News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[LAKid53]

No, what would’ve been better would’ve been to
A) NEVER SPOKEN publicly about dissolving RCID because of Disney’s stance and
B) People on his staff telling him that he was in violation of 1A…
As to B, maybe staff did and he overrode them…I tend to think he’s got a group of “yes” men and women who were looking to follow his coattails to DC…

Well, given that their jobs depend upon his largesse, do you blame them?

 

[Angeni11]

I have what is probably a stupid question but when Chapek made his statement wasn't he addressing Disney staff not the state of Florida?

 

[LAKid53]

I have what is probably a stupid question but when Chapek made his statement wasn't he addressing Disney staff not the state of Florida?

Yes

 

[flynnibus]

I do not see anywhere that RCID was designed to regulate them.
Just like any other municipal government, it was designed to serve the residents and landholders of the District.

But you can also argue there maybe a reason to reassess since the whole situation is very different almost 60yrs later.

Disney playing the ‘from my cold dead hands’ position is not a good look for someone trying to push “good neighbor and we’ve worked with all interests in mind”.

There are some black marks from their past… it’s not all roses.

Welcoming a modern refresh that still meets their current objectives can strengthen their position with the public and the state in general.

 

[flynnibus]

Many past legislators..since the 80's have proposed that RCID should not exist the way it did. Yes!...driven by many Democrats too!

Show us the actions taken

 

[mikejs78]

But you can also argue there maybe a reason to reassess since the whole situation is very different almost 60yrs later.

Disney playing the ‘from my cold dead hands’ position is not a good look for someone trying to push “good neighbor and we’ve worked with all interests in mind”.

There are some black marks from their past… it’s not all roses.

Welcoming a modern refresh that still meets their current objectives can strengthen their position with the public and the state in general.

Sure. But not under these circumstances.

 

[flynnibus]

Correct me if I am wrong but was EPCOT publicly known about when Reedy Creek was put into effect? I don’t think so, though I could be wrong

Yes - the epcot film was used when courting state officials.

The rcid act took some time before it was passed - long after disney’s intention in Florida was public

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Well, given that their jobs depend upon his largesse, do you blame them?

No, of course not, they know where their bread is buttered, but I just wonder if the conversation even came up or were/are they so blinded, they didn’t know any better…

 

[harry58]

But you can also argue there maybe a reason to reassess since the whole situation is very different almost 60yrs later.

Disney playing the ‘from my cold dead hands’ position is not a good look for someone trying to push “good neighbor and we’ve worked with all interests in mind”.

There are some black marks from their past… it’s not all roses.

Welcoming a modern refresh that still meets their current objectives can strengthen their position with the public and the state in general.

I agree, but I think this needs to be adjudicated first. The state should not be able to be running like this, with punishment as a goal. After it was adjudicated, if I were Disney, I would offer to form a board to create that "modern refresh". Just not at the point of a punishment from the Gov.

 

[RamblinWreck]

But you can also argue there maybe a reason to reassess since the whole situation is very different almost 60yrs later.

Disney playing the ‘from my cold dead hands’ position is not a good look for someone trying to push “good neighbor and we’ve worked with all interests in mind”.

There are some black marks from their past… it’s not all roses.

Welcoming a modern refresh that still meets their current objectives can strengthen their position with the public and the state in general.

If that option becomes available to them at some point, they’d likely take it.

It seems apparent that they in fact tried to work with the government on this but they were not ever responded to.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I honestly don’t know what he’s trying to do. I think the conflict helped him some in the beginning so he keeps doubling down, but it’s hurting him now even with the base. He’s tanking in the polls now so is looking a little unhinged. I think it’s dangerous for Disney because he may blame his humiliation in this conflict for derailing his campaign and ruining his career. That may make for an uncomfortable last few years of his term.

I’m amazed the legislature is still playing along, I hate that politicians ride coattails but I can understand the logic behind it, there doesn’t seem to be any coattails left at this point though, his numbers have cratered, he’s being abandoned by mega donors… makes me wonder why the legislature is still playing along.

 

[Cliff]

Show us the actions taken

It was always just talk and complaining. Neither party had the gutts to actually take action. This one did and so did the Florida Legislators. Quite amazing that they actually had courage to go against the mouse.

Honestly, if I were a legislator, even if I thought that doing this was right...I would probably too affraid of the company & fan retrubution.

 

[mikejs78]

It was always just talk and complaining. Neither party had the gutts to actually take action. This one did and so did the Florida Legislators. Quite amazing that they actually had courage to go against the mouse.

Honestly, if I were a legislator, even if I thought that doing this was right...I would probably too affraid of the company & fan retrubution.

But it's not right. Doing something to suppress speech is never right.

 

[Lilofan]

I’m amazed the legislature is still playing along, I hate that politicians ride coattails but I can understand the logic behind it, there doesn’t seem to be any coattails left at this point though, his numbers have cratered, he’s being abandoned by mega donors… makes me wonder why the legislature is still playing along.

I'm at a loss too. Perhaps some are fearful of the vengeful happy DeSantis and doesn't want to his wrath to reign down on who speak out against him?

 

[mightynine]

It was always just talk and complaining. Neither party had the gutts to actually take action. This one did and so did the Florida Legislators. Quite amazing that they actually had courage to go against the mouse.

Yes, I too always consider steps toward the government stifling of free speech as “courage”.

 

[Cliff]

I'm at a loss too. Perhaps some are fearful of the vengeful happy DeSantis and doesn't want to his wrath to reign down on who speak out against him?

Is it possible that the majority of Legislators are not supporting this because they "pressured" into it...but because the sincerely AGREE with this district change?

We act like DeSantis forced these people to do it. I suspect this is not the case and they "wanted" to do this. Its easy to blame DeSantis as a sole "king"...but the legislators seemed to be on board with the concept.

It was easy....if a company doesnt donate to a party...you lose the "loyalty" you once paid for.

 

[Cliff]

Yes, I too always consider steps toward the government stifling of free speech as “courage”.

I 100% believe in the freedom of speech...even speech that bothers me or speech that I find horrible. Yes, I will support a persons right to offend me with that speech.

I also am 100% "against" left and right cancel culture for the words they each say. Im not affraid to be offended by words i disagree with. Its part of life.

I hope this new board will be fair with Disney in the future....I suspect they will be fair as this begins to play out in time. Yes....Disney will ALSO need to be fair with them too!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m amazed the legislature is still playing along, I hate that politicians ride coattails but I can understand the logic behind it, there doesn’t seem to be any coattails left at this point though, his numbers have cratered, he’s being abandoned by mega donors… makes me wonder why the legislature is still playing along.

He has other tools he has shown a willingness to lose. Line item budget vetos, firing people, etc.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It was always just talk and complaining. Neither party had the gutts to actually take action. This one did and so did the Florida Legislators. Quite amazing that they actually had courage to go against the mouse.

Honestly, if I were a legislator, even if I thought that doing this was right...I would probably too affraid of the company & fan retrubution.

Are you saying OPPAGA report is a lie? Why won’t you provide evidence? Why do you keep randomly changing your position?

 

[Lilofan]

Is it possible that the majority of Legislators are not supporting this because they "pressured" into it...but because the sincerely AGREE with this district change?

We act like DeSantis forced these people to do it. I suspect this is not the case and they "wanted" to do this. Its easy to blame DeSantis as a sole "king"...but the legislators seemed to be on board with the concept.

It was easy....if a company doesnt donate to a party...you lose the "loyalty" you once paid for.

You have good points however if the media finds out which they usually will if Mr or Ms, elected official agrees with DeSantis perhaps that's the type of coverage the official doesn't want to answer questions to in front of the camera or protesters confronting that official.