News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Chi84]

The Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade was most definitely not the court saying no to abortion. If someone can’t understand that, what makes anyone think there’s room for intelligent discussion?

 

[MandaM]

If you can’t understand that overturning Roe v. Wade was the Supreme Court saying No to abortion, then we won’t be able to come an agreement. The Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade and California countered with many new laws (in opposition) of the Supreme Court’s decision. This is my point. No matter if it’s the Sipreme Court that sides with Disney, Florida (as did California) will make new laws in opposition of any federal decision.

Abortion is actually a really good example of how your claim is totally wrong. Texas has been completely controlled by Republicans for about 2 decades now, and in that entire time they’ve wanted to make abortion illegal. And yet, they didn’t. Why? Because a federal court ruling - Roe v Wade - prevented them from doing so. No red state outlawed abortion until a different federal court ruling allowed them to do so, even though they didn’t want it to be legal.

If states can and do just ignore federal court rulings as you claim, then why didn’t red states outlaw abortion years and years ago? They didn’t because they had to follow the federal court ruling - just like FL will have to abide by the decision in the lawsuit. It’s literally how our country works.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Abortion is actually a really good example of how your claim is totally wrong. Texas has been completely controlled by Republicans for about 2 decades now, and in that entire time they’ve wanted to make abortion illegal. And yet, the didn’t. Why? Because a federal court ruling - Roe v Wade - prevented them from doing so. No red state outlawed abortion until a different federal court ruling allowed them to do so, even though they didn’t want it to be legal.

If states can and do just ignore federal court rulings as you claim, then why didn’t red states outlaw abortion years and years ago? They didn’t because they had to follow the federal court ruling - just like FL will have to abide by the decision in the lawsuit. It’s literally how our country works.

 

[Stripes]

A number of Florida Republicans including the state’s Chief Financial Officer have basically said this fight is not a good look for Florida, they hope a deal is ironed out, and/or the political will for continuing this fight has waned.

Of course, DeSantis views this as a must-win but I think many members of his party are far less enthused.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

A number of Florida Republicans including the state’s Chief Financial Officer have basically said this fight is not a good look for Florida,

“Disney should be working around the clock to go and make amends with Ron DeSantis. You don't want to pick a fight with this guy.”

Not discrediting the basis that there are other republicans, FL officials included who feel that this fight is bad. But above is what Floridas CFO said. Doesn’t really sound like it’s “not a good look for Florida”. It’s not a good look for daddy DeSantis

 

[Stripes]

“Disney should be working around the clock to go and make amends with Ron DeSantis. You don't want to pick a fight with this guy.”

Not discrediting the basis that there are other republicans, FL officials included who feel that this fight is bad. But above is what Floridas CFO said. Doesn’t really sound like it’s “not a good look for Florida”. It’s not a good look for daddy DeSantis

He gave another interview where, while he was still defending the governor, he wrapped saying: “I think the saber-rattling needs to go away and the men need to sit down and iron this out.”

 

[MagicHappens1971]

He gave another interview where, while he was still defending the governor, he wrapped saying: “I think the saber-rattling needs to go away and the men need to sit down and iron this out.”

Good to know. I looked for a secondary one and couldn’t find it. Thanks

 

[RamblinWreck]

He gave another interview where, while he was still defending the governor, he wrapped saying: “I think the saber-rattling needs to go away and the men need to sit down and iron this out.”

The problem is that DeSantis had the chance for that and blew it, and now it can’t be done. It’s too late.

 

[mkt]

Florida will enact laws to circumvent whatever decisions are made.

And they’ll continue to be sued, and at some point DeSantis will be charged in contempt of court and jailed.

 

[mkt]

Why is someone a troll who doesn’t agree with you?

There’s no agreeing or disagreeing on facts. Facts are indisputable. Facts just are.

It’s 74 degrees with 86% humidity where I’m at. You can disagree on whether or not it’s a pleasant temperature, but you can’t disagree on the fact that it’s 74 degrees with 86% humidity at this moment.

Maybe you're not a troll, and you just believe that your opinions are as valid as indisputable facts.

 

[harry58]

What is so hard to believe that they would do this? They just did it to Reedy Creeks final move to extend their power. Do you seriously think DeSantis will just go along with any Federal orders? He and the 100% republican statehouse will just circumvent the feds with new laws.

This case is a test of our system of government. I don't believe that if The state loses this, they can come back and pass a law in a direct violation of the first amendment. And if Disney wins, that is what it would be. Now if a court decides that this is not a constitutional issue, that is different. Violating a "law" is different. But if they do decide it violates the federal constitution, and Florida is able to pass laws in violation, then our constitution means nothing.

 

[JD80]

Last 5 pages were a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ok…I’m gonna stop right here…

But it does loosely correlate to the original law and the Disney fight and why it’s really not gonna play longterm in Florida as a whole…

In this polling- and I have zero idea how they complied it - jax actually has the highest percentage in the state. But that probably has to do with the boundaries?

Anyway you slice it…Florida is an odd “battlefield” to try to be regressive…even with its age…
And that’s why this has been dr Strangelove since the start.

Ok…sorry to the mods for the scrub in advance. I’m out on this.

Florida Cities Tops In Nation For LGBT Population Density

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

Last 5 pages were a waste of bandwidth.

What’s up next? Cost of the dining plan?

 

[Lilofan]

Fair enough. I looked at a few sources and some said Walmart and some said Publix so I went with Walmart. But the my original point remains that Disney is not Florida's largest employer.



Compared to Florida's $117B budget, then Disney represents .8% of Florida's revenue according to that metric. My point is that I think some folks overvalue what Disney means to the state of Florida financially overall.




100% true. The Orlando area would be nothing today without Disney. But a lot has happened in the last 50 years. Orlando has grown by leaps and bounds. Other players have come into the market more than eager to scoop up Disney's market share. The area has become more than just Disney World. I'll bet Disney's recent rhetoric about not investing in the Florida property has Universal chomping at the bit saying "Please don't. We'll love to have your guests here as we open more and more stuff." Again, my point here is that I think some people are overconfident in Disney's grip of central Florida market share.

Orlando without Disney is Central FL without acceptable food with the droves of snowbirds , visitors and full time residents living with the locals. Wawa and White Castle would have never opened their first location in FL in Orlando if not for the growth and demand potential. Even the FL governor came for the grand opening by the location next to Sea World on Central FL Parkway.

 

[GoofGoof]

This case is a test of our system of government. I don't believe that if The state loses this, they can come back and pass a law in a direct violation of the first amendment. And if Disney wins, that is what it would be. Now if a court decides that this is not a constitutional issue, that is different. Violating a "law" is different. But if they do decide it violates the federal constitution, and Florida is able to pass laws in violation, then our constitution means nothing.

In this case how can they do that anyway? If the courts rule in favor of Disney the current clown board is gone and RCID is back. The Governor can’t just ignore that. Disney doesn’t need to follow anything these fools say. Could the state pass new laws targeted at Disney? Sure and those can be taken to court as well. Eventually the public will sour on a Governor doing nothing for the people of his state. What do the citizens of FL get out of that behavior? Nothing. DeSantis loyalists desperate to win a facebook argument may support it, but I don’t believe the average Floridian wants anything to do with that. Just because someone voted for him doesn’t mean they blindly support anything he does. I know that’s the case for the core, base supporters but that’s a small group compared to everyone in the state.

 

[LAKid53]

Compared to Florida's $117B budget, then Disney represents .8% of Florida's revenue according to that metric. My point is that I think some folks overvalue what Disney means to the state of Florida financially overall.

Disney means a lot to the state's GDP beyond the taxes it directly pays to both the counties and the state. It's certainly the driving force behind the economic growth of Central Florida. It is responsible for nearly half of the tourism in the state. A $72.5 billion economic and 400K jobs impact isn't something to dismiss.

 

[GoofGoof]

Orlando without Disney is Central FL without acceptable food with the droves of snowbirds , visitors and full time residents living with the locals. Wawa and White Castle would have never opened their first location in FL in Orlando if not for the growth and demand potential. Even the FL governor came for the grand opening by the location next to Sea World on Central FL Parkway.

It’s really silly that anyone can try to argue that Disney is not a major part of the FL economy. Tourism is the #1 industry, Disney is the #1 player. It’s pretty basic.

 

[tissandtully]

It’s really silly that anyone can try to argue that Disney is not a major part of the FL economy. Tourism is the #1 industry, Disney is the #1 player. It’s pretty basic.

You mean people don’t come here to visit Publix and Walmart??

 

[GoofGoof]

100% true. The Orlando area would be nothing today without Disney. But a lot has happened in the last 50 years. Orlando has grown by leaps and bounds. Other players have come into the market more than eager to scoop up Disney's market share. The area has become more than just Disney World. I'll bet Disney's recent rhetoric about not investing in the Florida property has Universal chomping at the bit saying "Please don't. We'll love to have your guests here as we open more and more stuff." Again, my point here is that I think some people are overconfident in Disney's grip of central Florida market share.

Disney is not going anywhere, however, if they did Universal would be one of the most deeply hurt businesses. I can tell you with 100% certainty that Universal recognizes that Disney drives a large portion of their business. Universal doesn’t make super profits off of local AP holders. They make those super profits off of tourists and Disney is the catalyst for bringing those people to the area.