News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

GimpYancIent

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Why lie when the post is still right there for all to see?
No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
 

lazyboy97o

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
You’re complaining about it being two sentences too long? Which parts are overly abrasive? And no, what happened does not have to be accepted by anyone as the final word on what happened. What has happened absolutely can be changed otherwise a whole bunch of laws now considered unjust would still be enforced.
 

LittleBuford

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
The statement was from the Disney Company, not Chapek personally. None of us know how directly he shaped the wording.

Could you specify what you consider to be a threat in the statement?
 

Disstevefan1

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
I think it was the flip flop BC did that was a problem. BC mistakenly initially wanted to focus on the business instead of more important work of inclusion. Then he corrected himself and made it clear that the company was going to use its power to change the law.

If BI was in charge, he would have made it clear from the start he was against the law and made it clear that the company was going to use its power to change the law with no flip flop.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
You really don't get it. People need to learn from the great speakers instead of opening mouth and inserting foot. How something is presented is very often more important than what is presented.
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I fail to understand how this applies to my post in any way. Even if Chapek completely botched the delivery of his statements how is that an attack against the state? I assume you just wanted to post this meme and picked my post which is fine. I wasn’t talking about whether Chapek was smart or elegant or charismatic as a speaker and I never suggested he did a good job getting his point across. I specifically said I thought the delivery was botched from the start. That still doesn’t make what he said an attack against the state.
 

celluloid

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I don’t think you have an agenda. That wasn’t directed at you and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with us disagreeing on this topic. There are many things we agree on, doesn’t have to 100%. We can agree to disagree on how much of a conclusion can be drawn by a few films over a very limited period. You are assuming the only reason Disney animated features under performed was this conflict with DeSantis but I think it’s hard to place all of the blame on that. I don’t disagree they didn‘t have their best year, but other Disney movies did fine. If it’s a boycott that’s causing the decline are people really splitting hairs and only boycotting animated films? That to me seems like a stretch. We will see as time goes on.

Oh don't get.me wrong. I don't think it was the conflict with Desantis that caused the animated films to severely underperform. I think it is reasons of similar political ideologies to the one that happens to be with Desantis too.

I appreciate and enjoy the respectful conversation.
 

GoofGoof

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Oh don't get.me wrong. I don't think it was the conflict with Desantis that caused the animated films to severely underperform. I think it is reasons of similar political ideologies to the one that happens to be with Desantis too.

I appreciate and enjoy the respectful conversation.
I go with the simpler explanation that they were just average films, but it’s too soon to know either way.
 

celluloid

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I go with the simpler explanation that they were just average films, but it’s too soon to know either way.
I have never seen such an average Disney film do so poorly. Like Mars Needs Moms poorly with Strange World. Them being meh films did not help.


And as good as Minions: Rise of Gru was, it was not exactly Citizen Kane. So there are direct comparisons.
 

UNCgolf

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I have never seen such an average Disney film do so poorly. Like Mars Needs Moms poorly with Strange World. Them being meh films did not help.


And as good as Minions: Rise of Gru was, it was not exactly Citizen Kane. So there are direct comparisons.

I haven't seen Strange World, but I think part of the problem with it was that it had almost no marketing. I'd never even heard of it until a week before it was released when I finally saw one ad somewhere, and I never saw another.

Lightyear seemed to have more marketing.
 

celluloid

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I haven't seen Strange World, but I think part of the problem with it was that it had almost no marketing. I'd never even heard of it until a week before it was released when I finally saw one ad somewhere, and I never saw another.

Lightyear seemed to have more marketing.
It was teased and marketed early on. After political concerns and the character traits and content within the movie came.to.limeligjt it suddenly ceased completely.

Same issue though, why would a company suddenly stop marketing a movie that was their big Thanksgiving and Christmas time release?

The marketing argument never makes sense. It's an apologist take. People take kids to movies Thanksgiving and Christmas time and look to what they can go see.

"M3GAN", a PG13 AI slasher flick was not marketed with a budget like Strange World and more than doubled it's domestic performance alone so far.
 
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mikejs78

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Going off memory here, but it is community development districts that require unanimous approval. Without checking, the state run districts may be able to happen without that level of approval. I’m doubtful even something like the North Broward Health District would have ever achieved that high bar.

The difference between Reedy Creek though and something like Broward Health District is the ability to raise revenue via ad valorem taxes. I believe it was @GoofGoof who did the research and found that there are no state controlled districts with the power to raise revenue via ad valorem taxes, which is where landowner or voter approval might be required.

So - the question is, does the state have that power?
 

GoofGoof

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The difference between Reedy Creek though and something like Broward Health District is the ability to raise revenue via ad valorem taxes. I believe it was @GoofGoof who did the research and found that there are no state controlled districts with the power to raise revenue via ad valorem taxes, which is where landowner or voter approval might be required.

So - the question is, does the state have that power?
Yeah. Out of all of the special districts in FL currently where the Governor appoints the board and they also have taxing authority all that I checked have clauses which require the board to be selected from land owners of the district. In those cases landowners can apply to be board members and then the best qualified is appointed. Probably done to avoid the costs and time needed to run elections. If the Governor‘s talking points become the “actual plan” it will be the first time a special district with taxing authority also has Government appointed board members from outside the district.
 

drnilescrane

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Strange worlds was abnormally bad… like no one knew what this even was. Calling it out in this example is not apologist. It legitimately was abnormal
Because the movie tested poorly. (I also thought it was bad, but that’s beside the point)

Do you spend another $100m throwing good after bad, or do you throw in the towel and take the write down?

Especially when this is peak Chapek/McCarthy and they’ll let the Studios segment take the loss to give cheap content to D+
 

GoofGoof

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Strange worlds was abnormally bad… like no one knew what this even was. Calling it out in this example is not apologist. It legitimately was abnormal
Because the movie tested poorly. (I also thought it was bad, but that’s beside the point)

Do you spend another $100m throwing good after bad, or do you throw in the towel and take the write down?

Especially when this is peak Chapek/McCarthy and they’ll let the Studios segment take the loss to give cheap content to D+
Yeah, this is my take on it too. They were not great movies and they didn’t market them very heavily. Lightyear did get some more marketing but not a full court press. So if someone wants to make the argument that the reason they tested poorly and ultimately received little marketing help was because of a political boycott then maybe that’s more plausible but impossible to quantify too.
 

drnilescrane

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Yeah, this is my take on it too. They were not great movies and they didn’t market them very heavily. Lightyear did get some more marketing but not a full court press. So if someone wants to make the argument that the reason they tested poorly and ultimately received little marketing help was because of a political boycott then maybe that’s more plausible but impossible to quantify too.
I know it’s easy to make everything politics these days, but it’s not like Disney’s never been boycotted in the past by some fringe group upset at them.

I think the truth is a bit more nuanced - that Disney’s brand has been damaged severely over the last three years and people generally are less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The company is seen as self serving and untrustworthy by a broad cross section of the population.
 

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