-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
- Thread starter castlecake2.0
- Start date
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You get about 3 weeks to respond to a summons in both Florida and federal, so that's how long we should be waiting for the next documents.
I'm sure @mkt has posted these, but according to below site, the summons for Disney's federal case were returned as exectued on May 1 and the defendants are due to respond by May 22.
WALT DISNEY PARKS AND RESORTS US INC v. DESANTIS, 4:23-cv-00163 - CourtListener.com
Docket for WALT DISNEY PARKS AND RESORTS US INC v. DESANTIS, 4:23-cv-00163 — Brought to you by Free Law Project, a non-profit dedicated to creating high quality open legal information.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s a ploy for money in their 15 minutes…
As a recurring reminder.
Let’s see what the real power in Los Estados unidos wants to do in the courts?
Fear not, for the night is darkest before the dawn
Last edited by a moderator:
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
Seems like a HUGE stretch of their authority to dictate to a landowner how to manage their property.
From what I've seen, Disney and RCID have built and maintained some of the best roads, waterways and infrastructure in the state, next to maybe some of the high-priced exclusive beach communities in Miami and West Palm.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Not really a stretch. That’s pretty much what land use and zoning regulation do. You can’t just build a factory on your property if it’s zoned for commercial or residential use. There are places where you can only use certain materials and windows can only be a certain percentage of the building elevation (facade). What makes this different is the level of dishonesty about what and why.
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
I wonder if Disney is building a civil suit against Desantis for defamation. Seems they might have enough evidence for that one as well.
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
Sure, I think that's understood, and I think RCID did a pretty decent job at that previously in their land use plans and overall maintenance of the property. But, the implication in their statements seemed to indicate they were intent on doing much more than just setting up and enforcing zoning regulations. By my reading, it seems to indicate they want to actually force Disney's hand or do it themselves to make changes on existing infrastructure throughout the property.
Last edited:
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
I don’t think so. Defamation is a rather specific high bar. It’s also just not a good look when arguing for free speech.
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
Fair, and at this point, why would they want to stop him from saying anything that might help their case.
TheCoasterNerd
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
“When Disney first came out against the bill [H.B. 1557]," DeSantis said, "people in the legislature started floating this idea of going after Reedy Creek."
That's literally just government retaliation.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Alternate realities are their specialty.
To think Urban Planning wasn't even a thing in 1967 is right up there with flat earth thinking
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
I'm going to comment on this again, because it really bugs me.
First of all, it shows a lack of understanding of what the WDW property is and how it has served the community and (central) Florida.
The property is not and was not ever intended to be an "urban" community. It's a VACATION RESORT community, much like you would find in other tourist areas throughout the world. I would dare them to find a property as large WDW that has grown in the way it has over 50 years and maintained a very controlled and well-planned infrastructure and community. You don't have to look too far to find many other areas around central Florida that have grown wildly and not very controlled due to their lack of proper oversight and planning. Disney/RCID can make a very good argument here in that because they have managed the property themselves largely, they have managed it better than the surrounding local and state controlled governments.
So, even if "urban planning" wasn't a profession in 1967, they still somehow managed to build a world class property that has grown to support more than 50 million visitors a year from around the world and bring billions of dollars worth of revenue to the state, at no cost to Florida taxpayers.
First of all, it shows a lack of understanding of what the WDW property is and how it has served the community and (central) Florida.
The property is not and was not ever intended to be an "urban" community. It's a VACATION RESORT community, much like you would find in other tourist areas throughout the world. I would dare them to find a property as large WDW that has grown in the way it has over 50 years and maintained a very controlled and well-planned infrastructure and community. You don't have to look too far to find many other areas around central Florida that have grown wildly and not very controlled due to their lack of proper oversight and planning. Disney/RCID can make a very good argument here in that because they have managed the property themselves largely, they have managed it better than the surrounding local and state controlled governments.
So, even if "urban planning" wasn't a profession in 1967, they still somehow managed to build a world class property that has grown to support more than 50 million visitors a year from around the world and bring billions of dollars worth of revenue to the state, at no cost to Florida taxpayers.
Vacationeer
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
What is the end goal- to make WDW more prosperous to the state of Florida?
How are ANY of the things being done and planned supposed to accomplish that? I see zero.
How are ANY of the things being done and planned supposed to accomplish that? I see zero.
To make DeSantis look like a warrior in the culture war , which should help him with a segment of the population in the primary, and might get him to be the republican nominee and maybe even POTUS.
This ends when DeSantis passes the buck to his successor, and his successor realizes how bad Florida was left after 8 years of DeSantis, and then chooses to not proceed with the suits, and Disney wins by default.
Last edited by a moderator:
JAB
Well-Known Member
I think that's the thing that's really going to undo their case. Even if they hadn't openly admitted that they were retaliating against Disney, it's still clearly demonstrated by the fact that they can't show or explain how their actions are meant to benefit the state.
Because you're trying to read it as a good faith goal and related to what the district is actually responsible for. That is the incorrect frame of reference. Nothing will make sense in that context, since it is all being backed into to create some type of justification not because it is an actual goal. It's all made up to justify doing things not because it supports doing those things.
That's not the goal, that's why.
They've been very clear about the goal, might as well listen. The CFTOD Board and the Governor of FL want all Disney content, all Disney public positions, in everything Disney should stop being inclusive of marginalized groups.
Everything being done by the CFTOD Board is in support of trying to force that change on Disney. Obviously, the CFTOD Board doesn't actually have any power or say in the content Disney produces. All of the things they are doing is to get leverage to create a trade off where they get that control through some other adversarial action.
In that context, all the actions of the CFTOD Board make sense.
Everytime Chairman Garcia talks, he shows how big a fool he is and how little he actually knows. Even the Florida Legislature knows how bad the Department of Agriculture was in inspecting rides and passed a new law. However Garcia complemented the Department for the great job they had done in the state. Yes, that incompetance directly lead to the death of a 15 year old and forced the new legislation. Garcia now has to admit he was wrong about how good the Department was or say the legislation is wrong. In either case he is a total fool and must go. I like many others here pay his salary with our property taxes. This is not political since he is not elected by the property owners. His speaking at every CFTOD meeting proves how ignorant he is. One last thing, the Govenors fear that if he had just abolished RCID that the counties would have created it by themselves just is another example and proof that this is designed to harm Disney. The two counties and their residents are the ones who should have a say in over seeing RCID not someone 250 miles away. Again this is not political and as a former supporter of DeSantis i owe everyone an apology for my ignorant belief that he was the better choice. I can't support anyone who is against the BILL OF RIGHTS.