News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

Mesmer92

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In the Parks
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I really think Disney can do it safely. They just need to do it limited capacity.
It isn't about doing it safely, its about perception. They could have Jesus Christ out and about patrolling crowds and they would still get dragged to hell and back
 

jrhwdw

Well-Known Member
It isn't about doing it safely, its about perception. They could have Jesus Christ out and about patrolling crowds and they would still get dragged to hell and back
I get PR, We all don't want bad PR for Disney. Although, isn't UOR up there on the PR scale as well with all the Potter success since 2010? Granted SWO has had PR problems since Dawn and Blackfish, but had recent luck with Sesame Street and Ignite before COVID?

It might not make the News but might Disney's PR as in numbers go down if USF continues CineCele and SWO repeats summer or something like it for the Holidays?
 

mattpeto

Member
It’s a service barge.

@marni1971 - Now that Universal Orlando and SeaWorld have both returned nightime spectaculars show, where do you think Disney's stance is on this?

Policing a large crowd with the lights out sounds daunting, but assuming you can properly space people before the show, you would think there might be a safe way to execute this.

My take is HEA and F! would be doable, but problematic unless they limited guests for spacing reasons. Maybe a ticketed experience/reservation could solve that problem, but I think limiting the current guests that were at MK or HS for the day would just aggravate the guests who missed their shot. Then it's sort of a ROI thing, is it worth for a smaller audience?

Epcot Forever, however, has plenty of spacing around World Showcase. This is the first nightime spectacular show I expect to return. I'd still imagine it's very complicated. Once people get to their spot, they'd have to be semi-restricted until the show has finished. Still, you could work with the current capacity limits (25%) and it would absolutely boost WS shops and restaurants and help balance the demand of the other parks.

Of course park hopping adds another wrinkle into all this...
 

mnelson3

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I don’t think it’s changed. For many reasons.

I’m guessing the release of a vaccine doesn’t trigger the nighttime show green light like some thought? I’m sure a vaccine is up there on the list, but if there’s more to it then that, what’s going to need to happen in order for any show to return?
With the Harmonious construction moving along, one would think there is some sort of a debut date in place? Or are they planning on finishing construction and letting the barges sit there?
 

danlb_2000

Well-Known Member
I’m guessing the release of a vaccine doesn’t trigger the nighttime show green light like some thought? I’m sure a vaccine is up there on the list, but if there’s more to it then that, what’s going to need to happen in order for any show to return?
With the Harmonious construction moving along, one would think there is some sort of a debut date in place? Or are they planning on finishing construction and letting the barges sit there?

The availability of a vaccine really should have any direct impact on what precautions are taken, those should be based on the infection numbers. A vaccine is just one tool to get those numbers down.
 

drew81

Well-Known Member
While not trying to be Debbie Downer, Walt Disney Entertainment has been decimated.
Leadership with 100+ combined years of experience have been pushed out the door. Shows will also need to be blocked again.

While not saying shows and spectaculars won’t return, it will take much labor, time and work will need to be put in to get them running.

And then there’s the whole “guests are paying for less than 1/2 the experience-why should we be in a hurry to reopen them”.
 

Magic Feather

Premium Member
While not trying to be Debbie Downer, Walt Disney Entertainment has been decimated.
Leadership with 100+ combined years of experience have been pushed out the door. Shows will also need to be blocked again.

While not saying shows and spectaculars won’t return, it will take much labor, time and work will need to be put in to get them running.

And then there’s the whole “guests are paying for less than 1/2 the experience-why should we be in a hurry to reopen them”.
What makes me really sad about the whole thing is how we were really close to getting some of the best shows on property back in the week following reopening before the equity dispute stopped it from happening. (Not blaming the union, they had valid points, but it's still frustrating to see the domino effect) Now, we'll be really lucky to see any of these shows back before Summer 2021.
 

Mesmer92

Member
In the Parks
No
While not trying to be Debbie Downer, Walt Disney Entertainment has been decimated.
Leadership with 100+ combined years of experience have been pushed out the door. Shows will also need to be blocked again.

While not saying shows and spectaculars won’t return, it will take much labor, time and work will need to be put in to get them running.

And then there’s the whole “guests are paying for less than 1/2 the experience-why should we be in a hurry to reopen them”.
Thanks for bringing some reality into the conversation. It's been beyond obvious there is more to this than a VaCcInE keeping stuff from moving ahead.
 
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techgeek

Well-Known Member
While not trying to be Debbie Downer, Walt Disney Entertainment has been decimated.
Leadership with 100+ combined years of experience have been pushed out the door. Shows will also need to be blocked again.

While not saying shows and spectaculars won’t return, it will take much labor, time and work will need to be put in to get them running.

And then there’s the whole “guests are paying for less than 1/2 the experience-why should we be in a hurry to reopen them”.

What makes me really sad about the whole thing is how we were really close to getting some of the best shows on property back in the week following reopening before the equity dispute stopped it from happening. (Not blaming the union, they had valid points, but it's still frustrating to see the domino effect) Now, we'll be really lucky to see any of these shows back before Summer 2021.

It's very telling that we have not yet seen some of the 'flagship' shows return (or really, ANY shows return..), even when it seems like they could now help divert some crowds from the ride queue situation.

I suspect we'll see shows like Indy, FotLK, maybe even a castle show return (in some modified fashion) before they attempt or staff for anything at night. Due to its larger labor requirements and close working quarters, F! would be among the last things I think we'll see back on the schedule.
 

gerarar

Well-Known Member
A reliable source said here already that it takes hundreds of people to run Fantamsic! every night, and currently there’s not enough people left to even run the show anytime soon. It’s gonna be a really long while before we get a show like that back to resume nightly.

HEA obviously needs less people to run it, but I would assume the same applies there.
 

jrhwdw

Well-Known Member
A reliable source said here already that it takes hundreds of people to run Fantamsic! every night, and currently there’s not enough people left to even run the show anytime soon. It’s gonna be a really long while before we get a show like that back to resume nightly.

HEA obviously needs less people to run it, but I would assume the same applies there.
Well, SWO and USF found their Pyro People. Also, USF just returned CineCele now, not summer like SWO, so before Yesterday WDW and USF was in the same boat: No Pyro since Early March.
 

Ldno

Well-Known Member
They are not understaffed, they just cut the extra people working the shifts and possible after hour events or fully manning restaurants, meets and greets. they know what it takes to run a park but still It feels like there’s a CM in every corner now.

@marni1971 - Now that Universal Orlando and SeaWorld have both returned nightime spectaculars show, where do you think Disney's stance is on this?

Policing a large crowd with the lights out sounds daunting, but assuming you can properly space people before the show, you would think there might be a safe way to execute this.

My take is HEA and F! would be doable, but problematic unless they limited guests for spacing reasons. Maybe a ticketed experience/reservation could solve that problem, but I think limiting the current guests that were at MK or HS for the day would just aggravate the guests who missed their shot. Then it's sort of a ROI thing, is it worth for a smaller audience?

Epcot Forever, however, has plenty of spacing around World Showcase. This is the first nightime spectacular show I expect to return. I'd still imagine it's very complicated. Once people get to their spot, they'd have to be semi-restricted until the show has finished. Still, you could work with the current capacity limits (25%) and it would absolutely boost WS shops and restaurants and help balance the demand of the other parks.

Of course park hopping adds another wrinkle into all this...
Thank You!!! See that’s where I’m at, I know some people don’t care about Universal or Sea World but if we noticed, Disney’s usually about a month behind and quite frankly I have been snooping about The Epcot map and Disney world app and noticed they add the France expansion and labeled the ride on the official map! I’m just naively full of hope I guess By the end of the year they will be more transparency about Harmonious and maybe get some space 220 action or something.
 

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Mesmer92

Member
In the Parks
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Well, SWO and USF found their Pyro People. Also, USF just returned CineCele now, not summer like SWO, so before Yesterday WDW and USF was in the same boat: No Pyro since Early March.
SWO uses a third party for their fireworks productions. This was the case for Ignite, but I am not sure about this summer. Personally I think you're getting too obsessed to the prospect of fireworks at Disney within the next 6 months. I think the sooner you accept its not gonna happen the less tense you'll be. I empathize, though. I am the same with my beloved concerts.
They are not understaffed, they just cut the extra people working the shifts
That's literally the definition of under staffed 🤔
 

nickys

Premium Member
They are not understaffed, they just cut the extra people working the shifts and possible after hour events or fully manning restaurants, meets and greets. they know what it takes to run a park but still It feels like there’s a CM in every corner now.

They cut most of the technical teams and behind shows, parades etc as well as many of the performers. As well as all the CMs who work “front of house” for the entertainment.

So as far as bringing back the shows and parades go, they are understaffed. They would need to re-hire in order to do so.

I think that was the point being made.
 

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