Chip Chipperson
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Even if I buy Genie+???
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Yup, and it sure *seems* like the people currently running the district have neither the inclination nor the expertise to deal with its day-to-day management.
But going through the court process, including appeals, could take just as long or longer? Plus the ultimate outcome at court is always uncertain.
I assume they’re also trying to find a solution behind the scenes, IF anyone at state level is open to having reasonable discussions.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well from appearances…the state “won” for now
They drug Disney through the dirt…they took away their district…they installed shills in its place.
Ultimately it will probably reverse. But in the end that’s where it sits
It will take just as long, but you can make direct referrals to the I.G. from within the app.
Since a compromise requires passing new legislation, it will be exceedingly difficult to create one.
It would require the governor is on board to sign it into law. Alternatively, it would require a veto override majority in the legislature.
Next, it would require a majority in the legislature to start with. Not just 51% either, but 51% that are willing to vote together, which is often much harder to arrive at. Even harder if it needs to be override sized.
Without those things, the current law wouldn't be changed and it's not really a compromise then.
(A court win for Disney eliminates needing any of those obviously, and isn't really a compromise either.)
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Yeah…I think the possibility of an “in state” solution ended the minute the panhandler reps starting passing laws (reading/writing optional)…
If it was driven as a “modification” where they both could claim “progress”…it could have been done.
But it was only politics to allow for personal fundraising/promotion. That’s all this ever was and how it will go down in the books.
And predictably…less than one year later it all looks pointless and folly.
They could have done something else in the “sane” worlds. The state legislature could have rewritten the statute and Disney could have given some ground. But that would have to been driven by the legislators in the I-4 corridor and that can’t happen…because they have been labeled “the enemy” based on the voting booth and polarization.
This really sucks. But I don’t see how it wouldn’t have happened even without Bob hiding and the board inexcusably letting Slaphead hang around?
It’s a stunt against the most ripe of targets.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The governor’s power is largely derived from his willingness to use his line item veto powers on the state budget. Legislators who get out of line have desired funding cut.
Also, as I have said repeatedly, compromise required mutual concessions. Disney being the only party to make concessions is not a compromise. It may be something Disney is willing to accept but it’s not a compromise and we need to stop both-sides of situations by mislabeling concessions, particularly as a result of aggression, as being more righteous and mature.
mikejs78
Well-Known Member
The only possible compromise I could see would be for the board to agree to readopt the development agreement and restricted covenants in exchange for dropping lawsuits. Not sure Disney would go for that at this point, but that's something that could happen without the involvement of the legislature.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The legislature passed a law specifically designed to assist the District in getting out of the agreements. They could try again.
Would you accept anything they agreed to at face value and in good faith?
It's not like there's some legal or societal framework creating the rules and environment this agreement would live within. They quite literally changed the laws creating new laws to change the deal.
It is extremely difficult to come to agreement with people that do not bargain in good faith and who are willing and able to change the rules that govern any agreement. It's just them saying "trust me" when there's no reason to trust them.
I would imagine Disney executives have seen the movie where the agreement changes and may change further.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think the “compromise” ship long ago sailed
Every action in this charade was designed to benefit off “not compromising”
Can’t give in and then thump your chest while you ask for money at the same time
Every action in this charade was designed to benefit off “not compromising”
Can’t give in and then thump your chest while you ask for money at the same time
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Chi84
Premium Member
No settlement (if one is possible) will depend on trust. The consequences for breach will be clearly set out.
That was my point though. If the consequence is enforced through provisions of FL law, one side has been shown they're willing to change FL law to eliminate the ability to enforce that consequence.
They would require an enforcement mechanism that cannot be undone by changes to FL law.
Even if there was a compromise possible (I don't think there is), I don't think there is a way to actually implement it.
mikejs78
Well-Known Member
Nope, I wouldn't. I don't think Disney should. I'm just saying I think that would potentially be the only avenue of compromise that wouldn't require an act of the legislature.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You’re absolutely right, and they won’t be passing legislation to fix this anytime soon, but Disney people/lobbyists must be making efforts to at least discuss a solution, because it’s currently their best option in a world of bad options. Changing up some board members and getting an agreement on the Development Plan might be a reasonable compromise, but I guess we wouldn’t be having this discussion if we were dealing with a reasonable world
Disney obviously has to continue the all-out fight in court in the meantime, because a political solution may not be available. But the lawyers know that the ultimate court result is never guaranteed. I have no expertise in this area and I haven’t been able to find good legal analysis from someone who does. Yes, many have said this is a blatant case of retaliation for speech and a clear 1st amendment violation, but that much is absurdly obvious. The unknown, I think, is what remedy can/would the court order? To be clear, I firmly believe that the only *fair* result would be to reverse everything back to where it was before all this chaos, but a win in court doesn’t necessarily get you fair. And people will disagree about what fair even looks like, especially after a few years of who-knows-what have changed the landscape.
If anyone’s found any good sources for deeper legal analysis of all this, please send them my way. Most of the reporting doesn’t even accurately describe the current situation. (Which is why I rudely jumped into the ongoing discussion here. Sorry about that. I was just so glad to find some people who understand what’s going on
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flyakite
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NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on September 13th, 2023 at 5.05 p.m., or as soon thereafter as practicable, the Board of Supervisors of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will meet in regular session at 1900 Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Lake Buena Vista, Florida. At that time, the Board of Supervisors will consider and hold public hearings on the adoption of Resolution #648 Adoption of Tentative Millage Rate for FY2024 and Resolution #649 Adoption of Tentative Budget for FY2024 and such other business as may properly come before them. Interested parties may appear at the public meeting and hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Rocky Haag, Clerk
Central Florida Tourism Oversight
NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the City Council of the City of Bay Lake will meet in regular session on Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:05 p.m., 1900 Hotel Plaza Blvd, Lake Buena Vista, Florida 32830. At that time in addition to other business on the agenda, the Council will conduct a reading and public hearing on and consider for adoption Resolution No. 204-Establishing a Tentative Millage Rate for FY 24 and Resolution No. 205-Establishing/Adopting a Tentative Budget for FY 24. Interested parties may appear at the public hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Erin O’Donnell, City Clerk
NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the City Council of the City of Lake Buena Vista will meet in regular session on Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:35 p.m., 1900 Hotel Plaza Blvd, Lake Buena Vista, Florida 32830. At that time in addition to other business on the agenda, the Council will conduct a reading and public hearing on and consider for adoption Resolution No. 186-Establishing a Tentative Millage Rate for FY 24 and Resolution No. 187-Establishing/Adopting a Tentative Budget for FY 24. Interested parties may appear at the public hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Erin O’Donnell, City Clerk
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on September 13th, 2023 at 5.05 p.m., or as soon thereafter as practicable, the Board of Supervisors of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will meet in regular session at 1900 Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Lake Buena Vista, Florida. At that time, the Board of Supervisors will consider and hold public hearings on the adoption of Resolution #648 Adoption of Tentative Millage Rate for FY2024 and Resolution #649 Adoption of Tentative Budget for FY2024 and such other business as may properly come before them. Interested parties may appear at the public meeting and hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Rocky Haag, Clerk
Central Florida Tourism Oversight
NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the City Council of the City of Bay Lake will meet in regular session on Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:05 p.m., 1900 Hotel Plaza Blvd, Lake Buena Vista, Florida 32830. At that time in addition to other business on the agenda, the Council will conduct a reading and public hearing on and consider for adoption Resolution No. 204-Establishing a Tentative Millage Rate for FY 24 and Resolution No. 205-Establishing/Adopting a Tentative Budget for FY 24. Interested parties may appear at the public hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Erin O’Donnell, City Clerk
NOTICE OF MEETING
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the City Council of the City of Lake Buena Vista will meet in regular session on Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:35 p.m., 1900 Hotel Plaza Blvd, Lake Buena Vista, Florida 32830. At that time in addition to other business on the agenda, the Council will conduct a reading and public hearing on and consider for adoption Resolution No. 186-Establishing a Tentative Millage Rate for FY 24 and Resolution No. 187-Establishing/Adopting a Tentative Budget for FY 24. Interested parties may appear at the public hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions.
BY: Erin O’Donnell, City Clerk
maxairmike
Well-Known Member
Hmmmm…three quick meetings for FY24 millage rates. I can’t remember, had they previously claimed they would be decreasing the millage (other than trying to push the cities to lower theirs, which they declined to do)? This certainly smells like sneaking in an increase to me.
Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
That's the beauty of only highlighting the millage rate. With property values increasing based on the County's assessment, the District can reduce the millage rate despite increasing the actual tax levy. People not paying close attention see the headlines and think, "They cut taxes," when the reality is that they increased taxes and used semantics to make it seem like a cut. It's a tactic that is all-too-common among local governments all over the country simply because it works so well.
“We’re cutting taxes” is just another farce to confuse the average person into ruining Disney was somehow ripping off the Florida taxpayers when in reality it has nothing to do with the general public