News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It was introduced, supported and passed near unanimously by governors and legislatures controlled by BOTH parties…

And why wouldn’t it be? This has been nothing but beneficial Florida

It’s stupid to suggest otherwise
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It’s a creation of the legislature. The public - as it existed at the time in those counties - never had a ballot initiative.

Set aside the merits of whether it was “good” for Florida then and now. I’m not sure why something created by the legislature cannot be likewise undone by the legislature.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
It’s a creation of the legislature. The public - as it existed at the time in those counties - never had a ballot initiative.

Set aside the merits of whether it was “good” for Florida then and now. I’m not sure why something created by the legislature cannot be likewise undone by the legislature.
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This is the US…we don’t rule by referenda,

And besides…if the public (not bright) could be shown the data and Economic history from RCID and actually comprehend it - which they can’t - they’d vote for it too…
 
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Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
This is the US…we don’t rule by referenda,

And besides…if the public (not bright) could be shown the data and Economic history from RCID and actually comprehend it - which they can’t - they’d vote for it too…
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I was responding to the question as to whether “the public” had a chance to vote on it. The same “public” that voted for its creation (the legislature) voted for its dissolution. It’s a pretty basic concept in the law that something created via legislation can later be undone by legislation.
 
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mikejs78

mikejs78

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
It’s a creation of the legislature. The public - as it existed at the time in those counties - never had a ballot initiative.

Set aside the merits of whether it was “good” for Florida then and now. I’m not sure why something created by the legislature cannot be likewise undone by the legislature.
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The landowners within Reedy Creek did vote as well as the legislature. Additionally, current FL law says that a special district can only be dissolved with approval of its residents. That might be able to be worked around, but it's still there in FL law.

Finally - the issue isn't necessarily that Reedy Creek can be dissolved, but of what to replace.it with. Reverting to the counties would result in a huge cost to the counties. The counter proposal is a new district controlled by the state, but it's probably not constitutional to create a special district with unelected board members with taxing authority. Current board members are elected by the landowners of Reedy Creek. Taxation without representation is part of the FL constitution.

There's also the 1A considerations, that the dissolution was essentially done to quell political speech, which makes it an unconstitutional act even if it's technically legal outside of those considerations.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
It’s a pretty basic concept in the law that something created via legislation can later be undone by legislation.
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It's also a pretty basic concept that you can't look at just one piece of a puzzle and ignore the rest.

This trope argument of 'the state give-ith, the state can take-ith' is a simpleton view that pushes people to ignore the actuals of a situation and try to make it into some unilateral choice that can't be challenged. Well, it's not that simple. The creation of this 'something' in turn lead to other elements that are harder to unwind. Additionally, the legislation DID NOT ACT w/o the landowners in the creation of RCID - a fatal oversight in to the 'giveth, taketh' hand waving.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
It’s a creation of the legislature. The public - as it existed at the time in those counties - never had a ballot initiative.

Set aside the merits of whether it was “good” for Florida then and now. I’m not sure why something created by the legislature cannot be likewise undone by the legislature.
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These types of districts require the approval of the landowners. Community development districts require unanimous approval. Neighboring residents don’t get a vote then or now. There was time for dissent. There was a State Supreme Court decision. This has nothing to do with residents not getting a say.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
It’s a creation of the legislature. The public - as it existed at the time in those counties - never had a ballot initiative.

Set aside the merits of whether it was “good” for Florida then and now. I’m not sure why something created by the legislature cannot be likewise undone by the legislature.
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Because you're making up your own version of history instead of following the actual sequence.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
I was responding to the question as to whether “the public” had a chance to vote on it. The same “public” that voted for its creation (the legislature) voted for its dissolution. It’s a pretty basic concept in the law that something created via legislation can later be undone by legislation.
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Correct…but then you went off the tracks with the “people” stuff

We don’t really do that here…for better or worse.

The mob may find “inconvenient” common sense if we did…or obvious disaster
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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flynnibus said:
Because you're making up your own version of history instead of following the actual sequence.
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How? The legislature passed FL House Bill 486, which was signed into law on May 12, 1967. I’ve seen no record of a public ballot or vote in favor of this move beyond this legislative act, before or after its enactment.

Please show me a public ballot initiative whereby the citizens of those counties or what would become the RCID voted in favor of its creation.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
How? The legislature passed FL House Bill 486, which was signed into law on May 12, 1967. I’ve seen no record of a public ballot or vote in favor of this move beyond this legislative act, before or after its enactment.

Please show me a public ballot initiative whereby the citizens of those counties or what would become the RCID voted in favor of its creation.
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…again. Our system is not built around public refernendum. It’s called a “representative” form of government.

Certainly not then.

I don’t disagree with direct vote. But we gotta put more funding into civics education - it appears?
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
How? The legislature passed FL House Bill 486, which was signed into law on May 12, 1967. I’ve seen no record of a public ballot or vote in favor of this move beyond this legislative act, before or after its enactment.

Please show me a public ballot initiative whereby the citizens of those counties or what would become the RCID voted in favor of its creation.
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Take an evening.. sit back in your lounger, and start here - https://a.co/d/fdoBqw5

This bill and the cities beyond did not appear out of thin air from the legislature.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
…again. Our system is not built around public refernendum. It’s called a “representative” form of government.

Certainly not then.

I don’t disagree with direct vote. But we gotta put more funding into civics education - it appears?
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I never said it was built around public referendum. I agree with you. That’s why I was responding to the OP who was asking if the public had a vote on this.
 

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