News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[LAKid53]

I just reread the concurring opinions of Justices Roberts and Scalia - neither differed in opinion with Kennedy's majority opinion. Rather, Roberts wrote to say why Stare Decisis did not apply, and Scalia wrote to counter the arguments of the dissent. Thomas and Alito joined with the majority opinion without comment. It's likely that at least those three would consider corporations as people and side with Disney here. So you would then need two of Kavanaugh and Barrett to go along, to say nothing of the three progressive judges who may also go along because of the principle of precident.

The 5-4 decision in Citizens overturned precedent in Austin v Michigan (1990) and McConnell v FEC (2003).

The only remaining justice on the Court who dissented from the majority is Justice Sotomayor. Interesting to consider how she would rule in this instance, given her dessent in 2010.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Orange County, payment via property taxes, provides garbage collection. Currently, RCID provides that service for WDW.

I live in Horizons West (Disney Winter Garden), about 200 yards from the western edge of Reedy Creek. I pay Orange County directly for water and waste, as I'm not in the Orlando city limits. I imagine other cities/towns outside of the City proper have the same arrangement with the County for certain services. My power is provided by Duke Electric.

Other cities like Winter Garden offers their own services such as garbage collection, water, police, etc. Electricity is the only service that Orlando offers directly that neither the county nor neighboring cities offer. You pay the county because you don’t live in a city. Horizon West is located in unincorporated Orange County.

 

[LAKid53]

Other cities like Winter Garden offers their own services such as garbage collection, water, police, etc. Electricity is the only service that Orlando offers directly that neither the county nor neighboring cities offer. You pay the county because you don’t live in a city. Horizon West is located in unincorporated Orange County.

According to the USPS, I live in Winter Garden.

 

[lazyboy97o]

According to the USPS, I live in Winter Garden.

USPS does not define nor follow legal boundaries. No part of Atlanta extends into Cobb County, but there are Atlanta mailing addresses in Cobb County. Orlando’s city limits are all west of FL 417 but UCF and even Bithlo further east have Orlando mailing addresses.

The county website even notes that Horizon West is unincorporated.

Horizon West Special Planning Area

www.orangecountyfl.net

You can see the legal boundaries of the various cities on Orange County’s website.

Interactive Mapping

www.orangecountyfl.net

 

[culturenthrills]

This is going to end up in the courts. I can’t imagine Disney will agree to having a RCID board made up of the Governors political cronies. This has been Desantis’s mo. He has been filling different boards, college, medical, etc to do his bidding. Disney has many different ways they can go after the state in the courts.

 

[LAKid53]

USPS does not define nor follow legal boundaries. No part of Atlanta extends into Cobb County, but there are Atlanta mailing addresses in Cobb County. Orlando’s city limits are all west of FL 417 but UCF and even Bithlo further east have Orlando mailing addresses.

The county website even notes that Horizon West is unincorporated.

Horizon West Special Planning Area

www.orangecountyfl.net

You can see the legal boundaries of the various cities on Orange County’s website.

Interactive Mapping

www.orangecountyfl.net

Someone needs to inform my HOA because it thinks it's in Winter Garden.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Someone needs to inform my HOA because it thinks it's in Winter Garden.

Are they trying to enforce city ordinances? Having an address or using a place name is not controlled. SeaWorld Orlando isn’t in Orlando but that’s their mailing address and they use it in their name. Some people even have a mailing address city that is not a legal municipality like Christmas or Celebration.

 

[UNCgolf]

No part of Atlanta extends into Cobb County, but there are Atlanta mailing addresses in Cobb County.

I am one of these people.

 

[S2iAM]

Will there be fireworks!? Sorry---im a little confused by the pic w this article...

 

[mmascari]

Having an address or using a place name is not controlled.

When I moved from the North East to further south, this was a large adjustment. All the places I grew up, and pretty much all of the North East I was exposed to, there wasn't really any unincorporated county only land. The county governments were always very weak things with very little power. Pretty much every town, city, village, or whatever were boarder to boarder with nothing in between.

Where I live now, it's the reverse. It's almost all unincorporated county only land and the county government has the most power. With some town and cities within them, but mostly it's just "names people use" completely uncontrolled. The USPS is just as bad. It'll use the same name for area inside and outside of an actual defined City. Enough that the city government always notes "within city boundary" on stuff. Including people lobbying the USPS to use different or multiple names for the same places. Sometimes, the HOA name is the name people use. It was quite the change from the North East.

Using the FL example above, there's a Huey Magoos with a Winter Garden USPS address. But, it's nowhere near the Winter Garden boundary map. On their website, they list it as "Winter Garden (Horizon West)". Looking at the Horizon West boundary map, it's barely in that too. Or, the Concrete factory even further South that still has a Winter Garden address.

Basically, addresses are weird and tell us both less and more than we tend to think they do.

 

[lazyboy97o]

When I moved from the North East to further south, this was a large adjustment. All the places I grew up, and pretty much all of the North East I was exposed to, there wasn't really any unincorporated county only land. The county governments were always very weak things with very little power. Pretty much every town, city, village, or whatever were boarder to boarder with nothing in between.

Where I live now, it's the reverse. It's almost all unincorporated county only land and the county government has the most power. With some town and cities within them, but mostly it's just "names people use" completely uncontrolled. The USPS is just as bad. It'll use the same name for area inside and outside of an actual defined City. Enough that the city government always notes "within city boundary" on stuff. Including people lobbying the USPS to use different or multiple names for the same places. Sometimes, the HOA name is the name people use. It was quite the change from the North East.

Using the FL example above, there's a Huey Magoos with a Winter Garden USPS address. But, it's nowhere near the Winter Garden boundary map. On their website, they list it as "Winter Garden (Horizon West)". Looking at the Horizon West boundary map, it's barely in that too. Or, the Concrete factory even further South that still has a Winter Garden address.

Basically, addresses are weird and tell us both less and more than we tend to think they do.

I know someone who for awhile had the situation where his address was Town A but to get the downtown of Town A he had to drive through Town B. His nearest post office was the Town A Annex which just made it all weirder.

I would actually be interested to know how the process works. Christmas and Celebration have never been municipalities but they have mailing addresses. How did Disney get the Post Office to agree to using Celebration as a place name? Was it just building a post office? Similarly how did they get the post office to contain the use of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista? Why is the Gaylord’s mailing address Kissimmee which is actually miles away and not Lake Buena Vista which is right across the highway? Why aren’t parts of Horizon West labeled Bay Lake?

 

[Coaster Lover]

1. The only way they’ll ever close is if it’s underwater or they run it into the ground (stay tuned on both)

Disney's 2120 marketing campaign: Come visit our SIX amazing Orlando area water parks! (yes, this joke not only relies on the theory that FL could be underwater in 100 years, but also implies that in 100 years WDW still would still not have built a 5th park).

 

[GoofGoof]

I know someone who for awhile had the situation where his address was Town A but to get the downtown of Town A he had to drive through Town B. His nearest post office was the Town A Annex which just made it all weirder.

I would actually be interested to know how the process works. Christmas and Celebration have never been municipalities but they have mailing addresses. How did Disney get the Post Office to agree to using Celebration as a place name? Was it just building a post office? Similarly how did they get the post office to contain the use of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista? Why is the Gaylord’s mailing address Kissimmee which is actually miles away and not Lake Buena Vista which is right across the highway? Why aren’t parts of Horizon West labeled Bay Lake?

I think it goes by post office name. We have townships within a county and there are mailing addresses in my township which have postal addresses in the neighboring township but they are served by the post office named after the other township. I think using the name of the post office as the mailing address gives you a better shot of actually getting the mail. I assume the postal service ultimately decides which post office serves each home or business and they aren’t always coordinated with local property records.

 

[flynnibus]

would actually be interested to know how the process works. Christmas and Celebration have never been municipalities but they have mailing addresses. How did Disney get the Post Office to agree to using Celebration as a place name? Was it just building a post office?

Simply put… usps names are not specifically coupled to municipalities. Usps has a list of the ‘preferred’ city name for a zipcode, and a list of ‘acceptable’ city names.

The two things are related, but not defined explicitly by the other.

‘Vanity’ names for acceptable city names are very common. I don’t know what it takes to lobby the usps to add a name, but it doesn’t seem difficult.

 

[mmascari]

I think it goes by post office name. We have townships within a county and there are mailing addresses in my township which have postal addresses in the neighboring township but they are served by the post office named after the other township.

You're in the North East though. After moving south of that, I found that all rules are off. It feels mostly senseless to me.

There is an "address town" used near us that covers so much ground, my kids like to say it's everywhere. Serviced by lots and lots different post offices. What is even worse, there's a city with the same name. Hence, that city in announcements is always adding "within city limits". I think there are more addresses that use that the name not within the limits than within.

 

[Ghost93]

Legally this is a pretty blatant First Amendment violation. However, I can't say how the courts will rule. I often feel activist judges — on both sides of the political spectrum — make a decision beforehand and then work backward to justify it legally.

 

[orangebirdgirl]

I asked this on another thread - wouldn't this mean the taxpayers in Orange County would have to foot the bill for all the services that Disney currently pays the cost for? Water, fire protection, etc. ...

Yeesh.

No! Disney gets tax breaks to cover that and those tax breaks ho away and go to govt to cover them, just as every other business pay taxes for that same purpose!

 

[mikejs78]

No! Disney gets tax breaks to cover that and those tax breaks ho away and go to govt to cover them, just as every other business pay taxes for that same purpose!

That's... Not true. Disney pays more in taxes than the average company because they pay taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, state taxes, and taxes to reedy Creek.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe.

For example, in his majority opinion Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy specifically wrote:

If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech.​

Since Disney was not "fined" or "jailed", does Citizen's United apply?

Citizen's United was in response to campaign finance reform. The State of Florida did nothing to limit Disney's campaign spending.

IMO, the governor intended to "chill" (a word found in Citizen's United and other Supreme Court rulings) Disney's free speech. This is why, IMO, it's a First Amendment violation.

However, I am less sure that the current justices think the same way about what the State of Florida did to Disney.

You admit that you are not a fan of Citizen's United. Many others feel the same way. At least some are serving on the U.S. Supreme Court.

…top 5 worst thing ever

Not quite dred Scott…but in the 400 level seats

 

[maxairmike]

No! Disney gets tax breaks to cover that and those tax breaks ho away and go to govt to cover them, just as every other business pay taxes for that same purpose!

Would love to know how you arrived at this conclusion and what informed it.