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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Rhinocerous
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I know this was 15 pages ago, but this thread moves fast.
Not 100% on this, but I believe Walt’s intention for original EPCoT was that residents would be given housing with the expectation that their home would be regularly updated with emerging technology and whatever else the “experimental prototype community” needed. They would be required to hold productive jobs within EPCoT for the duration of their residency. At such time as they were no longer employed there, they would have to leave.
Seems like a similar arrangement to the current residents of the District writ large as a company town. (I can’t see how that would possibly have been tenable long-term, but I believe that was Walt’s vision.)
Rich Brownn
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It wouldn't have been tenable, as the imagineers quickly figured out... as one said "you cannot experiment with people's lives." Its was a very very blue sky idea when Walt died (the famous painting was literally done in 1 day to serve as part of props for the film) and not much practical thought had gone into it at the time.
Sirwalterraleigh
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He would have bankrupted them had they ever started this…
Parliament/Phillip Morris probably saved Disney from that
truthfulchat
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Paying taxes to yourself isn't paying taxes. The old Reedy Creek District meant Disney kept the tax money they paid.
StaceyH_SD
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And what did those taxes do? Paid for municipal services (roads, electricty, waste management, EMS, etc). In addition, Disney pays county property taxes to Orange and Osceola and whatever business taxes they’re required to pay to the state.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Not in the slightest bit…it means they built stuff and paid to maintain it. They just got to finance it with public bonds. Like any other municipality in the country
That’s the “special treatment”
It wasn’t given out to stockholders
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peter11435
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The didn’t only pay taxes to Reedy Creek. They paid all required local taxes to the respective local governments just like any other landowner. These taxes were not to themselves.
They also paid taxes to RCID in addition to those taxes. So they paid MORE taxes than any other landowner. And those taxes to RCID were used to fund municipal infrastructure and services. The money did not go back to Disney. It went to fund infrastructure and services that would have otherwise been the responsibility of the local governments and funded from their general tax funds.
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peter11435
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You registered here with the name truthfulchat and posted one message that is factually inaccurate. Not very truthful are you.
The assessment paid for roads, fire, ambulance, waste, water, garbage. Services the county would have to provide. ALL of us property owners would pay through our property taxes. I consider that a win for everyone.
Anyone who has ever driven on Disney property knows the taxes pay for great roads and infrastructure. If it were not for the RCID and extremely high quality of services they provide and Disney wants there would be no Disney bubble. The current board appointed by DeSantis is trying to change that and end the bubble. They want the FDOT to take over the internal roads, the FDOA to take over ride inspections and in case you missed it, they want the right to approve all aspects of new rides. They will destroy the bubble and intact all of WDW. Their job if they did it right is to continue the work RCID did and improve WDW not bring it down to.Fun Spot quality. Their job is just infrastructure and that is why the RCID was created. There was no other organization in Florida that could have done what Disney did in the 1960's.
Agree. Trying driving around Colonial Drive.
Sirwalterraleigh
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The benefit of this court case is Disney is gonna walk in with a stack of taxes generated/paid that piles up to the ceiling…debunking the main new faux news blip for the stupids: that they are “cheating the people”…
It’s just silly not to be completely aware of how much money has flowed into Florida simply because walt and Roy picked a swamp.
Now Disney doesn’t want to Divulge how much money they’ve made/generated…at all…
But they will. It will blow that nonsense out of the water faster than a cgi ship in pirates
It’s just silly not to be completely aware of how much money has flowed into Florida simply because walt and Roy picked a swamp.
Now Disney doesn’t want to Divulge how much money they’ve made/generated…at all…
But they will. It will blow that nonsense out of the water faster than a cgi ship in pirates
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Yet that money was used to pay for public services within the district, while still paying tax to Orange and Osceola Counties.
Hey Disney, thanks for saving Orange and Osceola taxpayers form having to subsidize your property.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Heppenheimer
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One of the things that I really like about this website is that while people will debate a controversial opinions in good faith (like mine, Horizons wasn't that great!), they immediately call out BS.
Indeed, this.
The local counties didn't provide the usual infrastructure services to WDW. THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!
But, that's the deal. WDW pays taxes to the counties and doesn't get county services. And so, WDW is subsidizing the counties and all the county residents and business (including competing theme parks).
In 2022, Disney paid $1.1 Billion in local and state taxes.
And I haven't even mentioned RCID yet.
WDW then pays EXTRA TAX to the RCID so that the RCID can provide the county infrastructure and services that the local counties aren't providing.
Yes it's a benefit to have the roads built where and when you want them, but WDW is PAYING EXTRA for that. Right now, Universal is PAYING EXTRA to the county to have new roads to Epic Universe with their specifications (e.g., dedicated bus lanes for their internal transportation).
I'm sure @truthfulchat, that if you threw a few extra hundred million dollars to your county above your regular tax fees, they'd be happy to provide custom services for you, too.
Anyway, the claim that Disney gets a "tax break" buy paying taxes to themselves as if that is the only taxes they pay is a lie. A pernicious lie that those who know better still make because they don't care about having a truthful chat.
Also, no one has mentioned that Disney pays on top of that for the OCSO deputies on their property, plus any OCSO and FHP patrols on their property.
GoofGoof
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Did you read the article @Chi84 posted that I replied to? This was in the article:
“I think he’s in trouble,” said Ron Gidwitz, a major GOP fundraiserwho served as the National Republican Senatorial Committee’s finance chair and was a Trump-era ambassador but is undecided for 2024. “There’s a lot of people that are concerned about DeSantis — and Trump for that matter. They’d like to have an alternative to Trump that can win. But is DeSantis the person?”
“Some of the stuff that he’s been doing recently doesn’t sit all that terribly well with donors,” he said, adding, “This craziness with Walt Disney — I mean, how do you get into a fight with Mickey Mouse?”
If you Google it you will probably see some more articles discussing it. It’s not just the conflict with Disney alone, but it’s a contributing factor.
In the last few months DeSantis‘s polling for the primary has dropped. That drop directly corresponds with his drop in polling for the general election. Several months ago DeSantis was polling ahead of Biden in a one on one matchup, that has flipped now. I’m not suggesting that’s only related to the Disney conflict. It’s a combination of that and other moves to impress the MAGA base. As he moves further right he’s less and less likely to win in the general. People are seeing that and bailing on him. As the guy quoted above says, there are a lot of people that just want a guy who can win. They had great hopes that could be DeSantis. Not anymore. This Disney conflict certainly contributes to that.
GoofGoof
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