more limited to my view of Disney which is something that is easily marketed and monetized”

Who cares about aspirational and inspirational when you have talking head Bob spewing about more classic, more timeless, more family-friendly, more Disney, and, most importantly, more money to be made?!?!
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No place is the wrong location. Kinetic energy is to liven up aa dead area. The lagoon in the daytime is a waste if space. Views of the pavilions aside, there’s nothing visually appealing about the lagoon.

"a waste of space" and "nothing visually appealing"? The lagoon is essentially 100% as it was intentionally built out and designed. This is not space they glossed over, passed over, or even HAD to be there. It's there FOR the visuals, the spacing, and the water management.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
No place is the wrong location. Kinetic energy is to liven up aa dead area. The lagoon in the daytime is a waste if space. Views of the pavilions aside, there’s nothing visually appealing about the lagoon.

Even ignoring absolutely everything else that's wrong about this (and there's a lot), it's appealing the same way any body of water is appealing. Do you think going to the beach is better if there's a bunch of oil rigs just off the coast to look at? Or visiting a lake is better if there's a bunch of equipment in the middle of it? They're a waste of space otherwise, right?

Bodies of water generally bring serenity. Cluttering them up with unattractive equipment destroys that.
 

HuffsAhoy

Active Member
In the Parks
No
I don’t understand. The lagoon was a motionless space, the only sound is BGM. This creates movement to the area, adds visual appeal. The water not the barges. And adds a new sound to the area thats not music.
Are you living in an alternate universe? The lagoon has all kinds of kinetic energy. The Friendships Boats and various wildlife all add energy to the area. These fountains will be so loud and distracting that music will need to be blared loud in order to hear the sounds. The beauty of the BACKGROUND music currently playing is that it adds subtle ambiance to the scene. Recall that during the pre-show to all the fireworks show saw the music gradually amp up until the show soundtrack began, it added suspense. Not everything needs to be in your face, over the top. These barges ruin the ambience of WSC and no amount bending over for Disney will change that.
 

trainplane3

Well-Known Member
I don’t understand what you mean by wrong location. There is no such thing as a wrong location to give movement to that adds visual appeal.
No place is the wrong location. Kinetic energy is to liven up aa dead area. The lagoon in the daytime is a waste if space. Views of the pavilions aside, there’s nothing visually appealing about the lagoon.
This reads a lot like a WDI pitch.
"We have an empty space so it NEEDS something there. What should we cram into it? Also make sure it's big so no one can ignore it. As Walt used to say, "go big or go home"."

God forbid we just have a space to enjoy.

A nicer alternative would've to build a Fountain of Nations replacement in the area of the Odyssey. Something permanent but designed to be nice looking. Heck, it could've interacted with the new show. Sort of like a secondary area for people to go so they could still see screens.
 
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Brenthodge

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I don’t understand what you mean by wrong location. There is no such thing as a wrong location to give movement to that adds visual appeal.
No one would be complaining about a purpose built, dynamic fountain in WSLagoon. That might actually be nice. What people are complaining about is water spouting out of overscaled show equipment, not designed to be see in the light, in a half assed attempt to mask the said oversized monsters that are spewing the water. It is laughable.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
A nicer alternative would've been a replace Fountain of Nations in the area of the Odyssey. Something permanent but designed to be nice looking. Heck, it could've interacted with the new show. Sort of like a secondary area for people to go so they could still see screens.

The Odyssey mostly is a waste of space and has been for a long time. They're at least using it for something now, although that will be relatively short-lived.

It's guest-facing and in too prominent a position to be so underutilized.
 

LorangeJuice

Active Member
Are you living in an alternate universe? The lagoon has all kinds of kinetic energy. The Friendships Boats and various wildlife all add energy to the area. These fountains will be so loud and distracting that music will need to be blared loud in order to hear the sounds. The beauty of the BACKGROUND music currently playing is that it adds subtle ambiance to the scene. Recall that during the pre-show to all the fireworks show saw the music gradually amp up until the show soundtrack began, it added suspense. Not everything needs to be in your face, over the top. These barges ruin the ambience of WSC and no amount bending over for Disney will change that.
Exactly. This is why people pay a premium on waterfront dining, waterfront property, water view hotel rooms, etc. Speaking of waterfront dining, all those venues around WS are not going to be as valuable as they used to be. Let's see how the revenue looks in the next year or so because this is hideous during the day, and fireworks seating, regardless of the quality of the new show, there's no way every dining or event venue around WS has a good view. Rose & Crown I imagine will have a big problem with that. Talk about a waste of space now...
 

GimpYancIent

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A project of this magnitude and cost had to receive a green light from somewhere in the stratosphere of the corporation. It is here, will be built and the show will happen, Ahhhhhhh but, if and when the show does not meet expectations, the return on investment is not there on who will the Sword of Damocles fall?
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
I lack the telephoto eyes of the average fan here, but I do think the lagoon is too big for the scale they built the pavilions at. This also has created such a monumental space to fill with a nighttime show. Fireworks are fine, fountains are fine, even lasers, but the idea of adding actual imagery with Illuminations showed how any massive installation still comes up short. Trying to one-up that idea led us to where we are today.
More and more I wonder why they strayed so far from this concept which in many ways improves on issues I've come to have with this cherished park:
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