mikejs78
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How would a county be forced to take ownership of something?
If the district were completely dissolved without a replacement, wouldn't all of the district's assets be turned over to the counties by default?
How would a county be forced to take ownership of something?
Yes, the current dissolution legislation does intend for the District’s assets to go to the counties because the District does pre-date the municipalities.If the district were completely dissolved without a replacement, wouldn't all of the district's assets be turned over to the counties by default?
Why would they be forced? Are they forced to take ownership of the road being built for Universal? Companies have lobbyists and as very significant parts of the local economy they will ask for and get a lot of what they need. In all reality the roads and infrastructure are necessary for economic development which greatly benefits the area so they probably should.How would a county be forced to take ownership of something?
Which interchange? Are we talking about roads that are part of RCID?The interchanges that lead into WDW were not paid for by RCID. In fact the main overpass which mostly sits in Osceola county ended up being paid for by Orange.
People keep talking about how the county would have had to pay for all of the roads at Walt Disney World. Private developments build, own and maintain their own rides. There’s nothing that requires roads to be built and maintained by a local government.Why would they be forced? Are they forced to take ownership of the road being built for Universal? Companies have lobbyists and as very significant parts of the local economy they will ask for and get a lot of what they need. In all reality the roads and infrastructure are necessary for economic development which greatly benefits the area so they probably should.
It was the I-4/Osceola interchange, and I think it happened about 10 years ago. When originally built in the mid 1990s it didn't have the full set of ramps because it's too close to the Epcot interchange. What they got Orange to pay for was the study to convince FDOT to rebuild the interchange, complete with flyovers to mitigate the weaving that would occur.Which interchange? Are we talking about roads that are part of RCID?
Are those roads owned by Disney or RCID though? If the roads are RCID property and RCID is dissolved, I'd assume the ROWs would become unincorporated parts of the county and *not* revert to Disney property.People keep talking about how the county would have had to pay for all of the roads at Walt Disney World. Private developments build, own and maintain their own rides. There’s nothing that requires roads to be built and maintained by a local government.
If there was no District or municipalities, the county would have no obligation to build or maintain World Dr which existed fully within Disney owned property. Disney could build World Dr and try to transfer ownership to the county, but why would the county have to accept that transfer of ownership?
The Kirkman Road extension is a little different in that it already existed on county plans but it also crosses and interfaces with different owners. Universal, also wanting it, offered to provide much of the land without an eminent domain fight, financing and actually getting it built. I’m not able to easily find the maintenance agreement but there wouldn’t be a need for such an agreement if the county was assuming full responsibility.
I’m not talking about dissolution. I’m talking about if the District and municipalities never existed in the first place.Are those roads owned by Disney or RCID though? If the roads are RCID property and RCID is dissolved, I'd assume the ROWs would become unincorporated parts of the county and revert to Disney property.
The interchange on I-4 leading into 192. Its not part of RCIDWhich interchange? Are we talking about roads that are part of RCID?
I don't think anyone suggested the county would need to deal with roads in a scenario where RCID never existed.People keep talking about how the county would have had to pay for all of the roads at Walt Disney World. Private developments build, own and maintain their own rides. There’s nothing that requires roads to be built and maintained by a local government.
That‘s kinda my point. That interchange isn’t part of RCID and obviously directly benefits Disney but TWDC didn’t pay for it out of pocket. The local government paid for it using taxpayer dollars and I’m sure at the urging of Disney. We don’t know what would have happened in the past without RCID or what will happen in the future if it’s gone, but IMHO the local taxpayers would be footing more of the bill for roads (both construction and maintenance) without RCID. I thought that was a pretty obvious statement but apparently others disagree and think Disney would have just paid for every road themselves out of pocket and would pay to maintain them too. It’s an academic debate and we will never know the answer.It was the I-4/Osceola interchange, and I think it happened about 10 years ago. When originally built in the mid 1990s it didn't have the full set of ramps because it's too close to the Epcot interchange. What they got Orange to pay for was the study to convince FDOT to rebuild the interchange, complete with flyovers to mitigate the weaving that would occur.
They didn't go to Osceola County for funding presumably because they were still upset at Disney for convincing them to build it in the first place. The road beyond Disney really only exists to provide alternate access to the FL Turnpike towards Miami from Disney property. This is because FDOT and what is now CFX wouldn't agree to build an interchange between 417 and the Turnpike. The anticipated toll revenue for Osceola Parkway never appeared.
The interchange is still horrible, between there and Champions Gate it backs up badly every day, multiple times and there is no real alternate routes to get over west to US 17.That‘s kinda my point. That interchange isn’t part of RCID and obviously directly benefits Disney but TWDC didn’t pay for it out of pocket. The local government paid for it using taxpayer dollars and I’m sure at the urging of Disney. We don’t know what would have happened in the past without RCID or what will happen in the future if it’s gone, but IMHO the local taxpayers would be footing more of the bill for roads (both construction and maintenance) without RCID. I thought that was a pretty obvious statement but apparently others disagree and think Disney would have just paid for every road themselves out of pocket and would pay to maintain them too. It’s an academic debate and we will never know the answer.
Is that gone? I used to get so excited when I would see it as a kid on our way to MKWho bought the Mickey power pole?
Still there, maybe should have said "who paid"Is that gone? I used to get so excited when I would see it as a kid on our way to MK
Ran across this article in a different thread, and couldn't help but notice the irony that Uni is building a new entry road to their EPIC expansion which is priced at $300M, with Uni contributing at least $174. Where's the balance of that $ coming from? Taxpayer funds??? And yet there's no outrage at that...
Documents reveal name Universal plans to give Epic Universe road
The new park is expected to open by summer 2025.www.mynews13.com
From the article: "As for the Kirkman Road extension, the project is expected to help with traffic in that part of the tourist corridor. When finished, it will add a 1.7-mile connector between Carrier Drive and Universal Boulevard. The project has an estimated cost of $300 million, with Universal providing at least $164 million for the road work. It’s expected to be completed in 2024."
Well of course. People forget that Disneyland exists without RCID. Of course Disney paid for all that I-5 work in the late 1990sThat‘s kinda my point. That interchange isn’t part of RCID and obviously directly benefits Disney but TWDC didn’t pay for it out of pocket. The local government paid for it using taxpayer dollars and I’m sure at the urging of Disney. We don’t know what would have happened in the past without RCID or what will happen in the future if it’s gone, but IMHO the local taxpayers would be footing more of the bill for roads (both construction and maintenance) without RCID. I thought that was a pretty obvious statement but apparently others disagree and think Disney would have just paid for every road themselves out of pocket and would pay to maintain them too. It’s an academic debate and we will never know the answer.
Because the 500 acres of Disneyland has the same type of road, water, sewer, electric, transit, fire, ems issues when compared to the 27,000 acres of Disney World?Well of course. People forget that Disneyland exists without RCID.
And everyone gets a nice hefty tax overlay district with the Anaheim Resort District with it's fatty hotel taxes!Well of course. People forget that Disneyland exists without RCID. Of course Disney paid for all that I-5 work in the late 1990s
I think mostly everyone here would agree with this. WDW is pretty much one of a kind in terms of scale which creates a unique situation. That is why any comparisons to “other businesses” in FL is naive at best and in most cases based on an agenda that has very little to do with fairness or a level playing field.Because the 500 acres of Disneyland has the same type of road, water, sewer, electric, transit, fire, ems issues when compared to the 27,000 acres of Disney World?
There's no obvious difference between the two that creates differences in how those problems might be solved and managed?
Is there anther similar attraction in the US that cover more than 25,000 acres? How about 20,000, 10,000, or even over 5,000?
Not like a park where it's mostly open space. But, some other attraction that has a similar size of building infrastructure even if not the same number of visitors, but say at least 50% of the same number of visitors. Before someone suggests the Grand Canyon or some private hunting club on 50,000 acres of woods with 10,000 visitors a year.
It's not that you couldn't have WDW without RCID. It's that having it has created better ways to evolve it than not having it would have, at the scale of WDW.
Different interchange. It's also being rebuilt.The interchange is still horrible, between there and Champions Gate it backs up badly every day, multiple times and there is no real alternate routes to get over west to US 17.
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