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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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May Princess Lilibet have as long a life as her great granny.
RamblinWreck
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What news has there been that looks bad?
All of this doomsday, WWIII talk is all just an over reaction. No...the sky is NOT falling. Disney will learn to live under the Central Florida Tourism Oversight (whatever it's new name is).....just like the way Disneyland has learned to live with the city of Anaheim.
Yes....Disney gets REALL angry and upset when Anaheim tells them "no!". Yes...Disney gets furious when the sate of California tells them "no!" too. But, Disney eventually swallows their pride and learns how to be plenty profitable in the face of public oversight.
Disney has to deal with "no" in every place they have operations. France, China, Hong Kong, Florida, Japan and California. Yes...Disney hates to hear the word "no!" and they always gasp "how dare you tell us that?"
In Florida....Disney will be FINE! They will just ADAPT public oversight the same way they do everywhere else.
Yes....Disney gets REALL angry and upset when Anaheim tells them "no!". Yes...Disney gets furious when the sate of California tells them "no!" too. But, Disney eventually swallows their pride and learns how to be plenty profitable in the face of public oversight.
Disney has to deal with "no" in every place they have operations. France, China, Hong Kong, Florida, Japan and California. Yes...Disney hates to hear the word "no!" and they always gasp "how dare you tell us that?"
In Florida....Disney will be FINE! They will just ADAPT public oversight the same way they do everywhere else.
In Florida they have a board that actively acts in bad faith. In the other locations it's nowhere near as bad.
mikejs78
Premium Member
You are pointing to dissents, which aren't considered case law. Again, though, Stevens dissent is geared against corporate *money* expenditures in *elections*. That's very different than making a statement about a bill.. I imagine that must justices who would be OK with legal limitations on Disney *spending* on lobbying against the bill would be opposed to limits on *statements*, which are the purist form of speech imaginable.
Another point of difference in most of the case law is that it has to do with laws on the books that regulate corporate expenditures. Here, we don't have a law on the books that prohibited Disney's statement. There was no FL law that said that Disney couldn't speak out. Everything was done after the fact. And I doubt the conservatives would want to overturn Citizens, as that case is something that is very important to their donor class.
The big question mark for me is still if the justices will want to make the leap to legislative intent. I think the three progressives will - not sure if they can get two of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Gorsuch/Barrett to join them. Of course, by the time this case reaches the court, if it does, it's possible the makeup of the court will have changed.
That's irrelevant because it didn't actually happen.
Disney World is a completely different beast than Disneyland or any other park. The infra needs of Disney World are orders of magnitude higher than DL. Besides, the new board is intent on *punishing* Disney, not just taking oversight.
And regardless of that, no one should be comfortable about the government retaliating against anyone for their constitutionally protected speech, whether or not one agrees with that speech.
JAB
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If it were just about the state changing the regulations for legitimate oversight reasons that applied to everyone, I might agree with you. However, the governor and at least one member of the board have publicly admitted that they targeted Disney and planned to use control of the district as leverage against TWDC to influence what content the company made. It's not about simple government oversight.
mikejs78
Premium Member
Just to add, I think even if the courts uphold the law because of the legislative intent issue, I think they rule in favor of Disney against the governor's and the board's application of the law. There's no question of intent there.
mikejs78
Premium Member
I'm not convinced of even this. I think it's *likely*, but I can also see a scenario where they stick close to Citizens because it's one of their hallmark decisions.
I usually agree with you but Steven's was talking about nonresident Corporations. Disney Parks and Resorts is a resident of Florida and their growth is fundamentally in the interst of Central Florida residents. I strongly believe he would have sided with Disney in this case. They were doing and speaking what their cast members wanted and they all 70,000 plus are currently living in Central Florida.
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Surferboy567
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Source: Blog Mickey
Honestly, at this point the evidence is pretty damming. I don’t see how Disney loses this.
You have heard the State publically say their intent is to use the Central Fl Tourism Oversight District to dictate what political content Disney makes?
I have not seen or heard that anywhere. RCID for a long time has been viewed by many as a "puppet government" of Disney. For DECADES, RCID has been viewed as a "joke" by many. Yes...c'mon...we have all joked about it since the origin of this web site....long before the Parental Rights Bill ever existed.
Many past legislators..since the 80's have proposed that RCID should not exist the way it did. Yes!...driven by many Democrats too!
Now look how it has changed..
Surferboy567
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“When you lose your way, you’ve got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis said. “So we hope they can get back on. But I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”
DeSantis raises prospect of political interference with Disney content
To appreciate the degree to which Republicans have gone from denouncing to embracing “gangster government,” consider Gov. Ron DeSantis' approach to Disney.
www.msnbc.com
Source: MSNBC
Surferboy567
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I don’t want to give them more clicks on YouTube however I just watched a portion of the interview in which he directly talks about Disney.
He confirms that he has NOT talked to Bob Iger. This seems to line up with Disney’s lawsuit filing.
EDIT: “At the end of the day the party is over for them…When that deal was done, it was done that way because Disney promised to build communities and actually build cities where people could live and work, they never followed though on that promise”
Correct me if I am wrong but was EPCOT publicly known about when Reedy Creek was put into effect? I don’t think so, though I could be wrong.
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RamblinWreck
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I don’t think it has changed.
“A” change to RCID, even though it was for a petty reason, would have most likely had pretty broad support.
It’s unarguable that what was actually done goes well beyond that, in addition to the free speech issue.
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Minthorne
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A rather chilling effect has been achieved by the FL legislature and DeSantis on the speech of Disney.
It’s a story I’d expect in another country, not the USA.
RCID and CFTOD are both puppet governments. The difference is who the puppetmaster is.
Just buy that quote, he seems to be saying just a simple opinion that millions of people think about Disney's political mentality. But that is beside the point. I dont see the district telling Disney "We dont like your new Toy Story 8 movie..so we are not going to give you permits to build your new Toy Story ride at Animal Kingdom" Nah....I dont see that happening. (I mean...the current Disney "might" want to build a future Toy Story ride at AK...I just dont see the district fighting that because of movie messages)“When you lose your way, you’ve got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis said. “So we hope they can get back on. But I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”
DeSantis raises prospect of political interference with Disney content
To appreciate the degree to which Republicans have gone from denouncing to embracing “gangster government,” consider Gov. Ron DeSantis' approach to Disney.
Source: MSNBC
Again...this RCID "problem" has been a known issue and a complaint by BOTH Democrats abd Republicans for DECADES. This is just the first time anybody actually decided to pull the trigger on it.
RCID was Disney's "Vatican" for decades...and this was something that everybody (except Disney) hated for a long time.
You're aware that the district still exists right, it just has a different name and board members. Everything else is the same.
Right until they realized that the dissolution would result in a massive tax hike for Orange and Osceola County residents.
Surferboy567
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They threatened to build a state prison (which obviously is outlandish and won’t happen) I don’t think anything is off the table. Including the situation you described above.
Actually, I can see that exact situation playing out.