News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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ElvisMickey said:
Oh boy. Some of us appreciate that he didn’t shut our state down during COVID. Which Disney should appreciate as well since they were only making bank out of Florida, as opposed to California…
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Disney did appreciate it. They used the parks being open in FL as a way to try and lean on CA to allow DL to open, and to some extent the CDC with cruises. That doesn’t mean they can’t disagree with other actions the state has taken.

I love my parents for the stable home and loving upbringing they gave me. It doesn’t mean they had carte blanche to use my identity in their time of financial hardship. Nor does it mean they were past forgiveness, much the way Iger hinted that Disney still has strong business affiliations with FL current climate aside.
 
Stripes

Stripes

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lentesta said:
My guess is that it's Disney's strategy to get the state to sue.

If I understand correctly, the federal courts can't get involved when a citizen sues a state, under the 11th Amendment (cite)

Buf if the state sues, it's the plantiff and the state waives its right to immunity under the 11th Amendment.

So if the state sues, Disney can move the suits to the federal level. The federal courts would likely look at all of this much, much differently.
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Not quite. Disney entered the contract with RCID under their subsidiary Walt Disney Parks and Resorts U.S., Inc. which is based in Lake Buena Vista. The 11th Amendment only limits federal jurisdiction over cases brought against a state by residents of other states and citizens of foreign states.

Disney can still bring a lawsuit against the state in federal court which would be critical in the event that Florida passed a law attempting to void Disney’s contracts with RCID, as DeSantis is suggesting, which would be in violation of the contracts clause and potentially the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution.
 
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lazyboy97o

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lentesta said:
My guess is that it's Disney's strategy to get the state to sue.

If I understand correctly, the federal courts can't get involved when a citizen sues a state, under the 11th Amendment (cite)

Buf if the state sues, it's the plantiff and the state waives its right to immunity under the 11th Amendment.

So if the state sues, Disney can move the suits to the federal level. The federal courts would likely look at all of this much, much differently.
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Florida is currently enjoined from enforcing the Stop WOKE Act by a federal court. The Eleventh Amendment does not allow states to violate federal law, which includes the US constitution. That’s why a First Amendment case was really the only federal avenue previously available. That lawsuit by three citizens over dissolution was tossed from federal court because it was only about state matters, there was no federal law involved.
 
Disney Glimpses

Disney Glimpses

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preludevtec01 said:
Some of you folks are drinking way too much Disney Kool-Aid.
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I spend more time criticizing Disney than I do defending it. I think most people here can say that. And regardless of your views on HB 1557, it does not excuse the blatant abuse of power that is being put on display by Governor Ron DeSantis. It's a dangerous precedent that should anger every American.
 
GoofGoof

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asianway said:
There has been ongoing controversy in Florida for years regarding taxability of the components of bundled hotel packages state rate vs TAT vs non taxable. This would not only affect Disney but other travel “shell” companies in Florida. This is what he’s speaking of.
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What does this mean? Can you give us more details? It sounds like you are saying this is something that was being looked at already that would impact Disney as well as others as opposed to something specifically designed to punish Disney where others impacted would just be collateral damage.
 
mikejs78

mikejs78

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Elections are not as black and white as most people think.

Riviera Rita said:
Remember 2016?
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It's important to remember - Trump didn't win a majority of even the GOP votes. 55% of the GOP primary voters voted against him (and he wouldn't have even gotten that high had the others conceded the race) but because of the fact that there were 3 other candidates in the race for a long time, it split the vote and Trump was the recipient of that.

Brian said:
A couple things here:
  • No, Disney does not have the "right" to control its own local government. The privilege of doing so was conferred back in the 60s by the legislature. I don't have a "right" to start my own special district without the approval of the legislature and sign-off by the governor.
  • Disney will indeed likely win this fight in the end, as there were multiple legal and even constitutional lines crossed by the state by messing with RCID when they did. The case is further strengthened by the statements they made at the time, and even continue to make to this day.
  • The voters have absolutely no obligation to "accept" Disney controlling their own government. The government serves at the pleasure of the constituency. Suggesting that the voters must accept the will of a private corporation simply by virtue of their size and economic influence flies in the face of American principles.

    Voters had an opportunity to make their voices heard mere months after the RCID dissolution legislation passed, and if they found the actions of DeSantis and the legislature distasteful, they could have elected new leadership. Instead, they reelected DeSantis by a nearly 20% margin, and elected even more Republicans to the legislature.

    Now, this is certainly not to say that each and every person who went out to vote for DeSantis or a Republican for their state representative or senator agreed with the RCID dissolution (take me for example), but if they found it as abhorrent as most people on this site, there certainly would have been a different outcome in that election.
...and to preempt those who like to take my words out of context: yes, retaliating against Disney for speaking out against the education legislation also flew in the face of American principles.
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RCID wasn't much in the news leading up to the election. I have a hard time believing that anywhere close to a majority based their vote on that.

DeSantis' popularity in FL is overstated. His poll numbers jumped way up after the hurricane, which is a common political effect (rally behind a leader based on response to a tragedy). DeSantis would have won regardless, as he had earned some goodwill and Crist was an awful candidate, but the margin of victory would have been a lot smaller had the hurricane not occured two weeks before the election.
 
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Cliff

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Brian said:
A couple things here:
  • No, Disney does not have the "right" to control its own local government. The privilege of doing so was conferred back in the 60s by the legislature. I don't have a "right" to start my own special district without the approval of the legislature and sign-off by the governor.
  • Disney will indeed likely win this fight in the end, as there were multiple legal and even constitutional lines crossed by the state by messing with RCID when they did. The case is further strengthened by the statements they made at the time, and even continue to make to this day.
  • The voters have absolutely no obligation to "accept" Disney controlling their own government. The government serves at the pleasure of the constituency. Suggesting that the voters must accept the will of a private corporation simply by virtue of their size and economic influence flies in the face of American principles.

    Voters had an opportunity to make their voices heard mere months after the RCID dissolution legislation passed, and if they found the actions of DeSantis and the legislature distasteful, they could have elected new leadership. Instead, they reelected DeSantis by a nearly 20% margin, and elected even more Republicans to the legislature.

    Now, this is certainly not to say that each and every person who went out to vote for DeSantis or a Republican for their state representative or senator agreed with the RCID dissolution (take me for example), but if they found it as abhorrent as most people on this site, there certainly would have been a different outcome in that election.
...and to preempt those who like to take my words out of context: yes, retaliating against Disney for speaking out against the education legislation also flew in the face of American principles.
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Im beginning to believe that the Walt Disney Corporation has grown so large and influential that they have become?....well?..."politically un-stopable". They will find a way, by hook or by crook to navigate their will on everybody. Can the citizens or the state of Florida stand in their way? No,...I dont think so. Can the Florida Supreme Court stop them? No...Disney will navigate through them too. Can the Federal Supreme Court stop Disney? I dont think so either...not a chance.

Disney as a corporation has literally become too large, too smart, too influential and too big and powerfull to fail. Disney is literaly a bull that nobody can ride....and they 100% KNOW this. They are completely fearless...for good reason.

The state of Florida is doing a criminal invietigation??. Hilarious!!!...everybody on this board KNOWS that investigators will not find ANYthing. Disney will scrub everything and make 100% sure that everything leads to a dead end.

We all know this. The state is just dreaming. We have reached a time in human history where massice corporations can be just as powerfull as any state or even the Federal government itself.
 
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Disstevefan1

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Cliff said:
Im beginning to believe that the Walt Disney Corporation has grown so large and influential that they have become?....well?..."politically un-stopable". They will find a way, by hook or by crook to navigate their will on everybody. Can the citizens or the state of Florida stand in their way? No,...I dont think so. Can the Florida Supreme Court stop them? No...Disney will navigate through them too. Can the Federal Supreme Court stop Disney? I dont think so either...not a chance.

Disney as a corporation has literally become too large, too smart, too influential and too big and powerfull to fail. Disney is literaly a bull that nobody can ride....and they 100% KNOW this. They are completely fearless...for good reason.

The state of Florida is doing a criminal invietigation??. Hilarious!!!...everybody on this board KNOWS that investigators will not find ANYthing. Disney will scrub everything and make 100% sure that everything leads to a dead end.

We all know this. The state is just dreaming.
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Powerful Corporations control the world, this is a known fact.
 

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